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Space_hoppo wrote:Even though he went in on his own?

I should argue as primarch he got the best bike ever,nuclear engine,never need fuel or such.

But its more likely a few vets managed to follow him. If not , he wouldn't challenge a whole world without support.
A white scar is a hunter- type marine,so its tactical doctrine to reconnoiter first and then decide where to attack.

Yeah but they are also head strong at times and i wouldn't really put it past him.

I agree whit space_hoppo on the head strong part I se him charge power plants an stufe on his own

Still doesn't mean Vect and Dark Eldar killed him. otherwise many other Primarchs should have died during the Great crusade. But agreed that he was a bit stupid/head strong to attack the Dark Eldar homeworld/capital place

Since jaghatai attacked them, DE look sour because he managed to escape and they really
hated been bulldozed from a white scar biker.

Well seeing as the DE arnt dead, we can assume that he is or else there wouldn't be any of them left alive.

DE alive proofs nothing .

It proves that they havn't been killed.

Not dead yet,those DE,but new SM dex may have new white scar fluff.
Oh, remember DE got to wait for their dex a very long
period,makes them Not so important.

Finally,no primarch has ever been bested by xenos.

I think Sanguinius getting his ass handed to him by a Daemon counts.

Sanguinius was killed by Horus, demonically posessed and a Demon are a different thing. He did break a Bloodthirster over his knee, GD's aren't much of a problem for Primarch's.

No before Horus, he has both of his legs broken by a Daemon, it also caused the start of the black rage.

Space_hoppo wrote:No before Horus, he has both of his legs broken by a Daemon, it also caused the start of the black rage.

Demons count NOT as xenos.
Demons count NOT as xenos.
Demons count NOT as xenos.

They may feed on xeno emotions and souls.Some of them got their existence by fault of xenos.

The event with the chaos-world infested by khorne demons was a trap to cripple the BA before the heresy.
But the BA won and got even to Terra to defend the palace.So not the BA got down,the traitors plan failed.
Sanguinius was full operational then,wich makes the received wounds worthless.

Ok so they dont count as Xenos then. Well no Xenos were around at the time of the HH to kill then (Eldar and Dark Eldar busy crying, Nids not arriving, Tau not a race, Ork's getting owned, Necrons still asleepng.

The emperor fought with Horus at his side against Orks. This happened when he only had one primarch found.

But it had the Emperor, he can beat any ork. He's not a Primarch.

Space_hoppo wrote:But it had the Emperor, he can beat any ork. He's not a Primarch.

But its said they 2 battled the mightiest waaaghboss and his green horde with only a few marines.
A real beast,this ork had his chance but got kicked and thrown away from the rooftop.
This early battle means that the ork-threat was always there and the crusade fought often against xenos.
Emperor = =

don't forget Horus part in the brawl.

An ork nearly Strangled the Emperor, so he's not invincible regardless of common beleif

If it strangled him to death Horus would have taken over and then there would be no HH so the Imperium wouldn't be screwed as much.

Storm Lord wrote:An ork nearly Strangled the Emperor, so he's not invincible regardless of common beleif

Never have to be, some billion guardsmen and thousands of space marines back him up!

for the emperor

Space_hoppo wrote:If it strangled him to death Horus would have taken over and then there would be no HH so the Imperium wouldn't be screwed as much.

:S There would be no imperium to be screwed.

Horus got his command from the emperor,he wasn't really sure if it was a good choice to make him warmaster.
When this battle happened, it was only 1 found primarch,so a HH couldn't come.
but if there is no imperium and no HH,there is also no surviving Humanity.
Any more "screwed" situation thinkable as to got wiped out?

When I mentioned the strangle incident it was more to illustrate the point that the Imperium Worships someone who must have nearly died countless times, and only survived because of what would become his worst enemy helping him. The same could be said of the Imperium. if they just put aside their beleif that nothing can beat them totally and worked with either the tau or Eldar for arguments sake then they could survive. Its their sole beleif that humanity is supreme that will destroy them eventually

Yes but Horus was good until the Wor Bearers got annoyed with the Emperor, went to Chaos and decided to bring Horus with them. Yeah they dont like the Tau, they think the are witches, have you seen the Imperial Guard uplifters book (it's commanly called toilet paper). It views the Eldar as skinny Bitches, and the Tau as being spiders living on webs and 'eating the Brains of your kids.'

Mind you it also says that a Railgun at full blast is the same as a Lasgun hot-shot shot, maybe that should go in the Lasguns and their uses however...

@Stormlord :
Eldar won't ally with humans,they think of "mon'keigh" and
you know this Word
Tau are Not an option.themselves took as "first between equals",so
"Gu'ela" may get a citizen 2nd class role wich is not acceptable for a
major race.
I will go the clear path: Eldar=only use others, Tau=blue communist ants Not reliable allies.

However still by your reconning they will work with the Imperium for anti Chaos purposes etc, so still take a form of alliance with them. Of course no races can form true alliances, heck, even some of the Craftworlds have been at war with each other.

Storm Lord wrote:However still by your reconning they will work with the Imperium for anti Chaos purposes etc, so still take a form of alliance with them. Of course no races can form true alliances, heck, even some of the Craftworlds have been at war with each other.

Thats the fun of 40k: you can still battle your own people this time and form an alliance next time.I hope someday this
good/evil divide on ally-charts is widened with neutrals.

side A: all SM,IG,Inq. / Eldar/ Tau
side B: CSM,LatD,demons/DE
side C: Orks/Necron/nids

A= to protect and serve their empires faction
B= let the galaxy burn faction
C= free to chose sides faction
or ?

Aye Craftworlds do fight over little Eldar things. But any Alliance wouldn't work as it would be very hard to set aside all their differences.

You don't have to set aside all differences for an alliance. Coalition Governments seem to make it work ok, well, to a degree any way. Same with the Allies in WW2, didn't like Communism but still worked with Russia

Storm Lord wrote:You don't have to set aside all differences for an alliance. Coalition Governments seem to make it work ok, well, to a degree any way.

You can even work the same goal without any formed alliance. Just fight the same enemy and ignore existing
differences. Makes fascinating teams if free to choose whom to side.

OT:

Same with the Allies in WW2, didn't like Communism but still worked with Russia

They had got the result after. Obvious end when siding with expansionistic empires.
/OT