Any reason NOT to play blood angels?

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**bravelybravesirrobin**

Nightsbane wrote:
bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Stuff Marines can do BA can't

Thunderfire Cannon
Ironclad Dread
Master of the forge
Marneus Calgar
Vulcan
Shrike
Lysander
Tigurius
Cassius
Kosharro Khan
Pedro Kantor + scoring sternguard
The improves tanks guy
Telion
Not subject to blood rage
different psychic powers
all bike army
cheaper TH/SS terminators
cheaper but slower transports
cheaper but slower mainline battletanks

There you go. If there is nothing there that appeals to you then go start BA. If any of that appeals to you then there is your reason to play Marines. That and fluff, colour schemes, etc.

Kind of a waste of time, since you could have just said HQs, but I think you just wanted to have a bigger list.

I am going to go with blood angels, regardless of current forum hate (which will pass when the next codex comes out) because I like the look and flavor of them the best. I also have enough points and units to play either blood angels or vanilla on the same paint scheme. The only thing I am selling is calgar, which is fine since it was a worthless purchase anyway. Other than that I will still have all of the same things, and just a couple more boxes of blood angels stuff.

Perhaps I could have said HQ's but that would shortchange the army a fair bit.

Want an entirely outflanking army? You need codex space marines.

Want an entirely infiltrating army? (or did shrike give scout? can't remember off the top of my head) codex space marines

twin linked flamers, melta weapons and thunder hammers? Not in BA.

Scoring stubborn sternguard, not in BA.

The HQ's really open up different tactics in the vanilla dex that go beyond mere unit composition.

**CrazyThang**

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I love my blood angels army. From the golden nipply man-perfection that is the sanguinary guard, to the healing and tender hand of the sanguinary priests, to the bravery of flaming assault marines, no army could be better. When a group of strong men rush you, to take your objective, you know you are playing blood angels. When my flaming assault marines spray you down with righteous promethium thats blood angels. And when my predator flank attacks you, to fire its assault cannon at your precious rear armor, you know its blood angels. Nothing represents what I want more in a man, I mean army, then the blood angels. From their beautiful chiseled perfection to their willingness to show emotion, they are the definition of manfection. Now if youll excuse me, I have a date with my right hand.

Epic win.

As someone else mentioned, I'll keep my termies as troops and fearless... almost everything.

**I grappled the shoggoth**

Bella swan makes me so jealous. She actually gets to live out her vampire fantasy, I just have to sit here and wait for sanguinor to fly me away

**CT GAMER**

Grey Templar wrote:i am going to start a BA army, not because i like the fluff but because i love assault marines.

Assault marines, fast vindicators, and jump pack dreadnoughts are the temptation.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

**Nightsbane**

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:
Nightsbane wrote:
bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Stuff Marines can do BA can't

Thunderfire Cannon
Ironclad Dread
Master of the forge
Marneus Calgar
Vulcan
Shrike
Lysander
Tigurius
Cassius
Kosharro Khan
Pedro Kantor + scoring sternguard
The improves tanks guy
Telion
Not subject to blood rage
different psychic powers
all bike army
cheaper TH/SS terminators
cheaper but slower transports
cheaper but slower mainline battletanks

There you go. If there is nothing there that appeals to you then go start BA. If any of that appeals to you then there is your reason to play Marines. That and fluff, colour schemes, etc.

Kind of a waste of time, since you could have just said HQs, but I think you just wanted to have a bigger list.

I am going to go with blood angels, regardless of current forum hate (which will pass when the next codex comes out) because I like the look and flavor of them the best. I also have enough points and units to play either blood angels or vanilla on the same paint scheme. The only thing I am selling is calgar, which is fine since it was a worthless purchase anyway. Other than that I will still have all of the same things, and just a couple more boxes of blood angels stuff.

Perhaps I could have said HQ's but that would shortchange the army a fair bit.

Want an entirely outflanking army? You need codex space marines.

Want an entirely infiltrating army? (or did shrike give scout? can't remember off the top of my head) codex space marines

twin linked flamers, melta weapons and thunder hammers? Not in BA.

Scoring stubborn sternguard, not in BA.

The HQ's really open up different tactics in the vanilla dex that go beyond mere unit composition.

Yes, but you could list many differences made with blood angels HQ's as well.

Also you can have TH/SS Termies just like vanilla. That isn't removed from BA

**reds8n**

I love the Dakka posting rules !

**nosferatu1001**

Shrike gives everything with CT Fleet, and allows one unit to Outflank [RAW] or Infiltrate [INAT / other rules changes]

BA are a fun army that isnt broken or overpowered, as they pay for everything - and have some gorgeous models. They're a one trick-ish pony, marines running at you, but whats wrong with that?

**Orky-Kowboy**

BA have a play style that's unlike any other chapter, but:

* LOTS of people are jumping on their bandwagon right now, and
* They don't outclass vanilla marines at all.

Red's a nice colour though.

**UltraPrime**

Orky-Kowboy wrote:BA have a play style that's unlike any other chapter, but:

* LOTS of people are jumping on their bandwagon right now, and
* They don't outclass vanilla marines at all.

Red's a nice colour though.

No reason not to play them, then. Just because lots of people want to use them, no reason not to.

And, please, quit the homosexual jokes. It's not funny, not clever, and only embarasses you.

**reds8n**

UltraPrime wrote:

And, please, quit the homosexual jokes. It's not funny, not clever, and only embarasses you.

Very well timed and quite correct.

**Orky-Kowboy**

UltraPrime wrote: And, please, quit the homosexual jokes. It's not funny, not clever, and only embarasses you.

I wasn't making a 'homosexual joke'. Red IS a nice colour. It looks attractive on the tabletop.

**UltraPrime**

Orky-Kowboy wrote:
UltraPrime wrote: And, please, quit the homosexual jokes. It's not funny, not clever, and only embarasses you.

I wasn't making a 'homosexual joke'. Red IS a nice colour. It looks attractive on the tabletop. What the f*** is your problem?

Sorry, that wasn't aimed at you. Was aimed at a now-deleted post. I can see how the misunderstanding was made, so no hard feelings?

**Orky-Kowboy**

Oh, sorry, saw the poster you were refering to. Sorry, overreacted there.

**Arschbombe**

CT GAMER wrote:
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

You do that quite a lot. You should probably go see a doctor.

**Vepr**

The reason to not play BA is because Tyranids are so much better than BA and SW according to everyone that does not play Tyranids.

**Nightsbane**

Vepr wrote:The reason to not play BA is because Tyranids are so much better than BA and SW according to everyone that does not play Tyranids.

I think that pretty much nails it

**I grappled the shoggoth**

Vepr wrote:The reason to not play BA is because Tyranids are so much better than BA and SW according to everyone that does not play Tyranids.

wut

**nosferatu1001**

Is that some nid players complaining that their imbalanced netbuild got screwed? Lots of sympathy there. The nid codex is strong, it just requires some more thought to play than it did previously - it is the same idea as eldar, just flipped on its head.

There are few reasons not to play BA, as long as you l ike what they are - an in your face marine army, an all out attack force as opposed to the more steady paced blue marine army.

**Vepr**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Is that some nid players complaining that their imbalanced netbuild got screwed? Lots of sympathy there. The nid codex is strong, it just requires some more thought to play than it did previously - it is the same idea as eldar, just flipped on its head.

There are few reasons not to play BA, as long as you l ike what they are - an in your face marine army, an all out attack force as opposed to the more steady paced blue marine army.

Exactly the reason to not play BA. Nids are more powerful by far and easier to play. If you are looking for a challenge play SW or IG.

**Velour_Fog**

I've been a blood angels guy since I got the 2nd edition boxed set. Not like these new kids. Why can't GW "update" somebody else and leave us alone?

And if I was in charge there wouldn't be any bad fluff, or nipples in any way, shape or form.

**Grim Smasha**

Here's a reason to play BA. . .You actually do something!

Tadaaaaa!

As opposed to the countless games that are decided from across the map, hiding in cover and shooting around rocks and hills. Lame. My BA never stop moving. I'm constantly using guerrilla tactics, moving in and breaking something and then running away when something bigger tries to eat me.

I'd rather be deep striking and outflanking all game then coming onto the board just to sit and fire for 3 1/2 hours. My army has dakka, smasha, and blasta and I loves it

So, stop hating and get over it.

**Terminus**

Vepr wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:Is that some nid players complaining that their imbalanced netbuild got screwed? Lots of sympathy there. The nid codex is strong, it just requires some more thought to play than it did previously - it is the same idea as eldar, just flipped on its head.

There are few reasons not to play BA, as long as you l ike what they are - an in your face marine army, an all out attack force as opposed to the more steady paced blue marine army.

Exactly the reason to not play BA. Nids are more powerful by far and easier to play. If you are looking for a challenge play SW or IG.

Your impotent nerd-rage is reaching new heights of idiocy. No one ever said Tyranids were better than Space Wolves or Imperial Guard, they just disagree when someone loses 2 or 3 games with their 4th edition netlist, and then decry the codex as inflexible, weak and generally useless.

**Volkov**

One more reason to play vanilla...you can still take artificer armour as an upgrade

**Nightsbane**

Volkov wrote:One more reason to play vanilla...you can still take artificer armour as an upgrade

Or just enjoy it on every unit without extra cost with BA (many choices have this)

**Vepr**

Terminus wrote:
Vepr wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:Is that some nid players complaining that their imbalanced netbuild got screwed? Lots of sympathy there. The nid codex is strong, it just requires some more thought to play than it did previously - it is the same idea as eldar, just flipped on its head.

There are few reasons not to play BA, as long as you l ike what they are - an in your face marine army, an all out attack force as opposed to the more steady paced blue marine army.

Exactly the reason to not play BA. Nids are more powerful by far and easier to play. If you are looking for a challenge play SW or IG.

Your impotent nerd-rage is reaching new heights of idiocy. No one ever said Tyranids were better than Space Wolves or Imperial Guard, they just disagree when someone loses 2 or 3 games with their 4th edition netlist, and then decry the codex as inflexible, weak and generally useless.

What? I am just agreeing with you guys! All the Tyranid players presenting their concerns and problems with the codex are just wrong no matter what their level of experience. Anyone that has issues with the new nid dex was either a nidzilla player or they are a noob that just does not understand the proper use of words like tactics, intricacies, and "synergy". I am going to have to agree with the less fortunate followers of IG and SW when they say stfu and learn to play.

Back on topic BA seem like a really fun army to play and they can be fun to play against. There are some really interesting builds and some crazy stuff to try for fun like very heavy dread lists etc. Other than Meph being a bit of a pain I have had fun playing against BA armies so far.

**I grappled the shoggoth**

At least my slowed troll post was found amusing by one person.

**Terminus**

Valhallan42nd wrote:
kaptaink wrote:A. Blood Angels fluff is terrible

A. I disagree.

Then you haven't read it. Seriously, while I'm all for people making their own decisions about fluff, in this case you're certifiably, undeniably wrong. Maybe in the past their fluff was mostly awesome with just a dash of lame (the whole Pretty Marines thing they have going on):

But now that Matt Ward has dipped his, erm, let's say pen, to paper and added his brand of embellishment, they are even worse than the Ultramarines (who were also pretty awesome before he arrived). Awful, just awful.

**Nightsbane**

I like the fluff, part of the reason I want to play the army. As I said though, I was a vampire counts player, and now their is finally something comparable lore wise to play.

**Vepr**

I have to admit after the fluff in the SW codex with Canis WolfWolf riding his wolf Wolfie and Tyranids getting a usb downloaded super tyrant that helps them win a few battles before they lose every war fricking war and Blood Angels using blood fists which is... a bloody blood fist... or something and Mephiston lord of Gouda... whoops I meant BLOOD Gouda... I am little bit afraid of what we are going to see in the next codex.

**Rashim**

I am the fluff master at my FLGS, and I have to say that the fluff in the BA Codex is horrendous...