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How would chaos orks fit in with 40K's fluff?

Possession is a solid point that the Daemon Hunters book brings up in its adversaries section.
Apart from that, you have the Ork Codex speaking of the Orks who went looking for a fight in the Eye of Terror and are now reanimated regularly to duke it out.

Beyond those two points, there is the basic idea that chaos can corrupt anything. So you could have the orks exposed and corrupted on a space hulk inside the warp, through mass possession, through chaos artifacts including weapons, armor, or even just a location, and so forth.

In fact... the question I pose (at the risk of sounding stupid) is why could chaos not corrupt them?
Purity of purpose? they sound ripe for Khorne in their purpose...
they are psychically volatile
they are genetically resilient but so were the primarchs...

I'm paraphrasing from the Rogue Trader book "Waaagh! Da Orks."

The real reason that Orks generally don't succumb to Chaos is because they don't care. The average Ork is so free of angst and stress, that they generally don't see the need to worship da ruinous powers. They fight cuz Orks was made for fightan', and fear not death for they're pretty much immune to disease (and they have myths about how Gork and Mork beat up Nurgle, causing him to belch out so many Snotlings that he shruk into a a Squig, and made for good eatins').

Fluffwise, the main example of Orks worshipping Chaos would be the Ork Stormboyz. Because of their martial pride and love for combat and regimentation, some Stormboy Mobz follow Khorne in his martial aspects.

I see it as possible, but far less likely. Orks have no mental weaknesses to exploit. They aren't human, so can't really be tempted like a human can.

As MagicJuggler said - Orks don't care. Orks take pleasure in being Orks, so I doubt Slaanesh could really find a crack in their psyche to exploit. Nurgle could do it, but it would take a long time and direct contact (I'd imagine) from Nurgle's followers, and a good chance that the followers of Nurgle would be killed by the Orks first. Tzeentch? Orks are very stable from a genetic point of view, and grow constantly, they are equal parts expansionist and stagnant, and Weirdboyz don't use the Warp so much as collective Orky psychic energy, so nothing for Tzeentch to work with.

Khorne would have the easiest time of it, but again, it comes back to Orks not caring. They don't need to call for Khorne for support, because in the mind of an Ork, he needs no support. He's an Ork! What more does he need?

I really see no reason it couldnt happen, but I highly doubt it would happen on a large enough scale so that there would be armies of Chaos Orks.

As much as I would love to see Chaos Orks running around, or indeed, anything Chaosified, I think this is about as sensible as Chaos Tyranids.


Nurgle might have a little bit of leeway, mostly because he is GREEN! Green is BEST!

Actually, Chaos Nids did exist partially. Genestealer cults sometimes would attempt to adopt a Chaos Patron as "assistance" for overthrowing the Imperials. The Chaos Gods sometimes would consent to providing aid.

Ok, I am going to feel really dumb asking about this, but just WHAT ARE genestealer cults?

Its never been established if Orks interact with the Warp the same way humans and eldar do. Orks being a fungus based life form may just be too foreign a form of sentience to succumb. Or, perhaps Gork and Mork are similar to the greater chaos powers and protect thier orkses from coming into the sway of the chaos influences.

Besides- I dont think anyone would want to see Tzeentch orks- and especially Slaaneshi orks! Orkenettes would be like some nightmare sculpt of a multi-breasted blood bowl cheerleader

Mistress of minis wrote:Its never been established if Orks interact with the Warp the same way humans and eldar do. Orks being a fungus based life form may just be too foreign a form of sentience to succumb. Or, perhaps Gork and Mork are similar to the greater chaos powers and protect thier orkses from coming into the sway of the chaos influences.

Besides- I dont think anyone would want to see Tzeentch orks- and especially Slaaneshi orks! Orkenettes would be like some nightmare sculpt of a multi-breasted blood bowl cheerleader

But man, now I soooooooo want to make a Khorne Ork lord. He would be close combat monster and a half.

Mistress of minis wrote:Its never been established if Orks interact with the Warp the same way humans and eldar do. Orks being a fungus based life form may just be too foreign a form of sentience to succumb. Or, perhaps Gork and Mork are similar to the greater chaos powers and protect thier orkses from coming into the sway of the chaos influences.

Besides- I dont think anyone would want to see Tzeentch orks- and especially Slaaneshi orks! Orkenettes would be like some nightmare sculpt of a multi-breasted blood bowl cheerleader

Here's where it gets weird.

You're right in that Orks don't seem to interact with the Warp on a conscious level, at least enough that they'd be good "followers" of Chaos

however

There are a few instances(most recently in the Planetstrike book) where Orks somehow manage to earn the favor of one of the Chaos Powers, unwittingly, and are given a sort of "guardianship" by the Chaos Powers.

The example in the Planetstrike book was an Ork Waagh! that got sucked into the Warp, found a Daemon World, and fought a Waagh! against the Bloodletters and thralls of Khorne on said planet. The Warboss fought hard enough and actually managed to kill a Daemon Prince in a style that attracted Khorne's attention, and since then he's given them his favor and constantly resurrects the dead Orks so they can endlessly fight the Daemons.

the orks could see khorne as Da biggest boss, or some sort of overarching megaboss and due to this follow him.

They don't think of the Chaos Powers as anything really.

If they do, they maybe consider them some aspect of Gork(or maybe Mork).

Would Khorne Orks move faster since they're red?

You could have possibly orks that ate flesh of deamons for food and gained some of the powers. But i do not know if that could work. but storm boys with deamon wings would be awesom.

Eating Daemons wouldn't give you powers Garret.

Really? why not? anything is posssible in 40k unless explicably said. That is my take on the fluff.

Well, that makes it a bit difficult to explain anything worth a damn then.

Putting it simply:
Daemons are physical manifestations of an incorporeal entity(or so the basic explanation would be).
If someone were to, say, die while under the banner of a Chaos God? It's possible they'd be granted Daemonhood.

It's not really something where the powers would "transfer". Maybe with Nurgle, wherein the infected flesh would cause the transference of Nurgle's Rot or something--but the rest? Those'd be kinda out there and weird for something as simple as consuming flesh.

Daemon Hunter Codex says it can happen.

Necrosis wrote:Daemon Hunter Codex says it can happen.

DH Codex also says Grey Knights are super uber....and well....theyre not

SUre they are they, it just cost to many points but lets get back on topic.

Slarg232 wrote:Ok, I am going to feel really dumb asking about this, but just WHAT ARE genestealer cults?

Genestealer cults are groups of humans who worship "the four-armed Emperor"-i.e the 'nids. It starts when a Genestealer infects a human, turning him into a Genestealer hybrid. They then gather other hybrids or believers to their side, and try to overthrow the Imperial Government so the Hive fleets can come and om nom their planets. There's more about them on lexicanum or bell of lost souls homebrew Genestealer cult mini-dex.

Kanluwen wrote:They don't think of the Chaos Powers as anything really.

If they do, they maybe consider them some aspect of Gork(or maybe Mork).

Clearly Gork is Khorne and Mork is Tzeentch.

Tzeentch is CUNNIN' and REAL SNEEKY LOIKE.

Orks don't convert to chaos, but they can serve it by being manipulated/making an "alliance"


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Only some orks don't care, goffs for example.

But some orks are influenced by their surroundings, like blood axes or the first ork to build a gargant after seeing an imperial titan.

Also feral orks would really not know any better.

What it would required though is some sort of defining experience while fighting followers of chaos. Like maybe one feral ork fights bezerkers and then appropriates and "improves" some of their gear..

In one of the last chancer's books, a daemon shows complete disinterest in orks. Their souls effectively have no flavour due to their rough and ready mentality. I would liken them to rice crackers after eating Tim Tams. Not really worth the effort for chaos..

To summarize, orks falling to chaos is as likely as OP landing a date with megan fox. But OP could win a contest/lotto and orks just may fight for the Blood Ork on his Skull Chair.

T_VanderZwaag wrote:Would Khorne Orks move faster since they're red?

The logic is sound, so I would allow it

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Ok, I am going to feel really dumb asking about this, but just WHAT ARE genestealer cults?

Genestealer cults are groups of humans who worship "the four-armed Emperor"-i.e the 'nids. It starts when a Genestealer infects a human, turning him into a Genestealer hybrid. They then gather other hybrids or believers to their side, and try to overthrow the Imperial Government so the Hive fleets can come and om nom their planets. There's more about them on lexicanum or bell of lost souls homebrew Genestealer cult mini-dex.

Ah, Thanks for that. Still, not quite what I meant by Chaos Nids, I was thinking more of Daemonized Nids.

Although, If the daemons saw the ammount of carnage the Nids can wreak, then I suppose it wouldn't be too entirely over the top to beleive that they assumed Nid like shapes....


Come to think of it, Chaos is alot like salt, or garlic. Not much can't be improved by adding it into the mix.

They don't. Mind you it's technically possible for Chaos Orks to exist, but Orks are naturally resistant-- in some cases, seemingly immune-- to the pull of chaos. Furthermore, Orks have a naturally violent reaction to anything un-orky, and Chaos isn't Orky (not even Khorne). It's Chaosy.

Besides, Orks do not understand subtle or sideways thinking, which is required to be a true chaos worshipper. Orks understand Orky thinking.

Melissia wrote:Orks have a naturally violent reaction to anything un-orky, and Chaos isn't Orky (not even Khorne). It's Chaosy.

Besides, Orks do not understand subtle or sideways thinking, which is required to be a true chaos worshipper. Orks understand Orky thinking.

Not true, Khorne is the Chaos God of Hitting Things, And Hitting Them Hard. Thats about as sideways as both Khorne and Orks need.

At first, I'd liked the concept of Chaos Orks...

But not so much now.

Khorne is the Chaos God of Blood and Battle, and whilst Orks don't mind battle or blood, Orks just want to hit things and win.

Herein lies the problem, Orks don't care HOW they fight, merely that they get to hit/shoot/run over something.

Khorne, on the other hands, demands skulls and blood. By asking something of his followers, he asks them to adhere to certain, "rules" per sey, and the last thing Orks want is to give up their Orky freedom.

Besides, most Orks probably see Khorne as a little wuss, as Gork is obviously better.

How Chaos would influence Orks:

Blood Deamon of Khorne (BDK): "Go my pets and kill! Spill blood for the blood god and carve skulls for his great throne!"

Ork Boy(OB): "Uh wha?"

BDK: "Er ehm, I mean er go an git stompen ya stupid gits 'fore I's thumpin da lot a ya!"

OB: "What was dat ting you say before? You sounded all spikey like"

BDK: "Uh, no. You were mistaken. Now git on wit it!"

OB: "Ya Huh! You's sounded like a right pansey arse! Why I follow you?"

BDK: "Because I is bigger an meaner"

*SPLAT* No more Ork Boy

BDK: "Now git killin!"

In the old Waaargh! da Orks and Freebooterz books, the army list included Stormboyz of Khorne and Ork Mutants.