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Posted By Delephont on 03/28/2007 12:22 PM
@cuda

Mortarion, in my mind will be blessed with the Disease of Nurgle, but will not have succumbed all the way, after all he's a Primarch first and foremost. So the skin would be a sickly palor, but not rotting or too far gone. He will still retain his features ( so a version of the Emporer, his father ) but not as benevolent.

 

Mortarion is a demon prince on a demon world.  He wouldn't even be recognizable as ever having been human at any time in his past.  Except, possibly some disease-ravaged vestage of Terminator armor that he wore when he embraced chaos.

Actually, if there's a good figure of Abaddon, that would be useful as a basis for the Primarchs.

Well, the next three I have ideas for are Horus, Guiliman (Ultramarines), and the Ravenguard primarch.

 

  Horus is a fairly simple design. Since Abbaddon is his clone-son he would be proportioned about the same, with the talon of Horus (wierd lightningclaw) on one hand and a similar one on the other hand. I would have his terminator armor have a texture to it, instead of smooth plates. Basically make him look like he carved his suit from a giant block of granite. Then have cables running all over it with a giant Mark of Chaos undivided on one shoulder. Maybe have one hand doing an upward slash. (just think Wolverine from the X-men).

  Guiliman would HAVE to have the Gaultlettes of ultramar (the powerfists that Calgar has now) and terminator armor. It is Heavy in the fluff that he used them after taking them from a deamon prince. As he is the "vanilla" primarch he should not be too flashy. However, to make him look unique, make the colar line of his armor and the "trim" all over his armor a more agular look. Instead of smooth curves, just have multiple angles. I have always thought that the twin powerfists gave the Calgar model a little too much top weight. I say you should just go with it. Make his terminator armor have "pectoral muscels". Not in an obvious George Cloony-Batman kind of way, just enough to see it without knowing that they are intentional pec-muscels in his armor.

  THe Ravenguard primarch is one of the few that I would consider leaving the helmet on. A "beaky" marine helmet with the design of a raven head on it would look best. Definately have a pare of lightning claws. Make the claws be siraded, kind of like a fist full of Rambo knives. He would most likely have had a jetpack . Though it would look diffferent from modern marine jump equipement. Probably like a Hybrid of marine jump packs with Chaos raptor jumpacks. Make it somewhat pointy with the exhaust near the centerline of his back. Instead of having him on his feet, have a blast of fire from the jumppack holding him up a half inch or so. That way it looks like he is just taking off.

  I also have an idea for the Iron warriors Primarch. Iron warriors are NOT know for being mutated much. So, although he should be larger than a "normal" primarch, keep him as human looking as possible. Iron warriors are also very utalitarian. Anything that is not needed should be left off. His hemlet should look like a 13th Century heavy calvary helmet, angled with a vertical line in front of the mouth with airholes. However, leave the part of the hemet over the eyes open. Design the rest of the armor acordingly. Definately add two servoarms. As Iron warriors are not known to be a precission force or suttle a sword is NOT fitting. Stick with their 'fortress breaking" background and give him a power mace and bolt pistol.

 

Posted By millest on 03/28/2007 5:53 AM

Posted By Pariah Press on 03/25/2007 12:37 AM

Posted By beef on 03/24/2007 4:39 PM
look on pre heresy forums for pictures and various sculpts on all the primarchs

Even Rubineck?

who is rubineck????

  He's the Primarch of the Iron Hearts, I believe.  Just an obscure throwaway reference in the short story "Hell in a Bottle" by Simon Jowett published in Into the Maelstrom.  I suppose he's as "canon" as anything else in an official source, but not of much particular interest except as trivia.  He appears to be the best candidate for a Lost Primarch available, though. 

@ Cuda

Absolutely, if I lean heaviliy on anyones ideas I will support my original promise

The problem will come when theres a little of everything, but hey, I'm a way off yet, so I'll cross that bridge when I get to it!

There are some great ideas coming out and very detailed.

@ Breotan

I see your point, and to a certain extent I agree, 10,000 years in the suck is gonna change your religion. However, I'd like to have a "running theme" through all the Primarchs, after all they are Brothers! So everyone should have a "similar" facial feature, some twisted more than others, but enough of a likeness to know ...."are, they must be related!"

Posted By Pariah Press on 03/28/2007 8:04 PM

Posted By millest on 03/28/2007 5:53 AM

Posted By Pariah Press on 03/25/2007 12:37 AM

Posted By beef on 03/24/2007 4:39 PM
look on pre heresy forums for pictures and various sculpts on all the primarchs

Even Rubineck?

who is rubineck????

  He's the Primarch of the Iron Hearts, I believe.  Just an obscure throwaway reference in the short story "Hell in a Bottle" by Simon Jowett published in Into the Maelstrom.  I suppose he's as "canon" as anything else in an official source, but not of much particular interest except as trivia.  He appears to be the best candidate for a Lost Primarch available, though. 

are we sure its not a case of some muppet writer using the term primarch instead of chapter master or founding master?

   I have been thinking of Jikotta Kan (spelling?) of the white scars. Put him on a Marine bike. Here is the tricky part though. The bike needs to look like a blend of Gothic and Asian culture. How about having a smaller more streamlined front fender, possibly curved instread of angular. The rear tire needs to be BIG, so use the larger wheel found on the ork warbuggy. Perhaps the exhaust could be made to look like pipe organ flutes. Two pipes on each side of the bike extending back at a 45 degree angle and have the tip look like the tip of a pipe organ pipe. There needs to be some packs of equipment on the bike, but should not look like the generic "blocky" packs used by normal marines. They should look like sacks, pouches, or cylindrical containers (think arrow quivers).

   As for the Primarch himself, a tied-back ponytail, with windswept beard and braided mustach. His arms should NOT have armor on them to give him better movement on the saddle. This being said a wrist mounted bracelette and small sheild do seem appropriate.

I guess one question is, are you doing pre-Heracy primarchs? post-Heracy? present day? Answering this will figure prominently in how you go about modeling them.

It general, the human based primarchs shouldn't be too much taller than the current Lysander or Calgar models. Perhaps more closely "right-scaled" but that'd be about it. Remember, they're big, but not bloody giants. I'd also model the Emperor at the same scale as the primarchs due to the fluff stating Horus was the Emperor's "clone brother".

As for the demonic primarchs... well, pretty much anything goes. You'll really need to dig into the fluff to figure out what happened to the traitor primarchs and what they looked like after they embraced chaos.

@ Millest: I think calling him a muppet writer is being generous.

Breotan

You pose some interesting points. However, depending on which version of the fluff you read, the primarchs were in fact Giants. Much taller than Space Marines, and therefore much taller than a human.

However, the thing with GW, I'm starting to realise that the whole scale thing is just moot, its pointless, models are not made to scale. The GW models have a gaming "magnitude" which is in itself something parallel to the fluff, but not the same as the fluff. I could make the Primarchs the same size as an Imperial Guard, or as big as a deamon prince....it doesn't really matter as far as WH40K is concerned because everything else is out of scale.

I used to be into 1:6th scale Action Figures...yeah, yeah, man dollies and those guys are nuts about the correct scaling, but then...in 1:6th they could afford to be, in the fantasy world of GW and others its nigh on impossible.....or is it?.......

Taking the project of the Primarchs one step further, I got talking to a friend of mine and he suggested something very interesting, and that was to create the base casts for scale "accurate" Marines and Primarchs. This probably sounds more difficult then it actually is, however, its pretty simple. We can draw the base Marine in CAD, and simple upscale it to what ever we want! I could get the moulds made and basically churn out as many variants as I wanted to create an army of "real" scale Marines. I could use the Imperial Guard figures as the standard Human figure size and scale up from that to create my Marine Army.......Imagine a true scale Dark Angels army, with proper scale Terminators and Characters etc!

Then I could in parallel get the sculptor to work on some really meaningful Primarchs!

Its an idea, and I'm not sure how the legals are on this sort of thing, even if I'm only doing it for me, and to give to some close friends. Then again, enough people are making Space Marine figures, like some of the Polish guys etc, and they're making money out of it, so I'm guessing I should be fairly safe!

my buddy Captain loken over at pre heresy forums say that gulman and Alpharus proboly looked simler look his reoning under one of the 2 convershtions for the last primarch  and please post pics 

Posted By Delephont on 03/29/2007 2:59 PM

Taking the project of the Primarchs one step further, I got talking to a friend of mine and he suggested something very interesting, and that was to create the base casts for scale "accurate" Marines and Primarchs. This probably sounds more difficult then it actually is, however, its pretty simple. We can draw the base Marine in CAD, and simple upscale it to what ever we want! I could get the moulds made and basically churn out as many variants as I wanted to create an army of "real" scale Marines. I could use the Imperial Guard figures as the standard Human figure size and scale up from that to create my Marine Army.......Imagine a true scale Dark Angels army, with proper scale Terminators and Characters etc!

Then I could in parallel get the sculptor to work on some really meaningful Primarchs!

You must have a lot of money laying around.

Posted By millest on 03/29/2007 12:50 AM

are we sure its not a case of some muppet writer using the term primarch instead of chapter master or founding master?

  Well, that's the most reasonable explanation.  Presumably the novel was vetted by Games Workshop's crack team of copy editors and continuity experts, though. 

  I just personally find it amusing when the Great Mysteries of 40K are punctured by some obscure reference. 

Guilliman didnt have the gauntlets calgar took them from a defeated chaos champion didnt he ?

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