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I have an old blister pack of Imperial Guard Valhallan with Heavy Bolter. It comes supplied with two 25mm slot bases. Do I have to mount them on the larger current bases?
The easiest thing to do is base them like current models which I plan to do.
But do I have to?

The rules only require models to be based on the bases with which they were supplied.

That does raise issues with old Guard heavy teams, as up until the current codex they were two separate models. The current rules would work better with them rebased onto 60mm bases... otherwise, you're going to need some sort of house rule to make them fit the current heavy team profile.

castellan wrote:I have an old blister pack of Imperial Guard Valhallan with Heavy Bolter. It comes supplied with two 25mm slot bases. Do I have to mount them on the larger current bases?
The easiest thing to do is base them like current models which I plan to do.
But do I have to?

RaW, you MUST put them on the base they came on.

This means that the old HWT are kind of unusable, since they are on two bases, or you just use the Heavy Bolter model even though it doesn't really look like it has two wounds.

However, 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999997% of people will not care if you base them on the new 60mm bases.

Same goes for old chaos terminators I'd assume.

Kurgash wrote:Same goes for old chaos terminators I'd assume.

In that they should technically still be on their original 25mm bases, but nobody cares if you base them on 40mm, yes.

They don't have the same problem that HWT's have with being two models on a single base with a single statline...

I find that more people prefer that they're on newer bases.

Edit: Has there ever been a YMTC poll on this? Is there a repository of older polls?

I don't recall if there's been a poll, but it's certainly been discussed.

So far as the HWTs go, it's usually divided between those who find the bigger bases easier, those who don't care and will use the bigger bases if it saves hassles, those who find the bigger bases a pain, and those who just flat out refuse to rebase their old models regardless of whether or not they like the new bases...

First thing i did when the codex came out and the profile had changed was to rebase all my old catachan heavy weapons guys onto new 60mm bases. I have 20 H/W teams, so no small undertaking, but i much prefer the new look. I personaly believe that you should update bases as the rules change, regardless of the strict interpretation of RAW, it cuts out alot of silly issues that can occur in what is meant to be a game.

Thank you all!
I will mount them on the large base.

There still models.

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What about old oblits? i have a few of those!

IronfrontAlex wrote:ooooOOO

What about old oblits? i have a few of those!

No offence, but why would you want to use them? The sculpt is horrible IMO....

castellan wrote:I have an old blister pack of Imperial Guard Valhallan with Heavy Bolter. It comes supplied with two 25mm slot bases. Do I have to mount them on the larger current bases?
The easiest thing to do is base them like current models which I plan to do.
But do I have to?

i've kept my old guard teams on their smaller bases as my army is complete. it is confusing to other players now that the rules say the teams are a single 2 wound model on a 60mm base so i acquired some 60mm bases online and painted/flocked them up. when i field the HW teams, i just put the smaller models on the 60mm base and take off the loader when it loses a wound.

insaniak wrote: and those who just flat out refuse to rebase their old models regardless of whether or not they like the new bases...

Me, me!! In fact, I still have Imperial Guard Assault Troops on hexagon bases................. Use them as PCS meltagunners.

I have re-based 8 of 9 of my Advanced Space Crusade Tyranid Warriors, as people kept commenting on the advantage I had using the smaller square bases.

I have not gotten around to finding/buying a ninth base or I would have swapped them all.

It comes up more often when two of the same unit have different base sizes (understandably), but even when I only fielded the older warriors, some folks would comment.

Most base size issues are red herrings.

filbert wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:ooooOOO

What about old oblits? i have a few of those!

No offence, but why would you want to use them? The sculpt is horrible IMO....

Because i think they look nicer than the current oblits IMHO and that any oldschool model i MUST HAVE in my army...

plus he base sizes...


But with basing i've gotten grief from players before that my old metal CSM termies with termicide were way easier to deep strike with the small bases, is this legal for competitions? i dont NEED to swap them right?

Nope, don't need to swap them. And when I shoot my Executioner at them, I'll get more hits thanks to the smaller basses................

Don Mondo has a point - isn't it a disadvantage to be on a smaller base? More hits from templates, etc?

it has advantages and disadvantages.

I just keep all my old terminators on their old bases, and the new terminators on the new bases. Exactly how it should be. Occasionally people try to "matter of factly" tell me how my old terminators need to be rebased on the new larger bases, and I tell them to go read the rulebook.

Demogerg wrote:it has advantages and disadvantages.

I just keep all my old terminators on their old bases, and the new terminators on the new bases. Exactly how it should be. Occasionally people try to "matter of factly" tell me how my old terminators need to be rebased on the new larger bases, and I tell them to go read the rulebook.

plus comparing mine, he old termis are pretty small. i mean even abby is a tad smaller than a plastic termi!

Heh, the current termies are as big as my old dreads............

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Demogerg wrote:it has advantages and disadvantages.

I just keep all my old terminators on their old bases, and the new terminators on the new bases. Exactly how it should be. Occasionally people try to "matter of factly" tell me how my old terminators need to be rebased on the new larger bases, and I tell them to go read the rulebook.

plus comparing mine, he old termis are pretty small. i mean even abby is a tad smaller than a plastic termi!

You can help that if desired. Put their smaller base on top of a larger base. It puts them more in line height wise.


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don_mondo wrote:Heh, the current termies are as big as my old dreads............

Yea my RT era dreads are not much bigger now. It actually fits fluff though as one is tactical drednought armor and the other is dreadnought armor. Plus a termie's defenive armor in gaming is not much worse than a dread's armor.

Ha, this is great as I still have my Avatar on the square base he came with. I also have two warwalkers that are on the square bases they came on, and those bases are differnt sizes. But they were all the bases the models were packages with back in 1999-2000 when I bought them.

I have some of the old termies that I rebased on the 40mm and put the new termie arms and shoulder pads. It buffed them up nicely and they only look smaller if you compare them side by side close up. In a mixed unit on the table you can't tell the difference.

I was quickly angered with the 5th Edition IG codex coming out that I would have to re-base ALL of my heavy weapons teams that were previously modeled on 25mm bases that they were originally supplied with. With something like 45ish Missile Launcher teams alone, this would be quite a daunting task. I think I'm just going to go the route of getting 60mm bases and making them look all pretty like with the 25mm bases on top able to be removed like many have done. Would that possibly be considered modeling for an advantage, as they would have a slightly higher position for true LoS purposes?

Evil Lamp 6 wrote: Would that possibly be considered modeling for an advantage, as they would have a slightly higher position for true LoS purposes?

Possibly? Sure.

Generally? No. Very few people are likely to have a problem with it. It's a fairly common compromise.

Frazzled wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Demogerg wrote:it has advantages and disadvantages.

I just keep all my old terminators on their old bases, and the new terminators on the new bases. Exactly how it should be. Occasionally people try to "matter of factly" tell me how my old terminators need to be rebased on the new larger bases, and I tell them to go read the rulebook.

plus comparing mine, he old termis are pretty small. i mean even abby is a tad smaller than a plastic termi!

You can help that if desired. Put their smaller base on top of a larger base. It puts them more in line height wise.


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don_mondo wrote:Heh, the current termies are as big as my old dreads............

Yea my RT era dreads are not much bigger now. It actually fits fluff though as one is tactical drednought armor and the other is dreadnought armor. Plus a termie's defenive armor in gaming is not much worse than a dread's armor.

Yeah it helps heightwise but eh, i'll keep them as is for old schoolness! P.S does this mean i can legally remove the larger bases that i placed on my old oblits? I could really use those large bases for other models i am making ...?

zeshin wrote:I have some of the old termies that I rebased on the 40mm and put the new termie arms and shoulder pads. It buffed them up nicely and they only look smaller if you compare them side by side close up. In a mixed unit on the table you can't tell the difference.

Yeah i had some extra termi arms an i placed them on my old metal models without shoulder armor.... and it is almost exactaly the same size as the old ones!! totally keeping it anyways.



has anyone ever refused a game untill you based your units on modern bases? the whole reason why I put my old oblits on large bases is because somone at my FLGS refused to get a game in anymore untill i did... as with my termi's because of "cheating because the base size is so small"


thoughts?

It's been said before but... If someone refuses a game because of old bases just show them the rulebook. As counter intuitive as it is to leave the old obsolete bases on your models it is perfectly legal and in fact required.

Could I please get a page # for future reference?