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Ok, so I am about to start a Chaos Daemons army. I have been playing Nids for roughly a year now and am ready for new fun. What should I buy?
This is very important because I am planning on getting roughly 1500 pts next week

Are you planning on playing a mono-god force, or picking and choosing from different chaos powers? There's multiple different ways to go with daemons, you'll have to be more specific.

I suggest you look here first: http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Category:Chaos_Daemons_40K_Tactica

I think I am starting with a polytheistic army, then as I get more, I can specialize as I want.

Someone brought a cool mono god list the other week, it was something like this:

Skarbrand

Bloodthirster

5 Bloodletters

5 Bloodletters

5 Bloodletters

5 Bloodletters

Khorne Daemon Prince
w/ all the fixin's!

Khorne Daemon Prince
w/ all the fixin's!

Khorne Daemon Prince
w/ all the fixin's!

Wait til August, because that's when all the new plastics come out. For now stick with things that aren't getting new models, like the Soulgrinder and Plaguebearers.

after reading the earlier posted article, I think I will be going with a Nurgle theme.

You can do that, but know that Great Unclean Ones are not the best HQs, Nurgle Heralds really suck, and Beasts of Nurgle are extremely subpar compared to the other excellent elite choices.

However, Plaguebearers and Nurgle DPs are nice.

Personally, I don't play mono-god.

If you go Nurgle, be sure to get Epidemius so you can run a "Tallyman" list. He's an HQ choice with an ability that essentially makes anything Nurgle become more powerful the more kills you get.

Great Unclean Ones are hard to kill and the cheapest of the Greater Daemons...you actually do get a lot of bang for your buck with them. Beasts of Nurgle aren't that exciting...but they will benefit from Epidemius.

If you're running a Tallyman list, I'd go with a Great Unclean One, Epidemius, 2-3 daemon princes of Nurgle, and a lot of plaguebearers. I hear mixed things about Nurglings, but hey, they're cheap.

Just be aware that this will not be a cheap army...the plastic daemon prince isn't coming out until August, so you're looking at an all-metal army(unless you convert your plaguebearers from some other plastic kit). You might want to get a couple of Soulgrinders now, and do the daemon princes in August.

I was planning on doing soul grinders for now because I hate the Daemon Prince model anyways. The full metal army scares my painting skills to be truthful. I hate putting metal together

Victimized Tyrant wrote:I was planning on doing soul grinders for now because I hate the Daemon Prince model anyways. The full metal army scares my painting skills to be truthful. I hate putting metal together

I actually quite like the GW-direct Nurgle daemon prince, you can see mine(and my other daemon models) in this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/264069.page

But I'm SO happy they're putting out plastic bloodcrushers in August...while I've always liked the look of the model, I hate assembling them and they fall apart so easily.

I wish they would put out a plastic Plaguebearer. It would make my decision tenfold easier. I might do a mixed nurgle/khorne.

The metal plaguebearers are very easy to work with as they're one piece, and I quite like their looks. But if you really prefer plastics and you don't mind working with some modeling putty, you could always convert other miniatures like Warhammer Fantasy zombies or ghouls. As long as you make them look "Nurgle," an opponent should have no problem with this.

Khorne/Nurgle is a fairly good combination...you can use your durable plaguebearers to give moveable cover to your bloodletters, or as tarpits to enemy units to allow your khorne units to get off the charge(which, as they have furious charge, you really need to do!)

However, be aware that you will have almost no shooting in the list...pretty much just your two soulgrinders, which have a multi-shot bolter-type weapon, and can be upgraded to fire a pretty good high-powered weapon, but they shoot at BS3. Most of the shooting in daemons comes from Tzeentch.

Victimized Tyrant wrote:Ok, so I am about to start a Chaos Daemons army. I have been playing Nids for roughly a year now and am ready for new fun.

If you play Nids, then don't get Daemons as playstyle is too close.

Buy Chaos Marines. MEQ statline, Mech options, Marks. Go nuts!

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you play Nids, then don't get Daemons as playstyle is too close.

JohnHwangDD, do you play daemons? Other than it being an army where you have monstrous creatures, they play about as similarly to Tyranids as Tau play to Imperial Guard.

The defining characteristics of daemons is the "daemon" rule. All units in the army have invulnerable saves, are fearless, enter play via deepstrike, and on your first turn you must do a daemonic assault where you divide your army in half, roll to see which half will come in first, and then deepstrike that half onto the battlefield.

And remember, the OP isn't looking for help in choosing an army, he's looking for what to purchase for a specific army. He may have absolutely no interest in MEQ.

DrunkenBoxer wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you play Nids, then don't get Daemons as playstyle is too close.

JohnHwangDD, do you play daemons? Other than it being an army where you have monstrous creatures, they play about as similarly to Tyranids as Tau play to Imperial Guard.

That's my point. When looking for a 2nd army, one should be casting the net far afield for something truly different, not only somewhat different in degree. Compared to MEQs, Tau and Guard are interchangeable.

Unless he just prefers the look and feel of creatures/daemons over MEQ. I have a chaos daemons army, and for awhile was seriously considering Tyranids as a second army. What dissuaded me was not a similarity in playstyle, as I feel after reading the tyranid codex that in practice they'd actually be much different. It was actually that the cost was prohibitively high for me, especially as I'd have to convert Tervigons and buy a LOT of models to put together the army.

And I'd argue that unless you were making a straight gunline army, Guard and Tau are absolutely not interchangeable. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Please understand the context. I'm talking big brush army archetypes here, so, from a MEQ POV, there is no real difference between Guard and Tau.

And I'm saying that unless he states otherwise, the OP doesn't care how a MEQ player will view his army. A daemon army and a tyranid army are going to play very different, as the armies are not the same...the strongest similarity between the two is that neither have transport vehicles(though arguably, that now changes with the tyranid version of the drop pod.) So there's value in owning both if you enjoy the miniatures and the play styles.

I'd also think that as a MEQ player you'd want to use different strategies fighting against the two armies, but that's off topic from the thread which we seem to have hijacked with our debate.

You're not understanding at all. I'm saying to the OP:

DON'T PLAY DAEMONS!

It's just that simple.

OK, fine. And I'm saying to the OP:

PLAY DAEMONS! They're fun and play nothing like Tyranids.

And so, we're done here.

lol...

i think the OP has a few things to consider...

Are you into 40k more because you get to model and paint awesome looking miniatures and then have them pew-pew their guns at other miniatures...

or...

are you into 40k more because you like the strategies and play styles of different armies...

if you are 100% modeler and love and want to play/paint/model the minis...then go with drunkenboxers suggestions of for sure buying a daemon army...

if you are 100% gamer then...JohnHwangs suggestion of playing something other than daemons might have merit too...

-My take-

i think nids and daemons are different enough to be enjoyable to play both and be happy with it....with the following caveat...

Nids dont have a lot of great long-ranged anti-tank, which is their glaring weakness...but they have excellent anti-infantry weapons...

Daemons also dont have a lot of long-ranged anti-tank either and have decent anti-infantry guns with flamers and horrors.

so if that was a frustration for your Nid army then yea i'd...suggest that you play something other than daemons...

the safest thing to do is play test a Daemon army to see if you like it...that is the smartest thing to do...

my experience...

started with a deathwing army...liked how they played but hated the minis...i stripped the army...

then i was like...cool lets do something else with a completely different play style...orks!!! WAAAGHHH!!!...the waaagh didnt last long cuz i hated setting up and moving so many ork models...so sold my ork army...

then i wanted something i would enjoy painting and modeling...so i started nurgle...which i had a blast with...

after my nurgle army i fell in love with forgeworld...so i was like F this...im gonna drop a ton of cash for a death korps of krieg army just cuz i LOVE the minis...i dont care if they play like crap...i just want a army of dudes with gas masks...turns out i dont really like how IG plays as much as chaos...but im still happy cuz i like the DKoK models so much...sooo yep...

in short...its a balance between modeling and play style...its really up to you

Totally agreed.

I'm not suggesting the OP abandon his first army, just consider that when taking a break for something different, to actually play something very different.

CSM have the Marks and Powers and allow mixing in a number of Daemons models, while playing very differently from Nids.

Personally, I got a wide variety of stuff just so I can mix things up.

If you're still planning for a Nurgle themed list, I'd recommend 3 DP's of Nurgle, Epidemius, Ku'gath or a GUO and tons of plaguebearers.

Also, have Epidemius join a squad of 7 or so nuglings. Yay for 21 ablative wounds.

I would not take heralds or beasts of Nurgle. These are just terrible.

Also, I think DashofPepper has some great tactica on playing Daemons. I may be wrong however

Sorry it has been so long in getting back to this. I have had a long string of bad luck so I am just now getting back to where I need. I still haven't been able to choose. I started to think space wolves though for a little bit, But Idk..