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I played a 20000 point apoc game last night, and I had no superheavies. The ork player on the other team had 4 stompas with big meks and all sorts of ridiculous stuff... That is when I realized that I was undergunned.

How did you come to the same conclusion, and in what ways did you remedy the situation?

Nobody plays apoc anymore?

I've never played in a 20,000 point game before - personally I would feel left out if I didn't have some big formation or superheavy to deal with a game that size.

At the first second.

Why resist to expand?

I have (in total) about 7000pts
Biggest game i played was 12000pts I had a quarter share of the army (3000pts)
No superhvys or formations on my 3000pts
But i do own Masters of the chapter (About 1500pts for 10 models)
And a thunderbolt varriant.
I have used both but its up to personal taste whether to use forrmations and what-not

When? As soon as I saw they were available. New stuff is cool!

Brother SRM wrote:I've never played in a 20,000 point game before - personally I would feel left out if I didn't have some big formation or superheavy to deal with a game that size.

I didn't feel that way at first, because I had blood angels, until the ork player sat down all those stompas. And then the imperial player that was "SUPPOSED" to be allied with me plopped down two baneblade-type tanks. The chaos player and I both had 5000 points of regular units, and the game quickly degenerated into a 4-way brawl when the imperial guard player blasted a unit of my bikes with a basilisk barrage. There were some really funny moments... like when my Death Company and the chaos player's Plague Marines were stuck into a CC, and the Ork player blasted the whole group with a kill-kannon from a stompa, totally annihilating mostly plague marines due to the scatter.

Really, I could have done fine, but being my first huge 4-way battle I deployed poorly. We were using a huge playing surface as well, and that didn't help any to my slower footslogging troops (since we only made it to turn 3 everything had to be fast).

First game I reallized what Apocalypse was about was some years ago, when I suddenly played against a handfull of IG tanks. Back then, I had only played normal games without the heavy tank spam. After that, I understood that vehicles was the way to go. After GW made the plastic Baneblade, I understood I needed heavier stuff, so I got Eldar Scorpion, which is excellent.

I have never played Apoc, but it sounds like something that is interesting but very demanding. I do own a shadowsword. but I just got that because it looked really really cool. But when the time does come Ill be ready (hopefully)

For Apoc, I like to play Guard for Demolishers, Russes, & Basilisks & Hellhounds. Plus they can take multiple Eversor Assassins.

It's very, very good stuff, even without the Baneblades.

And that Infantry Platoon Formation is solid as a rock.

I like my Battle Companies for my SMurfs but I wll always love my Line Breaker Squadrons. The game when I blasted 2 lines through an imperial city straight towrds the objectives was classic.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:I played a 20000 point apoc game last night, and I had no superheavies. The ork player on the other team had 4 stompas with big meks and all sorts of ridiculous stuff... That is when I realized that I was undergunned.

How did you come to the same conclusion, and in what ways did you remedy the situation?

We dont play Apoc size games much because the players usually field horde type army lists.
I guess so our mentality of oh god no table space even for 2250 is always in our head thus anything bigger is a turn off.

When we did try bigger games , it took way too long and most of us dont want the hassle of continuing off another day -_-

last appoc game i played was 10k points. 4 Baneblade varients on my team, no opposing and we lost.

Super heavys are a good way of reducing clutter on the board.

just running lots of tanks can make it sutibly awsome and still managable.

most appoc formations don't involve super heavys.

Super heavys aren't required, they make it different then a "we will just play a 10,000 game with no FOC" type of thing.


I just built a warhound and can't wait for the next game. i expect it to die a horrible death and take many things with it.

Super heavys don't win the game on their own. it is an objective mission(though anyone can score) and their primary goal is to allow you to hold objectives.


there is not "NEED" super heavys and formations, but they do make it more then just a giant game of 40k.

I once played in a 10,000 point game it was 5000 points perside. i took an imperial guard shadowsword and unfortunatly it didnt last longer than 2 turns, thanks o a squad of broadsides, in the turns it did stay on the table it caused absolutly zero damage lol. i lost the game and my opponents didnt use any formations or super heavies

Grey Templar wrote:

Super heavys aren't required, they make it different then a "we will just play a 10,000 game with no FOC" type of thing.

Yep and thats just what one player did. He collects IG and he brought 10 bailisk.

After blowing up anything in range near his table he proceeded on shooting other tables lol...

The last Apoc Game I was in, I was Orks at 10,000 points. I took six stompas (Big mek variant with lifta-droppa) and 4 battle fortresses, and a KFF Mek to go in each vehicle. Bwah ha ha ha ha...

The game before that was 3,000 points per team and I took no superheavies, just heavy supports - If I remember correctly, I took 15 broadsides in individual units with 2x shield drones each, some hammerheads...and that was about it.

For me, it's about cool models. I like each army I build to have some cool centerpiece models. The more into an army I get, the more centerpieces I get. I bought my great gargant with no expectation of ever using it in a game, simply because it is the epitome of orky-goodness.