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As I continue to review the new codex, it seems to be that blood angels are just space marines+ . You lose some HQ options, but have almost every other option in the space marine book with the added blood angels options. I realize there is something to be said for fluff and your armies paint and past use, but as a person sitting here with assembled and unpainted space marines it seems like switching to blood angels is a no brainer. What do you guys think?

I personally like bike armies and vanilla SM can do it better than BE. (50 bikes & 6 dual autocannon dreads, yes please!) Also Vanilla SM is a lot more customizable IMO.

Also I refuse to hop on the new codex bandwagon, Vanilla SM will be updated much more regularly than BA, I don't want to play golden sparkling nipple-marines.

Edit:
The same points you bring up were said about SW back when they came out

I agree, and my temptation is not fueled by flavor of the month fervor, but more from the fact that I am a new 40k player. I came from fantasy and had a hard time picking an army because I played and loved vampire counts. Then I read the blood angels lore, and it feels like the closest thing. It sure isn't the necrons. So for flavor wise, I am very tempted to head back to the most vampirish units 40k has to offer.

As stated in other places there is other reasons to play SM over BA.

1. Bikes as troops
2. Twin-linked Melta's and famers
3. Thunderfire cannon
4. Iron Clad Dreds
5. Cheaper Transports

This is not an all inclusive list by any means.

Personally I play BA's but I have only played BA's since 3rd. I have never played Vanilla marines, and even when we had the bad PDF codex I played through.

A. Blood Angels fluff is terrible
B. There are a lot of options, but it all boils down to Sanguinity Priest x amount of squads, Mephiston, sprinkled with Dreadnoughts
C. I'll take my 'weaker' codex that has multiple different ways to play. Not just running at people by either using jumpacks or fast Rhinos/Razorbacks

Most 40k armies are just running at the other player, BA are just another one of them.

i am going to start a BA army, not because i like the fluff(and while the codex is bad, the basic fluff is cool) but because i love assault marines.

Assault marines, fast vindicators, and jump pack dreadnoughts are the temptation.

well, I will never buy any bikes because I find them really silly personally. It just does not fit my style. So I wouldn't be losing much there.

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kaptaink wrote:A. Blood Angels fluff is terrible
B. There are a lot of options, but it all boils down to Sanguinity Priest x amount of squads, Mephiston, sprinkled with Dreadnoughts
C. I'll take my 'weaker' codex that has multiple different ways to play. Not just running at people by either using jumpacks or fast Rhinos/Razorbacks

Most 40k armies are just running at the other player, BA are just another one of them.

A. I disagree.
B. I have yet to take a special character. Too costly, points wise.
C. You've got me there.

Do not play Blood Angels if you are not prepared to answer the following question-

So, how long did it take you to do his nipples? They look really hard.

Basically, it comes down to what you want out of an army. If you want vampires and vampire wannabes or dig that whole everyone's going crazy so we might as well die fighting mystique, then go for it. If you want a booze swilling pack of gloryhounds who are also fun at parties, go space wolves. If for some reason you just want to use marines of various colors to fight your enemies, go vanilla. Marines and Marine equivalents (or MEQ) are a dime a dozen. You can field them with any codex you like, you're getting the same basic experience. Which codex you use just alters the flavor a bit. Think of it like Coke, Cherry Coke, and Coke with Lime.

The reason not to play Blood Angels is to avoid all the wailing about being overpowered and broken. It's all you will hear from your fellows and see on the net. Best to wait until the next overpowered, broken codex comes out so they'll be moaning about something else and you won't get any grief for playing the Angels.

the nipples on a dreadnought are 6" long, and made of razor sharp adamantite. Many a traitor guardsman has been impaled upon them. They were going to give the furiosos an extra attack from their power-nipples, but it was removed just before the release of the codex, because it was deemed too gay for words. However, the legend lives on.

If I had an unpainted army, I might consider the BA codex if it wasn't for the fact that the Space Puppies codex is just a so much better fit to my mentality.

Honersstodnt wrote:the nipples on a dreadnought are 6" long, and made of razor sharp adamantite. Many a traitor guardsman has been impaled upon them. They were going to give the furiosos an extra attack from their power-nipples, but it was removed just before the release of the codex, because it was deemed too gay for words. However, the legend lives on.

An epic tale indeed

Scoring Bikes and Terminators

Green Marines are the Best Marines!!

*That includes salamanders*

Nah

Jump ye not on the scarlet bandwagon!
Thou shalt have thy nipples pulled by other players

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Nah

Jump ye not on the scarlet bandwagon!
Thou shalt have thy nipples pulled by other players

This is going in my Signature good sir!

Because they're boring

Scoring Bikes and Terminators

Green Marines are the Best Marines!!

*That includes salamanders*

Lest you forget the best of all...scoring land speeders!

Stuff Marines can do BA can't

Thunderfire Cannon
Ironclad Dread
Master of the forge
Marneus Calgar
Vulcan
Shrike
Lysander
Tigurius
Cassius
Kosharro Khan
Pedro Kantor + scoring sternguard
The improves tanks guy
Telion
Not subject to blood rage
different psychic powers
all bike army
cheaper TH/SS terminators
cheaper but slower transports
cheaper but slower mainline battletanks


There you go. If there is nothing there that appeals to you then go start BA. If any of that appeals to you then there is your reason to play Marines. That and fluff, colour schemes, etc.

They're heretics!

"Oh you're playing Blood Angels? Let me get my nipple twister list."

Volkov wrote:
Lest you forget the best of all...scoring land speeders!

Vehicles are never scoring as per the BGB & IIRC sammael only makes them troops. He can't make them scoring.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

Volkov wrote:
Lest you forget the best of all...scoring land speeders!

Vehicles are never scoring as per the BGB & IIRC sammael only makes them troops. He can't make them scoring.

Actually, our codex says they Scoring, which means they are. Codex specifics trump Rule Book.

Pg 27 of Dark Angels Codex 4th Edition:

Ravenwing bike squadrons at full strength may fight either as a single unit of six bikes of break down into two three-man Combat Squads.

Much like Combat squads, the squadron's Attack Bike and Land Speeder are purchased together with the squadron and then deployed at the same time as the squadron's bikes, but from then on they always operate as completely independent scoring units of one model.

There is nothing in the errata or FAQ for the Dark Angels Codex that changes this.

Ah ok. I just gave my pdf a quick once over & didn't see them listed as scoring. I'll take your word though

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Ah ok. I just gave my pdf a quick once over & didn't see them listed as scoring. I'll take your word though

Probably because they aren't normally?

From the wording, you could take it that they are ALWAYS scoring when they combat squad

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Stuff Marines can do BA can't

Thunderfire Cannon
Ironclad Dread
Master of the forge
Marneus Calgar
Vulcan
Shrike
Lysander
Tigurius
Cassius
Kosharro Khan
Pedro Kantor + scoring sternguard
The improves tanks guy
Telion
Not subject to blood rage
different psychic powers
all bike army
cheaper TH/SS terminators
cheaper but slower transports
cheaper but slower mainline battletanks


There you go. If there is nothing there that appeals to you then go start BA. If any of that appeals to you then there is your reason to play Marines. That and fluff, colour schemes, etc.

Kind of a waste of time, since you could have just said HQs, but I think you just wanted to have a bigger list.

I am going to go with blood angels, regardless of current forum hate (which will pass when the next codex comes out) because I like the look and flavor of them the best. I also have enough points and units to play either blood angels or vanilla on the same paint scheme. The only thing I am selling is calgar, which is fine since it was a worthless purchase anyway. Other than that I will still have all of the same things, and just a couple more boxes of blood angels stuff.

I love my blood angels army. From the golden nipply man-perfection that is the sanguinary guard, to the healing and tender hand of the sanguinary priests, to the bravery of flaming assault marines, no army could be better. When a group of strong men rush you, to take your objective, you know you are playing blood angels. When my flaming assault marines spray you down with righteous promethium thats blood angels. And when my predator flank attacks you, to fire its assault cannon at your precious rear armor, you know its blood angels. Nothing represents what I want more in a man, I mean army, then the blood angels. From their beautiful chiseled perfection to their willingness to show emotion, they are the definition of manfection. Now if youll excuse me, I have a date with my right hand.

Gitzbitah wrote:
So, how long did it take you to do his nipples? They look really hard.

Space is cold.

The BA fluff really makes me cringe. It's the worst I've seen in a codex. And the army list looks a bit like a BA player's wishlist.

BA are fun, there are differences with them compaired to say SW's or DA or standard space marines, but remember that marine army is just a quick codex change away from making it a different army altogether.