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Khorne Orks: Gain the Fleet Rule, but on a roll of 1 they kill one of their own from bloodlust.

Slarg232 wrote:Not true, Khorne is the Chaos God of Hitting Things, And Hitting Them Hard. Thats about as sideways as both Khorne and Orks need.

... except Khorne has an unhealthy focus on blood and skulls, and doesn't appreciate the finer aspects of Orky Kultur. Like shooting things with really big and loud guns, or driving really fast, or bigger is better (Khorne doesn't care how big you are, kill for him even if it's killing yourself).

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Not true, Khorne is the Chaos God of Hitting Things, And Hitting Them Hard. Thats about as sideways as both Khorne and Orks need.

... except Khorne has an unhealthy focus on blood and skulls, and doesn't appreciate the finer aspects of Orky Kultur. Like shooting things with really big and loud guns, or driving really fast, or bigger is better (Khorne doesn't care how big you are, kill for him even if it's killing yourself).

Wrong.

Khorne is a Chaos Power that focuses on battle, yes. But not just savagery and brutality. A warrior taking great pride in his martial prowess could very well succumb to Khorne, and avoid the whole "RAWR BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" crap that people stereotype.

Look at the Blood Pact. They're heavily devoted to Khorne, but as well-disciplined and trained as Imperial Guard regiments.

Yes, but they're still Chaos, and therefor not Orky.

It's funny how the Old Ones built into the Orks such a resistance to chaos isn't it?

And it's funny how you don't have to knowingly be serving the Chaos Powers to be a follower of them, isn't it?

That's irrelevant. A schemer in the service of Chaos can manipulate the actions of others, but that doesn't make those others chaos worshippers.

And yet, it makes "Chaos" Orks entirely plausible.

Except it doesn't. They aren't chaos orks, they're just victims of a manipulative (and magnificent!) bastard.

For actual fluff on Chaos Orks, I refer you to the 3rd RT Ork book Freebooters. That book included rules for Chaos Ork Warbands and Khorne Stormboys. Yes, Chaos Orks exist.

For more on Genestealer Cults check this link.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Genestealer_cult

*Note that the article doesn't mention Chaos, but the 1st edition of their army list had options for demons as well as demon weapons and attributes from the ROC books.

Yeah, they exist. They're just really friggin' rare.

Also, from the fluff I've read (which may be outdated, as I often don't remember which specific source the fluff is from as long as it's a GW/BL/licensed source) Orks seem to be able to innately tell when an Ork is infested by "gene-sneakers" as they call them.

Melissia wrote:Except it doesn't. They aren't chaos orks, they're just victims of a manipulative (and magnificent!) bastard.

Melissia wrote:Yeah, they exist. They're just really friggin' rare.

Are you trying to take two quotes out of context and then claim they're contradictory?

That would annoy me to no end, and fill me with a murderous rage so greatly that Khorne himself quivers in fear lest I bitchslap him.

(okay that was overly dramatic, but amusing to me anyway)

In terms of orks being corrupted, i just dont really see it, orks tend to be far too simple for that.
I do however see them fighting under the banners of khorne.
Lets face it, if orks get given the chance or promise of an eternal fight, why would they pass it up?

Trying? Nope, not trying...
I found your comment amusing as well.

Gamble wrote:Trying? Nope, not trying...

That would be good, because if you were trying you'd certainly be failing rather hard

I like!

A lot

I've never liked the idea of an orc army, they're too ramshackle and 'comedy' for my tastes. I'm also not too fond of the fact they're all green.

But..... Blood red orcs, riding around in looted-landraiders covered in spikes... Now I'm liking orcs.

lunarman wrote: riding around in looted-landraiders covered in spikes...

WE JUST FOUND US A LAND RAIDER

It happens. I can't remember but one codex actually has a picture of Chaos Orks. They were pretty freaky.

Orks are, for lack of a better word, perfect. They are utterly resistant to Chaos, and represent complete and total Order. I know a lot of my fellow Chaos players would disagree, but they've existed in pretty much the same state for millions of years. There've been no signifigant mutations either, to the point where the Necrons actually recognize them as the same orks they knew back then.

The thing about orks is, they'll give anything that's unorky in ork society a good crumpin'. If some tribe on Dirtball III gets swayed to Chaos, the tribes around them will crump them first, before getting back to the important business of crumpin' each other.

If the entire planet is somehow swayed, then the nearest empires do the crumpin'. It's almost like every ork is part of an orky Inquisition or an Ecclesiarchy that doesn't "accidentally" roast a few million people. They also don't shout mindless platitudes to the God of Failure, which is definitely a cognitive step up from that group.

The reason why this is, I think, is that orks have an emotion or mental state that is impossible for other races to duplicate. Call is Orkiness, or whatever, but even though it looks like Khorne could get a hold of them, Khorne isn't the god of Orkiness. There's a saying in the Eldar Codex that mentions something like this.

I thought that the way Ork powers work is that they're self-contained, their psychic presence doesn't exactly manifest in the warp and only other Orks detect it...

But that wouldn't explain why Gork and Mork are so powerful in the warp.

oh for god's sake P50 of Demonhunters picture of full-blown mutated chaos orks! Perfect species aside.

What? No. Where did you get that they can't be ever corrupted from that?

They are hard to corrupt individually because most of them don't think the way Chaos needs them to. The ones who do get corrupted are weeded out by the greater whole. It's entirely possible to have Orks that have been corrupted, but they don't live long because of this. So any small number of Chaos Orks that are represented on the tabletop just haven't been crumped yet. There's stories about Orks being corrupted, but unless they can be completely isolated from the rest of the Orks, sooner or later they'll get stomped on.

In the bigger picture, Orks have been going strong for longer than humans have been human, and they as a species remain unchanged. Hell, drop Ork spores on planets at the opposite ends of the galaxy and the cultures that appear will be able to talk with each other, understand each other's tech and will worship the same two gods. Not to mention that they'll also hunt any Chaotic influences that appear in their midst.

Daemonhunters and other nuisances are not required where Orks are concerned. They do the hunting themselves. Got it?

Stormboys of Khorne would disagree. They're Freebooters and either hired or ignored. They are not hunted down and exterminated by other Orks.

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Space_Ork_Freebooterz_-_Stormboy_of_Khorne_1.jpg

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Space_Ork_Freebooterz_-_Stormboy_of_Khorne_2.jpg

Ork Chaos Champion- http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Space_Ork_Freebooterz_-_Chaos_Champion.jpg

Mutant- http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Space_Ork_Freebooterz_-_Mutant.jpg

Yes, Orks were designed to be the most durable of all races by The Old Ones. But when exposed to pure warp energy pretty much anything can be corrupted by Chaos except Grey Knights.

Only Stormboy 1 and the Freebooter Stormboy of Khorne appear in the White Dwarf article. It is surmised the Stormboy 2 and Khorne Stormboy were released at the same time. It should be noted that of all these figures, only the Freebooter Stormboy of Khorne appears to have appeared in the catalogues.

The range was done in 1991, and only one model made it into the catalogue. That's not a ringing endorsement for the presence of huge numbers of Chaos Orks; 50 to 100 years of a warband roaming around is nothing in Ork history considering the War in Heaven mythology. Even the 10000 years or so that the Imperium has been losing to Chaos don't even compare. True, there are some humans that are highly resistant to Chaos like the Knights, Sisters and even some of the Space Wolves, I believe. However if you want to compare apples to apples, that small number of Chaos Orks represent the weakest and least Orky of the bunch. Compare that to the ridiculous number of humans who have been corrupted.

There's no great Ork Chaos empires or even groups near the size of the Traitor Legions and LOTD; just a few pockets that will get crumped if they get big enough for some Ork Warboss to decide they've outlived their usefulness, or that the unorky gits would be fun for a scrap. And given that there isn't a centralized Imperium of Orks sending it's pet sociopaths to cleanse Chaos Orks, they must do a pretty good job of housecleaning. Yeah, they're not totally resistant to Chaos temptations but compared to a good portion of 40k species, including Humans, they are near the top of the list. Oh, and that quote by the Eldar is actually in the Ork codex, not the Eldar codex. Although, interestingly enough, if you look at Xenology, they suggest that the design links between the two would make them as close to sibling races as you can get.

I'm not sure about the Space Wolves resistance to Chaos, though. I don't have that book, and the person who told me was just this guy I talked to while playing a game. He was a little strange with a serious obsession for wolves in general, so he may have been exaggerating due to his attachment to the army.

Yes, Orks were designed to be the most durable of all races by The Old Ones. But when exposed to pure warp energy pretty much anything can be corrupted by Chaos except Grey Knights.

Definitely true, but have there been any cannon examples of Grey Knights that have been exposed to excessive amounts of warp energy? Granted I would class them as, overall, more resistant to those energies, but are they completely resistant? Anyway, regarding the overall species resistance, Orks are considerably better at surviving than humans are. It's almost as if humans were made to worship the Chaos Gods, but a few misfits stubbornly refuse to embrace their destiny.

Krone likes fighting and orks like fighting
orks+Krone=Green Berskers .

All Grey Knights do is seek out the most warp infused areas in the galaxy. When there's a complete tear in reality these are the guys you call to close it. Not 1 has ever turned.
This comes from a lifetime of training for the very purpose of not succumbing to warp energies mixed with actual psychic power.

As others have said, possible but very unlikely. I'd also like to add that iirc Gork and Mork can pretty much whip the 4 Chaos gods if they set their mind to it (which is a reflection of how the orks could actually win 40k if they bothered to unite). Anyway that presents the additional problem of why would an ork follow a 'weaker' god in the first place, since they instinctively band around the strongest.

It is perfectly possible for Orks to turn to chaos.
Orks follow the strongest, get the strongest to be chaos the other orks will follow.

Plus, there was a Nurgle Worshipping Ork army featured in WD (can't remember the nr gotta check at home).