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**Agamemnon2**

Posted By beef on 04/22/2007 9:49 PM
The marine with the lightning claw is great so is the one with the new style helmet and plasma pistol. Plus the pose of standing on a rock makes them look quite heroic. The powerfist guys sucks. Well actally his head suck. Enough bald SM sergents please. Give the a hairdo atleast. I am sure its not a pre requsit for sergents to be bold?

Well, if you're putting your helmet on in a hurry, the last thing you want is for your flowing locks to get stuck between the vacuum seal. Especially if vacuum is imminent.

**Gundammecha**

Posted By Agamemnon2 on 04/23/2007 12:31 AM

Posted By beef on 04/22/2007 9:49 PM
The marine with the lightning claw is great so is the one with the new style helmet and plasma pistol. Plus the pose of standing on a rock makes them look quite heroic. The powerfist guys sucks. Well actally his head suck. Enough bald SM sergents please. Give the a hairdo atleast. I am sure its not a pre requsit for sergents to be bold?

Well, if you're putting your helmet on in a hurry, the last thing you want is for your flowing locks to get stuck between the vacuum seal. Especially if vacuum is imminent.

Absolutely! And its sooo much easier to wash all that Xenos gore off your face when it doesn't get all stuck and matted in your hair...

**Frazzled**

I hate to say it, but the helmets and shoulder pads really are quite good.

**Azazelx**

Posted By WarsmithDave on 04/22/2007 7:27 PM
Hell, maybe its GWs new marketing campaign. Sell a set of models that are adequate and 2-3 yrs later come out with a new line that blows the old ones away. Just makes me wish GW would prioritize what NEEDS to be updated rather than these lame tricks to sell more of the most popular models. Even as a 50% power armoured army player I'm insulted by the idea that none of us will see through the facade. But then again they've never really cared what we think as long as we keep buying their minis. Sigh... now I've gone and depressed myself. Cheers!

You're joking, right? You're not seriously suggesting that they released "crap models" to "make us" buy them and now have released better ones to "make us" buy the new ones instead? Because if you are, that's real tinfoil hat territory. It's not like they've never shown us in every army book and WD/Web articles without number how to model your own funky vets with the various plastics.

They release and rerelease different sculpts of the same thing constantly, and I for one think the current vets are mostly quite nice models. I do agree that it seems pretty odd that they're replacing them so quickly, but I still hold my opinion that it's a result of needing some new models to accompany the SM Redux codex, and What is there that they really can push? Everything shy of Librarians, Techs and Chaplains (all of whom have been remade recently) is now in plastic, including the commander and apothecary. Metals use lots fewer longterm resources than plastics, they've already released the Venerable Dreads in metal.. Tac and Aslt squads make sense in plastic and they've just finished turning the scouts over. Leaving Veterans, which they can customise with all manner of interesting trinkets and artificer armour, tabards and scrolly bits, interesting weapon combos, etc. Short of another series of metal Veteran Sergeants (which these could actually be, remember) Vet marines/honor guard types are one of the few things that still make sense in metal for marines.

**Azazelx**

Posted By Pariah Press on 04/22/2007 11:56 PM

Posted By Breotan on 04/22/2007 8:35 PM
Looking at those figs, I wish they'd just do a plastic Mark 8 torso and be done with it. Really tired of the "sorta/almost/nearly/close enough" Mark 8 stuff.

Hasn't there been a plastic Mk8 torso in the tactical squad box for the last nine years?

Now that's using logic. Not allowed here when spreading the "h8".

**Alpharius**

It isn't quite MK8 armor...

A raised collar alone isn't enough to make it MK8.

MK8's got some funky arms and legs (I think) and the "armoured" belly cable/shielding.

**stonefox**

I was under the impression that the Mk8 comment was sarcastic. Is my meter turned on too high?

**dienekes96**

Hey, I'll get the models. I love new Marines, even some of these (I like the parts).

The barehead guy has a nice mug..."That was some of the best flying I've seen to date - right up to the part where you got killed." You young whippernsappers will give some lame Starship Troopers quote instead.

My first post was merely a way to spread some cheer while reporting the news. These will probably come out (if they do) as a nice little bonus with the SM Redux.

**Franco**

I think that a new space marine is very niegh. If vets are getting re-resculpt it seems to me that new space marine could be rather soon. Perhaps 5 edition soon after? It seems that with Jarvis interview that even gw is not happy with way things are going. Anyway I think the vindicator is the only thing that needs a re-do at this point which may be one of the oldest models out their beside a certain amount of gaurd, and the gorkamorka truck.

**Da Boss**

The reason you'll see so many Ork players groaning when we see (yet another) space marine redo, is that so many of our models have yet to even have a DO!
Skarboyz, Flash Gitz, Painboss, Cybork, Ammo Runt, Orderlies, Banna Wavas, Trakks and Buggies with a choice of more than mega blasta/big shoota, a Warboss in Mega Armour besides Ghaz, Guntrukks, Lootas, Battlewagons, looted vechicle kits, Zagstrukk, Snikrot, Nazdreg, Wazzdakka. WTF? Don't tell me not to complain okay? I feel pretty freaking justified in complaining. God it really pisses me off when people say stuff like that.
The warbike, buggie, trakk and trukk models are all 2nd edition for God's sake.

**nyarlathotep667**

But... but... they aren't SPASe MaHRunEZ!!! (hurr) are they? I meen, ZOMG, SPaSe MAhruNez are soo KEWL an make mee feel all tingly n' stuff but orks, gorsh, they are lik green and old and the armee Bruncle Jo playz (lol old peeple! He's 20!). An SPaSe MAhRUNEZ are PLAStiK TOO!!!! LOL! All dose metal orks, they too hard to konvert n things. :drools:

You know, if they renamed Warhammer 40k "Space Marine" it would be more accurate...

edit: I would like to say, as to the figures themselves, they look pretty good and are an improvement over the existing ones. This might be due to the unusually excellent paint jobs (it's nice to see the Heavy Metal team given time to do quality work), but for once it appears to be some 40k SM metals that aren't complete turds. So kudos there.

**Da Boss**

Yeah, the models are very pretty, as many of the new Space Marine models are. I like the sorta classical look they're going for these days.

**Toreador**

These do look a lot better done than the last. I liked the older vets gear and options, but the poses seemed off. Something about them was distorted.

**deitpike**

I really like the models with 2 exceptions

1- scar head guy- sorry, this guy's face looks like crap. the current guy looks bad-ass but this guy looks like a monkey.

2- Beakie head guy- love the beak, love the pose, but maybe it's just the pic, but his legs look way tiny

**Azazelx**

Posted By Alpharius on 04/23/2007 7:14 AM
It isn't quite MK8 armor...

A raised collar alone isn't enough to make it MK8.

MK8's got some funky arms and legs (I think) and the "armoured" belly cable/shielding.

Ok, that's a fair cop.

Mk 8 legs (in metal) had a cemicircular cutout in the "instep". But then again, the Mk 7 legs of the time didn't have the detailing (vents, plates, etc) that the plastics of today have. The arms were the same as today, but there was a little bit of cabling in the rear armpit/backpack knob on the metal figure, but then again cabling seems to be one of those optional bits of detail regardless of armour type. The armoured belly and a Mk7-ish helmet that fits properly into the raised collar (without a knifejob) are the main factors IMO.

Posted By Da Boss on 04/23/2007 8:13 AM
The reason you'll see so many Ork players groaning when we see (yet another) space marine redo, is that so many of our models have yet to even have a DO!
Skarboyz, Flash Gitz, Painboss, Cybork, Ammo Runt, Orderlies, Banna Wavas, Trakks and Buggies with a choice of more than mega blasta/big shoota, a Warboss in Mega Armour besides Ghaz, Guntrukks, Lootas, Battlewagons, looted vechicle kits, Zagstrukk, Snikrot, Nazdreg, Wazzdakka. WTF? Don't tell me not to complain okay? I feel pretty freaking justified in complaining. God it really pisses me off when people say stuff like that.
The warbike, buggie, trakk and trukk models are all 2nd edition for God's sake.

What do you want me to say here? Cry more, n00b? Seriously though, mate. I play Orks as well, and despite the lack of models for certain troop types, the thing that I like the most about da players of da boyz is that most of us at least are happy to kitbash some awesome figures and vehicles, well beyond anything GW will ever crank out for da ladz. Especially in light of the fact that the entire WFB Orc and Goblin range gives us free reign over a ton of other nice models to use. I also pointed out that I'd like to see Orks given some new stuff, but honestly, go check out the-waaagh to see what I'm talking about.

And, um, several of the things you're complaining haven't had "a do", have. "Looted vehicle kits"? What is that supposed to be? Surely you don't need your hand held to that extent? Orks are great because they offer so much more freedom from "codex" this and that. Nobody should need an "official GW Ork Looted bits sprue" to orkify a rhino or basilisk.

None of which has anything to do with a half-dozen new, nice sculpts of Space Marines. BFD.

**Gundammecha**

Posted By scipio.au on 04/23/2007 11:12 PM

What do you want me to say here? Cry more, n00b? Seriously though, mate. I play Orks as well, and despite the lack of models for certain troop types, the thing that I like the most about da players of da boyz is that most of us at least are happy to kitbash some awesome figures and vehicles, well beyond anything GW will ever crank out for da ladz. Especially in light of the fact that the entire WFB Orc and Goblin range gives us free reign over a ton of other nice models to use. I also pointed out that I'd like to see Orks given some new stuff, but honestly, go check out the-waaagh to see what I'm talking about. And, um, several of the things you're complaining haven't had "a do", have. "Looted vehicle kits"? What is that supposed to be? Surely you don't need your hand held to that extent? Orks are great because they offer so much more freedom from "codex" this and that. Nobody should need an "official GW Ork Looted bits sprue" to orkify a rhino or basilisk.None of which has anything to do with a half-dozen new, nice sculpts of Space Marines. BFD.

Great post! Finally a Pro Ork post that makes sense instead of incessiantly complaining.

Lets face it man most of the recent new GW plastics even for Marines have been pretty shoddy. Ohhhh my Dark Angels are now more Dark and sinister because they have plastic feathers... and my Black Templars are sooo Black Templars because they have little chains on their bolt guns... awww cute.

Great minis and brilliant armies can be made out of anything and should remain the domain of the collector. Its much better to create something truely unique yourself. Thats why even my Krieg stuff uses components from other ranges and Scale WW2 kits.

I think when GW redo the Orks they will undoubtably mess something up. And I'm sure even after the new release of the Codex people will still find things to complain about the new sprues. Like Scipio said theres so much amazing material out there for truly unique ork conversions. Not just GW and fantasy lines (that now have some great new stuff - just look at the potential for plastic Black Orcs) but also Rackham, and Privateer Press stuff too.

In my mind the only essential thing they need for is a revised paper codex, the rest model wise is limitless as it is.

**Da Boss**

Posted By scipio.au on 04/23/2007 11:12 PM

Posted By Da Boss on 04/23/2007 8:13 AM
The reason you'll see so many Ork players groaning when we see (yet another) space marine redo, is that so many of our models have yet to even have a DO!
Skarboyz, Flash Gitz, Painboss, Cybork, Ammo Runt, Orderlies, Banna Wavas, Trakks and Buggies with a choice of more than mega blasta/big shoota, a Warboss in Mega Armour besides Ghaz, Guntrukks, Lootas, Battlewagons, looted vechicle kits, Zagstrukk, Snikrot, Nazdreg, Wazzdakka. WTF? Don't tell me not to complain okay? I feel pretty freaking justified in complaining. God it really pisses me off when people say stuff like that.
The warbike, buggie, trakk and trukk models are all 2nd edition for God's sake.

What do you want me to say here? Cry more, n00b? Seriously though, mate. I play Orks as well, and despite the lack of models for certain troop types, the thing that I like the most about da players of da boyz is that most of us at least are happy to kitbash some awesome figures and vehicles, well beyond anything GW will ever crank out for da ladz. Especially in light of the fact that the entire WFB Orc and Goblin range gives us free reign over a ton of other nice models to use. I also pointed out that I'd like to see Orks given some new stuff, but honestly, go check out the-waaagh to see what I'm talking about.

And, um, several of the things you're complaining haven't had "a do", have. "Looted vehicle kits"? What is that supposed to be? Surely you don't need your hand held to that extent? Orks are great because they offer so much more freedom from "codex" this and that. Nobody should need an "official GW Ork Looted bits sprue" to orkify a rhino or basilisk.

None of which has anything to do with a half-dozen new, nice sculpts of Space Marines. BFD.

**Gundammecha**

Posted By Da Boss on 04/24/2007 5:18 AM

Sorry, but that's a load of bollocks. One could just as easily say that there should be no chapter specific sprues, as the players can convert them, or that there shouldn't be models for venerable dreads or veterans, because Marine players should enjoy conversions. I do enjoy conversions,

That kind of attitude is what lets GW get away with their lazy attitude.

As for using Warhammer Fantasy battle, why the hell should I be forced to? What I'm asking for is not unreasonable.

Fact is, marine players are much better treated by GW than the players of any other faction, and it stinks.

Thats an interesting point about marines, infact you could argue that there should be no chapter specific sprues. I never used any in any of my marine armies. The problem with upgrade sprues is it often means sacrificing quality to silly gimicks or novelties.

How is being creative and inventive and enjoying a wide diverse source of material (GW and non GW) enforcing a lazy attitude in GW? Sorry my man but money speaks. Marines are popular because they are possibly the most original GW Intellectual Property. They are definately some of the the most iconic 40k imagery.

Why should you use Fantasy models for convos? Well... because they have some great models! Why the hell not? Thats like saying why should I use a leather football if I've got an air floater? No what your asking for isn't unreasonable not at all but if you look around you can make a good thing out of this current release drought model wise. Also the whole background and nature of orks are very different from other factions. They really encourage this kind of model making and converting more so than anyone else, and its essentila i think if Orks are to have a strong 40k identity that is more than simply Space Orcs.

Marines are treated better than any other faction? I beg to differ. Tau have a great range of models as do Eldar and Tyranids. Even Guard have a strong line of minis. Marines may get upgrade sprues and codex variations but Guard got a whole new army in metal with the Vostroyans recently to add onto Catachans, Cadians, Valhallans, Moridan Iron Guard, Tallarns, Death Korp (if we include FW product). As well as loads of Inquisition releases. Yet I don't hear anyone complaining about Vostroyans.

**Da Boss**

It lets GW get away with not filling out the range, because it gives them the excuse of "oh, but the ork players luuuuurve converting, no need to release skarboys or any of the special characters except ghaz. They'll happily convert 'em!"
Stuff like the Iron hands boxed set, or the multiple remakes of old units makes me sick.
And dude, marines have a codex to themselves, and then a codex where they wear dresses and ride motorcycles, a codex where getting shot makes them faster, a codex where they're all crazy vampires and a codex where they're all mad werewolf vikings.
Actually, a better point on the looted vechicles would be- why do we need chaos rhinos/land raiders/preds/dreads? Surely the chaos players don't need us to hold their hands this much?

**dienekes96**

Here's why Marine players are better treated...

We're better hobbyists.

I'm sorry, but it's true. We paint better, we play better, we convert better, we roll better, we min/max better, we fluff better, we buy better, and we are probably even better people.

Pretty simple,
Chuck

**stonefox**

So what I'm getting out of this thread is this:

1. I should be thankful to GW if I ever needed to create my own models. GW, as a miniatures company, should stick to making awesome rules and background while I convert my own because I have a huge imagination and should run wild with it. Also I should definitely use models from another model range if my model range doesn't have them.

2. That Tau are getting sept-specific sprues and bits because we're being treated so well and the marines, eldar, orks, and IG all have different factions, so we should too!

3. That I should be grateful that the Tau background which encourages experimentation and scientific/rational progress doesn't leave me creating my own models, just like the Orks are forced to do. I mean, those orks are really all about making something out of scrap, much like Tau are all about progressing their designs. Or am I getting this part wrong and the Tau way would be to create molds of existing figures, cast them, and improve upon the design?

4. Awesome marine stuff. Really glad they got their heads out of the gutter and started cranking out new marine models since Tau and Eldar have been taking up creative resources long enough!

edit: "I'm sorry, but it's true. We paint better, we play better, we convert better, we roll better, we min/max better, we fluff better, we buy better, and we are probably even better people."

I knew it! You guys get access to exclusive Games Days where it's an all-marine sausagefest too, right? (Lots of fluffing there, I suppose?)

**Da Boss**

Posted By dienekes96 on 04/24/2007 6:54 AM
Here's why Marine players are better treated...

We're better hobbyists.

I'm sorry, but it's true. We paint better, we play better, we convert better, we roll better, we min/max better, we fluff better, we buy better, and we are probably even better people.

Pretty simple,
Chuck

gak you're right. Sorry.
I'll get back to my role as the amusing foil to your heroic endevours.
Don't mind me.

**H.B.M.C.**

Posted By dienekes96 on 04/24/2007 6:54 AM
We're better hobbyists.

I'm sorry, but it's true. We paint better, we play better, we convert better, we roll better, we min/max better, we fluff better, we buy better, and we are probably even better people.

And, apparently, every day we become a little bit more like Mauleed.

Way to go Chuck.

BYE

**dienekes96**

Posted By stonefox on 04/24/2007 6:54 AM

I knew it! You guys get access to exclusive Games Days where it's an all-marine sausagefest too, right? (Lots of fluffing there, I suppose?)

Actually, it's where GW shows us all of the great concepts/unreleased minis they have for Orks/Tau/Eldar and ask us for recommendations.

Thumbs down,

Chuck

**Gundammecha**

Posted By stonefox on 04/24/2007 6:54 AM

So what I'm getting out of this thread is this:

1. I should be thankful to GW if I ever needed to create my own models. GW, as a miniatures company, should stick to making awesome rules and background while I convert my own because I have a huge imagination and should run wild with it. Also I should definitely use models from another model range if my model range doesn't have them.

2. That Tau are getting sept-specific sprues and bits because we're being treated so well and the marines, eldar, orks, and IG all have different factions, so we should too!

3. That I should be grateful that the Tau background which encourages experimentation and scientific/rational progress doesn't leave me creating my own models, just like the Orks are forced to do. I mean, those orks are really all about making something out of scrap, much like Tau are all about progressing their designs. Or am I getting this part wrong and the Tau way would be to create molds of existing figures, cast them, and improve upon the design?

4. Awesome marine stuff. Really glad they got their heads out of the gutter and started cranking out new marine models since Tau and Eldar have been taking up creative resources long enough!

edit: "I'm sorry, but it's true. We paint better, we play better, we convert better, we roll better, we min/max better, we fluff better, we buy better, and we are probably even better people."

I knew it! You guys get access to exclusive Games Days where it's an all-marine sausagefest too, right? (Lots of fluffing there, I suppose?)

This is nonsense. I simply pointed out that Marines aren't the only range that gets good and or new models.

I'm sorry man but you cant deny that Tau and Eldar now have much better ranges than before. Whilst we may all want to jump on the marines are the spawn of satan band wagon the fact is that marines basic plastic sprues haven't changed since 1998. What we do have are upgrade sprues, and a few metal blisters of different specialist troop types Some of those were even much needed like new chaplains and libarians.

Tau have a really wide all plastic line now and arguably one of the best, I should know I'm a Tau player! look at the Tau 100 pound battle force. Plastic stealthsuits, pihranas, Sky Ray, then add on all the cool FW stuff. Eldar also got a good deal out of the last codex update, those are some amazing minis man. And finally harlies.

And Tau don't need sept specific sprues, for the greater good man.

Really you lot will complain about everything.

**Gundammecha**

Posted By dienekes96 on 04/24/2007 7:02 AM

Posted By stonefox on 04/24/2007 6:54 AM

I knew it! You guys get access to exclusive Games Days where it's an all-marine sausagefest too, right? (Lots of fluffing there, I suppose?)

Actually, it's where GW shows us all of the great concepts/unreleased minis they have for Orks/Tau/Eldar and ask us for recommendations.

Thumbs down,

Chuck

Hahaha brilliant!

nice to see some humour in the thread

**Da Boss**

Of course I'm complaining- my model range is incomplete.
If there were no models for terminators, do you not think Marine players would complain?
More on topic, what do you think tore open the guy's face? The scarring looks pretty fresh to me.

**H.B.M.C.**

Posted By Da Boss on 04/24/2007 7:20 AM
More on topic, what do you think tore open the guy's face? The scarring looks pretty fresh to me.

He went to scratch his eyebrow and forgot to turn his powerfist off?

BYE

**Da Boss**

Yeah, or one of the guys with lightning claws was going for a high five and missed.
Dangerous business, in the Emperors Space Matines.
I wonder do the sculptors and painters ever ger bored of constantly working on various marine models?
I know I probably would.

**stonefox**

Gundamecha - Nonsense? THIS IS (insert two-syllabic word that fits here)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, it's where GW shows us all of the great concepts/unreleased minis they have for Orks/Tau/Eldar and ask us for recommendations.

Ah. So the fluffers go to the people who put forward the best recommendations?

I wonder do the sculptors and painters ever ger bored of constantly working on various marine models?

The floggings will continue until everyone has met the marine quota!