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That is basically what I figured, just a lot more detailed. So would the third legion that fought against him built using Fulgrim's geneseed at first? Or was it rebuilt with his geneseed? If it wasn't his geneseed from the beginning, then who' was it?

snorkle wrote:That is basically what I figured, just a lot more detailed. So would the third legion that fought against him built using Fulgrim's geneseed at first? Or was it rebuilt with his geneseed? If it wasn't his geneseed from the beginning, then who' was it?

Yes, I believe that the third Legion was made from Fulgrim's gene-seed. Also, when you consider that there were only two hundred alive from two Legions, I think that the it is likely that the Emperor was responsible for the destruction of his own Legion to cover things up.

Something along the lines of...

Dark Angels and Emperor's Children (Legion II) destroy Legion III (though the Emperor's Children take part in most of the fighting) then the Emperor gets the Dark Angels to destroy the Emperor's Children. This has resulted in all evidence of the Emperor's gene-seed being used in the Legions being destroyed. He then rebuilds a Legion using Fulgrims geneseed and names them the Emperors Children (now Legion III) and gives them the sole use of the Aquilla since he still sort of considers them his Legion. He decides to delete all records of his old Legion (Legion II) because any examination of the gene-seed would lead back to him, showing he was a Primarch.

The two hundred survivors from the 'accident' were all the Emperor had got round to making since rebuilding the Legion.

Personally, I think the simplest explanation is that Legion II and Legion XI turned traitor prior to the Horus Heresy, and for that were permanently expunged from the records. While the traitor legions of the Horus Heresy did horrific things, we still have records of them. This suggests a couple things:

1) Legions II and XI did things so much more egregious than the traitor legions of the HH that much more work was put into deleting any trace of them from the records. (unlikely)
2) The scale of the HH was such that even if the Imperium tried to cover it up, it would be impossible to do so. (more probable)
3) Legions II and XI turned traitor early enough that it was a simpler task to delete any trace of them. (more probable)

Because of the extent that the Emperor and the Imperium went through to remove traces of Legions II and XI, I really don't think that there's any remaining connection between these Legions and any existing Chapters. I mean, if the Emperor was going to delete all records of these Legions, would he allow any survivors of those Legions? Would he allow any of their geneseed to be saved? I doubt it. I think for the scale of deletion we're talking that the Emperor would have virus-bombed worlds to eliminate the taint. And frankly, I imagine he would have done this to try to keep any of the other Primarchs from getting any ideas (not that that worked).

I think that these Legions will remain a mystery. I don't foresee GW ever answering the question of who these Legions were and I don't think they've ever in the past answered the question of who they were. But then, I didn't think Marvel would every reveal the true past of Wolverine, so what do I know?

Daemonslave: That's interesting, but more of a conspiracy-theory speculation rather than supported by any 40k texts.

To answer the OP, we don't know. They may never have been found, they may have turned traitor before Horus, or they may have been destroyed in battle prior to the HH. They are intentially leaving it a mystery so we can have this fluff discussion over and over and over again.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Ozymandias wrote:To answer the OP, we don't know. They may never have been found, they may have turned traitor before Horus, or they may have been destroyed in battle prior to the HH. They are intentially leaving it a mystery so we can have this fluff discussion over and over and over again.

And over and over and over and over...

Kinda not on your subject completely, but a cool themed army for Chaos would be Malal. Hes a chaos god hated and feared by the other 4. Wiki him, hes got some cool fluff. He is a chaos god who fights the other 4.

My theory is that the missing legions are just dead legions whose Primarchs were never found and their geneseed died out.
Why this would need a full deletion of all records I don't know but tis a possibility.

Though I like the conspiracy theory idea.

Haven't we heard from the HH series of books (or maybe somewhere else?) that ALL of the Primarchs were in fact found?

Alpharius wrote:Haven't we heard from the HH series of books (or maybe somewhere else?) that ALL of the Primarchs were in fact found?

i think one of them is talked about vaguely as being foudn the other one appears to have been messed with by horus while still in the lunar labs during (as i've said before) his little trip back in time

Kriszilla wrote:I doubt it will be the Blood Ravens, as it's already been revealed that they are in fact made from the geneseed of pre-heresy Thousand Sons, not a seperate Primarch.

When did this happen? Just curious as it was my pet theory, and almost everyone on Dakka lambasted me for holding the theory.

its not confiremd anywhere just rumoured in one of the books about the blood Ravens, but i would point out that they are always listed as at least 2nd founding/

Oh, I knew they weren't an original legion, I was just wondering if it were finally revealed what their parent legion was.

I always thought it was the 1k sons, and was mostly lambasted for it. Just curious if my pet theory proved true or not.

It's been rumored strongly in the fiction that they were created from loyalist Thousand Sons geneseed. Nothing has yet been confirmed however.

Oh how I would LOVE to rub everyones noses in it if that's proven to be the case.

This is a very odd theory about the missing Primarchs but here goes- If the Primarchs were menat to each emphasise part of the Emporer or Humanity's psyke (Fulgrim=perfection,Angron=anger,Guillman=Boring, no wait, planning) then in theory wouldn't one have emphaisesed the Emperors Feminine side? In which case couldn't the sisters of battle or 31st millenia counterparts been one of the legions?

Of the other, I don't know, maybe been the anti-Emperor, or a pariah- so had to be killed because of this?

I' going to get so ridiculed for this..!

Storm Lord wrote:Guillman=Boring, no wait, planning)

Look, if your eyes start glazing over the minute you hear the words "logistical support," "supply line," or "recruitment goals," you have no business leading a company of little plastic men into battle!

Storm Lord wrote:This is a very odd theory about the missing Primarchs but here goes- If the Primarchs were menat to each emphasise part of the Emporer or Humanity's psyke (Fulgrim=perfection,Angron=anger,Guillman=Boring, no wait, planning) then in theory wouldn't one have emphaisesed the Emperors Feminine side? In which case couldn't the sisters of battle or 31st millenia counterparts been one of the legions?

Of the other, I don't know, maybe been the anti-Emperor, or a pariah- so had to be killed because of this?

I' going to get so ridiculed for this..!

that was the rainbow marines IMO. most people say they weren't a first founding, but i think being openly feminine would make them get erased from all records, which one chapter has had done to them

Bastirous666 wrote:that was the rainbow marines IMO. most people say they weren't a first founding, but i think being openly feminine would make them get erased from all records, which one chapter has had done to them

Rainbows are feminine?

no just the other stuff about them. they used little kittens and pink backrounds to all their heraldry. they also tended to prance about quite often.

huh, never expected anyone to support that theory...
Are the rianbow Marines those ones with a picture that when anyone sees they want to laugh? or am I thinking of something different?

maybe one of the primarchs was a grot like creature to represents the emporors weak side

The emperor has no weak side... who do you think he is? (Chuck Norris by the way, how else could he have defeated Russ in battle?) Those pics of him in the Rulebook are just an artists interpretation of him, seeing as the only thing alive that remebers him that is imperial is Bjorn fo the Space Wolves, and good luck getting him to draw you a picture...

(oh and Storm, its that picture. Though the actual paint job of the Chapter/Legion was black.)

I also like Revenant's theory as he's written in his Rise of the Tau story on Black Library. His version is that the 2 missing Primarchs were psychic nulls, which somehow supports the C'tan (he explained it better). The Emperor figured this link out and tried to destroy them, but he failed thus creating the Void Knights or Champions (I read it a while ago). This lead to them being deleted from the records.

The feminine side is logical (sort of). But the fluff on space marine creation doesn't support it.

Im pretty sure his femine side was in the Emperors Children legion, they are some fethed up kids...

I'm not really very big on how SM are created, just that it happens. Although chances are the Emperor would have been able to adjust the process to work for women, afterall he's meant to be 'godlike'

I think Fulgrim would have a fit if he heard you say that!

Yah but what kind of Space Marine wears pink? Even the Rainbow warriors colours aren't pink! Heck they are black! Defeinately the emperors children, that and it would explain their affinity for pain, and pleasure. (They are just a legion of little emo girls amirite?)

the emperors children were originally purple, they changed after they became devoted to slaanesh and a daemon took over fulgrim's body.

Outside the imperial palace there was 20 statues of the Primarchs, by the time of the HH 2 had been forgotten. Apparently they fought on both sides of the HH but no one knows.

How do you mean forgotten? As in the statues were missing, or people litterally forgot the statues were there even when they were next to the others? Or people just forgot their names?

my favorite theory for the missing Primarchs is they landed on alien worlds ie ork, eldar, hrudd or even necron.

think of the possiblitys the most powerful digganob is found to be a primarch the emp finds him and puts him in charge of a legion of sm and tells him to forget his orkish ways, but he rebells starting a massive waaaagh heading out into space to take the galaxy for himself!!!

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