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Hey folks! I play Orks.

I've been thinking that it would be fun to play an unorthodox list with units that aren't really worthwhile, but that STILL has the ability to bring an answer to anything on the field. Over my short but growing 40k career, I've collected some Ork models that probably won't ever see the light of day in a tournament, which seems to be all I play in. I want to play with them!

I have 4 battlewagons, 5 trukks, plenty of boyz, 30 Lootas, 15 burnas, 20 nobs (diversified, magnetized arms). These are for you to add in substitutions. I also have three warbuggies, 5-6 Deffkoptas....KFF Mek....nothing is off-limits, but I want to see non-traditional units getting love.

Here's the units / models I have that get no little to no gameplay.

-11 Warbikers
-Converted Wazdakka Gutsmek
-Zagstruk + a beautifully painted mob of 20 Stormboyz.
-Shokk Attack Gun Big Mek.
-Snikrot + 13 kommandos + 2 burnas
-90 Gretchin
-I have no Flashgits, but would use counts-as with them with nobs for giggles. Who's going to complain?
-3 killa-kans + 6 more in boxes.
-2 Deff Dreads
-Mad Dok Grotsnik
-2x Warbosses. Have never used them (I play Ghazghkull)


Can you take those models and build a list that is completely unorthodox, doesn't belong in a tournament setting, but has the ability to pull a fast one (IE, still be fun and surprising) because it *does* have an answer to anything that could be arrayed against it, even if they are overcosted or not the best fits for a certain slot. Sorry, I have no Looted Wagons!

1850 and 2k would be good armies. I realize that I have kans in my unused pile; but that doesn't mean build me a kan-wall. =p

I've lately been sorely tempted to play an Ork army using all 3 Heavy Support slots for an 'ard case battlewagon with killkannon. Run them side-by-side, put a KFF Mek in the middle, and roll down the field at 6" a turn dropping AP3 pie-plates on anything that looks tasty. Also S7 + best of 2d6 for transport-popping.

That'd go best with a horde, I think, so that the boyz can screen the tanks from melta drops and grenade attacks.

Not seeing them in your list, but don't you have some buggies and deffkoptas, and a KFF mek?

Yes, and a lot more stuff too - I was just posting the units that don't get love that I want to get some.

Flash gitz in battlewagon 'ard case!, as there gunz are assault weapons, for a fully upgraded nob squad you can get kaptian budrukk and 5 fellow gitz fully upgraded wargear wise for the same price, there basicly nobz with flashy gunz
w/ painboy if not badrukk because you never want them in combat, that's cybork with rerolls....

flash gitz are underrated hard hitters, what they shoot at. dies, so put em in a wagon, they will survive! well for awhile....

hey you magnetize nob arms as well! awesomeness!!!

warbiker mob would be interesting... maybe w/ war boss?

kans, so ide use them w/ grotzooka's and rokkit wallz

3 mobs of 30 gtretchin sounds fun, and lots of gretch can be surprisingly effective

OK. Here's a thought. I've actually run something similar.
Note: I took a little liberty with your units/counts, figuring you could adapt or convert as you see fit.

HQ:
Wazzdakka Gutsmek

ELITE:
Kommandos x 11, Snikrot, 2 Burnas

TROOPS:
Warbikes x 3 (Nob, PK, BP)
Warbikes x 3 (Nob, PK, BP)
Warbikes x 3 (Nob, PK, BP)
Warbikes x 3 (Nob, PK, BP)

FAST ATTACK:
Warbuggies x 3 w/ TL Rokkits
Warbuggies x 3 w/ TL Rokkits
Stormboyz x 20 w/ Zaggstrukk

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Killa Kans x 3 w/ Rokkits
Killa Kans x 3 w/ Rokkits
Killa Kans x 3 w/ Rokkits

1850

Killa Kan firebase with everything else ultra fast around it. Kans, buggies, and Wazzdakka emphasize removing enemy mobility and firepower, so that when Snikrot and Zagstrukk appear, they can assault in force. Decent firepower: 6 TL rokkits, 9 BS3 rokkits, 8 S8 dakkakannon shots, 36 TL S5 dakkagun shots.

Bikes are MSU style to maximize power klaws and be roaming tank hunters or team up on an assault with double the PK killing power. If you had more bikes, you could get up to six units of this style. Each unit is relatively killy (9 TL S5 shots, PK) and not a huge loss if runs from the board.

Kans move and shoot, try to lock in hard enemy units (nobs, terminators) and keep bikes from being charged.

Biggest weakness is smaller troops, but when I've run this, I've had 6 of the bike units and with the permanent cover save, small size to hide from LOS, and speed to escape danger, a couple usually survive to contest/score objectives.

Yeah been looking at this sort of plan for a while.... Soo much stuff to take...

Are 'we' going to avoid the KFF mek just as a matter of course?

I think the idea of Warbiker Boss and a mid sized Stormboy escort deserves some inspection.

The temptation for me is to then say, why don't we run at least 2 squads of stormboys and 2 of kommandos?

Which would start to make me worry about AT a little, true we seem to have lots of fast PK attacks hidden around... but maybe a Compliment of Kans?

Soo maybe

Wazdakka
SAG

Kommando
Kommando

Warbikers (small unit)
Warbikers (small unit)
Gretchin (Why)
Gretchin (Bloody)
Gretchin (Not)

StormBoyz
StormBoyz
Deffkoptas

KillaKanz.


So far... A unit of lootas or more outflank a base to work off I guess... Tempted to run a dual biker boss thing thou SAG might be a bit too random for this.

So for troops?

(145) Warbikers x4 w/ Nob PK BP
(145) Warbikers x4 w/ Nob PK BP
(145) Warbikers x4 w/ Nob PK BP
(107) Gretchin x29 w/ Runth x2
(107) Gretchin x29 w/ Runth x2
(107) Gretchin x29 w/ Runth x2

Is 756.... What point are we looking at... ah 2000.

Dashofpepper wrote:Hey folks! I play Orks.


1850 and 2k would be good armies. I realize that I have kans in my unused pile; but that doesn't mean build me a kan-wall. =p

he says, so like most Aus gamers do a 1750 and fint 100 pts worth of wargear, or a large mob of gretch....

Heres a list I made for maximum firepower. I think.

Warboss-PK,Cybork
Warboss-PK,Cybork

15 Lootas
15 Lootas
15 Lootas

3 Nobs-Battlewagon,armor plates,deffrolla,big shoota
3 Nobs-Battlewagon,armor plates,deffrolla,big shoota

3 Rokkit Buggies
3 Rokkit Buggies
3 Rokkit Buggies

3 Rokkit Kans
3 Rokkit Kans
3 Rokkit Kans

2000 points

Not really any objective capturing potential with 6 nobs as your troops, but I guess if you can table your opponent then it doesn't really matter. I just wonder if this list can do that or not.

I think a specialty ork list like the one listed above with loads of Kommandos, Storm Boyz, and Warbikers would be fun. Maybe a SAG Mek for kicks. Three Wagon Killkannons (Loaded with Flash Gits?) as a core around which the carnival descends would be fun.

Well, I was 'aiming' for 2000 when I played with ironing this idea out - Naturally all Nobz have Pk and stuff

Head Quarters
(180) Wazdakka
(130) Warboss w/ BC, AS, CB

Elites
(190) Kommandos x12 w/ Nob, 2 Burna
(190) Kommandos x12 w/ Nob, 2 Burna
(260) Kommandos x15 w/ Sniktrot, 2 Burna

Troops
(145) Warbikers x4 w/ Nob
(145) Warbikers x4 w/ Nob
(145) Warbikers x4 w/ Nob
(67) Unit of Gretchin x19 w/ Runth
(67) Unit of Gretchin x19 w/ Runth
(107) Big unit of Gretchin x29 w/ two Runths

Fast Attack
(184) Stormboyz x12 w/ Nob
(184) Stormboyz x12 w/ Nob
(325) Stormboyz x20 w/ Zagstruk

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Okay who wants to tune it down to 2000 and up to 2500... I was thinking about a set of Kans being as we know a decent fire platform, just a little concerned as there is no KFF.
Stormboyz would go with the HQ. Troop bikes would play dodging games and tank-hunt. Big gretchin starting on the table maybe leave the other two to grab reserves?
Zag of course is Assault-on-the-turn-I-deepstrike-in-cheep-cheep-I'm-a-chicken goodness. Same with Snikt and his Ambush, couple of out-flank units too...
Which leaves me worried about board presence turns one and two - something other armies I've played have to deal with regularly, not sure for okrs however, anyone think could we reserve everything in some situations with this list for maximum effect?

...And sorry about the semi-hijack dash

I had a few pipe dreamy ideas when I first started playing Orks - One was an all-grot army including 180 Grots on foot, 9 Kans (or big gun batteries) and a mek. What I found is actually they were too cheap! The troops are some 600 points and the kans are only about 300. I guess it would work in a 1K list but anything bigger it would go bla.

That said I have taken my other pipe dream and made an all- Warbike army. 2 ork warboss warbikers, 2 x 10 nob biker mobs and another 24 (including 2 nobs) warbikers in fast attack.

I'm all for fun lists, crazy lists and anything new. Hell, it may actually work! I find my Kan wall shooty list to be remarkably effective against marines but die to swarm armies, the exact opposite of what I expected it to do.

In the end, let me know what you come up with. I also wanted to pop my head in a thread as Ive been out for a while!

Cheers!

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KFF isn't ruled out. Use it if it fits your theme/style.

However, I have warbosses, mad dok, SAG...they all need some love too!




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Snikkyd wrote:Heres a list I made for maximum firepower. I think.

Warboss-PK,Cybork
Warboss-PK,Cybork

15 Lootas
15 Lootas
15 Lootas

3 Nobs-Battlewagon,armor plates,deffrolla,big shoota
3 Nobs-Battlewagon,armor plates,deffrolla,big shoota

3 Rokkit Buggies
3 Rokkit Buggies
3 Rokkit Buggies

3 Rokkit Kans
3 Rokkit Kans
3 Rokkit Kans

2000 points

Not really any objective capturing potential with 6 nobs as your troops, but I guess if you can table your opponent then it doesn't really matter. I just wonder if this list can do that or not.

Uh....restrictions are that you're limited to the models I have. I have 3 buggies, and 3 assembled kans, with 6 more in packaging. Also only have 30 Lootas. And....this is a kan-wall with a mech hybrid. I wish I could say people didn't run stuff like this, but they do>

I don't know if there's a remotely-effective (not super hard) way to put 11 bikes, Wazdakka, a SAG, Zagstruk and stormboyz in the same list that looks convincing....but if there was a story to it, or a theme, I'd try it!

What? you don't want to buy and paint 180 Grots? That's only 18 grot box sets

Dashofpepper wrote:
I don't know if there's a remotely-effective (not super hard) way to put 11 bikes, Wazdakka, a SAG, Zagstruk and stormboyz in the same list that looks convincing....but if there was a story to it, or a theme, I'd try it!

Hehe, well I'm becoming a little amxious to try the list I posted or something much like it tonight, so I'll try (for once) to write a batrep - probably be against deamons - that'd make for some fairly savage infiltrating (I pray to mork and gork)

Story wise, I see an up and coming Biker Warboss meeting with Wazdakka on a wind swept promontory selected because of the peculiar flashes in it's rocks. The new Biker has just distinguished himself and his reckless boyz against a 'small' assault of Marines sent to reenforce the IG against Wazdakka. Now they are talking terms of a promotion/joined waaagh... only to have a demonic assault from the warp energy trapped in the rocks of course ^_^
I'll hash out the details after a couple of drinks

You can also take a Biker list with lots of Lootas, Kannons, and Buggies. You might not have all the neccesary models(even though you can probably convert the Kannons of of Battlewagon parts) but with all that fire support, it could work well.

Heyo, I've tried a list that was sorta a combination of what you have there. It was fun, and I even won with it *gasp* Heres a quick mock up...

HQ Wazdakka
HQ SAG big mek

Troops: 30 gretchins for the mek
Troops: your 11 warbikers with Nob
Troops: 30 gretchins for objectives

Elites: Snikrot with his full squad

Fast Attack: Zagstruck with a full squad
Fast Attack: 5 deff koptas, (whatever you want to do to them)

Man if you had grot weapon crews that would be cool

Battle Wagon with Deff Rolla plates, red, 4 big shootas
Fully upgraded Flash gits with Badruk but only like 5 of them with a pain dok.

Btw I think this is 1500 I really have no idea, probably closer to 2000

This list probably looks terrible, but! if you concentrate snikrot, the koptas, sag, pretty much everything on a single point you have an alright chance at shooting and some assault. (not really assault)

here's a 2000 pt list i have wanted to try for a long time. seems really evil


2 Big meks with KFFs 170 pts

4 units of 30 grots(you would need to get more) runtherds have Grot prods 540 pts

1 Deffdread with 4 DCCWs, grot riggers and armor plates as troops 120 pts

1 units of 10 diversified Nobs 540 pts

1 unit of 5 Deffcoptas 175 pts

3 units of 3 Killa kans with rokkits 450 pts

1995 pts total

Dash, you know my list. You've seen it played... If you're feeling adventurous, give it a spin round the block. It'll certainly give you 'interesting times'.

Ok, heres something i think you can make.

KFF Mek

15 Lootas
15 Lootas

30 Shootas,3 big shootas,PK,bosspole
30 Shootas,3 big shootas,PK,bosspole
30 Shootas,3 big shootas,PK,bosspole

Battlewagon,ard case,Killkannon,big shoota
Battlewagon,ard case,Killkannon,big shoota
Battlewagon,ard case,Killkannon,big shoota

1750 points


I guess its a mechanised shooting list, even though the wagons are empty except for the mek. Lootas open tranports, and then you hit them with pie plates and mass shoota fire. Not sure if you have the Killkannons though.