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2010/05/11 18:56:32
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
FAA says it's working on approval that would allow the flights.
By Tim Eaton
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Updated: 11:09 a.m. Tuesday, May 11, 2010
Published: 9:00 p.m. Monday, May 10, 2010
After years of political pressure from Texas politicians, U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar said Monday that he expects the federal government to deliver unmanned aircraft to watch over the border with Mexico by this fall.
Cuellar, a Democrat from Laredo, said he has had discussions with top officials from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection's office of air and marine operations, and they agreed to the timetable, subject to Federal Aviation Administration approval to allow the surveillance planes — often referred to in the political vernacular as "Predator drones" — to fly over Texas.
Laura Brown, an FAA spokeswoman, said the administration is "working as quickly as we can on this."
Cuellar said the FAA told him that regulators' main concern has been with Texas' heavy airplane traffic — both private and commercial.
If approved, the unmanned aircraft in Texas would add to the federal government's existing border effort, which includes a handful of other unmanned aircraft, 20,000 Border Patrol agents, about 650 miles of border fence and 41 mobile surveillance systems, according to Customs and Border Protection.
The plane, which is made by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems and officially called a Predator B, is able to spot illegal border activity and send images in real time to border officials.
At that point, Border Patrol agents could be dispatched, according to Customs and Border Protection.
Cuellar — along with Sens. John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison and Gov. Rick Perry — has been trying to bring the unmanned aircraft to Texas for years.
Cornyn and Perry, both Republicans, have been among the most vocal critics of the regulators' pace.
"Washington needs to quit fiddling while the border region of America burns," said Perry, who has been calling for Predators since 2005.
Also last week, Cornyn said that the FAA's pace "borders on foot-dragging."
Cuellar has refrained from using harsh words directed at the FAA.
Instead, he invited FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt and Alan Bersin, the commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, to his office on May 20 to make sure an agreement can be reached.
"My interest in this is to get this done as quickly as possible," he said.
Cuellar, who leads the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Border, Maritime and Global Counterterrorism, has asked the FAA to give priority to Texas' request.
Cuellar and Customs and Border Protection officials said a home for a Texas-based Predator already has been identified at Naval Air Station-Corpus Christi.
Kimberly Kasitz, a spokeswoman for General Atomics, said one unmanned aircraft costs $10 million to $12 million.
Discussions in Washington have centered on bringing one Predator to Texas to be deployed along the border with Mexico to fight drug trafficking, human smuggling and violent Mexican drug cartels.
The Texas plane is still under construction, Cuellar said. If it is not ready by the time the FAA approves its flight, then one would be borrowed from another location, Cuellar said. He would not say where because of security concerns.
Places with unmanned aircraft systems in the U.S. include Arizona, which has three; North Dakota, which has two; and Florida, with one.
Unmanned aircraft have grown quickly in popularity in the defense and surveillance sectors, said Peter W. Singer, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of "Wired for War: The Robotics Revolution and Conflict in the 21st Century."
Since 2003, the military has acquired about 7,000 unmanned aircraft that are flying surveillance and combat missions in overseas wars, Singer said, and it happened "in a bureaucratic blink of an eye."
And even today, each branch of the military remains eager to obtain more.
"Basically, the Air Force is buying them as fast as they can," Singer said.
Meanwhile, Customs and Border Protection has said it intends to increase unmanned aircraft systems across the country this year, and it expects a complete network of the unmanned planes all along the border by 2015.
Officials boasted about the Predators' effectiveness in a fact sheet published in February 2009. They reported that Predator B planes have flown more than 1,500 hours and contributed to the seizure of more than 15,000 pounds of marijuana and the apprehension of more than 4,000 undocumented people.
But more can be accomplished with the unmanned aircraft, Cuellar said Monday.
Discussions already have taken place about turning the Predator's high-resolution cameras, which Cuellar said could read a label on a bottle of water from 19,000 feet, on to Mexico to track movements of drug cartels.
But there are still a lot of sovereignty issues, Cuellar added, so any advancement of the idea would be up to Mexican government officials.
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2010/05/11 18:59:57
Subject: Re:Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
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2010/05/11 19:10:34
Subject: Re:Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
George Spiggott wrote:Will it be anything like this?
Why exactly like that, except the accents of course...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2010/05/11 19:19:56
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2010/05/11 19:35:36
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
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2010/05/11 19:56:28
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
dogma wrote:Unmanned drones began flying over the Texas border in 2005.
So it is a blatant political stunt... well, that's cute.
Yes but this time, the drones are owned by the US government, not drug cartels.
(actually the article notes a fewunmanned vehicles are already in use).
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2010/05/11 20:12:12
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Shockingly, the issue of border security is often misunderstood. Usually the misunderstanding is on the part of those who are the most fervent with respect to it. Its almost as if emotion makes people stupid.
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Frazzled wrote:
(actually the article notes a fewunmanned vehicles are already in use).
See what happens when you actually read things?
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2010/05/11 20:18:07
Subject: Re:Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Statesman wrote:Places with unmanned aircraft systems in the U.S. include Arizona, which has three; North Dakota, which has two; and Florida, with one.
Alright, so it looks like these are first Border Patrol drones to hit the Texas border, however the delay seems to be the result of Texas' refusal to allow tests there, as opposed to Federal inequities.
There are now, and have been since 2005, Texas police drones along the border. Look here, and here.
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2010/05/11 20:25:44
Subject: Re:Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Statesman wrote:Places with unmanned aircraft systems in the U.S. include Arizona, which has three; North Dakota, which has two; and Florida, with one.
I don't see anything that indicates use of drones in Texas, prior to this.
Indeed, nothing in there about Texas, just Arizona. Texas is the gateway to New Mexico, not Arizona.
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2010/05/11 20:26:03
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Am I missing something? That seems to agree with what I said. Arizona-Mexico, doesn't assume use within Texas, even though it has likely occurred in some way.
What I do see, is an official asking for drones for Texas.
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2010/05/11 20:30:50
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Am I missing something? That seems to agree with what I said. Arizona-Mexico, doesn't assume use within Texas, even though it has likely occurred in some way.
What I do see, is an official asking for drones for Texas.
Check my edit, I noted that I had made a mistake.
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2010/05/11 20:42:48
Subject: Re:Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Shut up! Silence in Polish!
That scene is my fave part of the film
Hi Frazzled
It exactly like that? - you have Heinkels invading the Texan skies?
Worse, Kates and Vals! Look at this amateur footage of a recent attack on Ellington field. Luckily we had some vintage P40 warhawks laying around to deal with those bandits.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2010/05/11 21:01:35
Subject: Re:Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
garret wrote:Unless it has big guns that shoot the illegals it is useless. like soldiers who are posted at the border with no guns? what are they going to do.
Arrest them?
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2010/05/12 02:14:10
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
garret wrote:Unless it has big guns that shoot the illegals it is useless. like soldiers who are posted at the border with no guns? what are they going to do.
Arrest them?
not if they go right over the fence. it really makes no sense. i doupt even if they had cameras they u.s. wouldnt go right over and try to arrest some one that looks like him.
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2010/05/12 02:15:35
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
garret wrote:Unless it has big guns that shoot the illegals it is useless. like soldiers who are posted at the border with no guns? what are they going to do.
Arrest them?
not if they go right over the fence. it really makes no sense. i doupt even if they had cameras they u.s. wouldnt go right over and try to arrest some one that looks like him.
They're going to jump the fence while the soldiers are trying to arrest them?
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2010/05/12 02:53:04
Subject: Unmanned planes could begin flying over Texas in a matter of months
Perhaps the soldiers are to engage the illegals in a game of Texas Hold 'em. Distract them while the real police arrest them.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”