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I think one of the Missing Primachs is With AL . Cause there the Same bulid and everything and way to identical. The Legion has always been shadey. Why would it say the other Primach is here. When they could use him. Omegen is the 19th Primach IMO.

And the other one no Idea.

As for there Legions the ones never Claimed. They probelly just got shuffled into a different Legion Like UltraMarines lol.

Or, as me and my friends like to beleive, the Emp put them into one of those storage places you get these days, just incase of future need. or so Guillman couldn't codex them...

haha. Nice

As in the statues had been worn away and the name tags were missing so maybe someone pinched them. Maybe the Emperor was drunk when he found them and killed them and couldnt admit it so he denied all existence of them up until now...

haha yea could be.

haha yea could be.

Howdy, first time poster, long time reader.

Firstly, Demonslave, that work is impressive to say the least. Seriously, awesome job man.

Secondly, I don't know if I agree with your conspiracy theory about the two Emperors:

- You quote Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness as saying that the Heresy was the first inter-legionary war; however, this altercation between legions would have had to occur long before the Heresy. I suppose that the new Emperor could have had the records changed and refer to the Heresy as the first Marine-on-Marine war (or they just think of that incident as a police-action ), but...

- ...what of the Custodes? Weren't they already established prior to the conquest of Mars? I imagine that they would have had something to say about this whole "deposing and replacing the Emperor thing". I honestly can't quite remember, but I thought that they were around by that time.

- Also (though not directly tied to your theory), I think that the known Primarchs did know something about the missing Primarchs, as Dorn notes that those legions suffered separate tragedies when he's off pondering in The Lightning Tower. Again, they might only think that they know what happened, but it seems pretty clear that Dorn thinks he knows something.

Yes/No?

- ...what of the Custodes? Weren't they already established prior to the conquest of Mars? I imagine that they would have had something to say about this whole "deposing and replacing the Emperor thing". I honestly can't quite remember, but I thought that they were around by that time.

Custodes were the emperors personal guard since he had any space marine available.

- Also (though not directly tied to your theory), I think that the known Primarchs did know something about the missing Primarchs, as Dorn notes that those legions suffered separate tragedies when he's off pondering in The Lightning Tower. Again, they might only think that they know what happened, but it seems pretty clear that Dorn thinks he knows something.

Yes/No?

Thats 10 millenia back and you can't ask dorn today.
Any event,tragic or not, must not involve imperials. Back then,there is a galaxy to conquer,full of xenos and organizations not willing to compliance.

Lost legions are not extinct or lost forever, they can return when we play wh50k

But realism says, gw has done the right decision to hold back 2 legions and got a mystery for the fans.

Sad but true. However one day when new writers come into the fold of writing rulebooks and codexes etc, one day someone will let something slip. besides I believe GW already has loads of fluf about the 2 lost primarchs and are l;etting it out piecemeal and no-ones got enougth yet to make any sense out of it, or the patience to read all the stuff produced

OT:
GW already has lost some writers (chambers,thorpe,..) now. Does anyone know more about the guy mentioned as
co-author for codex SM ?
/OT

I think its possible to drop some fluff about the missing 2 primarchs.
All known primarchs are in stasis/on holiday/play demonprince and its obvious that a changed crew
can interprete existing background different. 5th Ed and new codices may not be "copy and paste" writings.

They rarely are, sadly I don't know who wrote the SM one, just the Imperial Monkeys one, even though that hasn't got a release date yet

A german site on the interweb just changed dates of release. IG is said for mid 2009. Don't know how reliable.

probably quite reliable, its unlikely it would have been mentioned in WD (albeit slightly) if a release date wasn't planned, just not published in all GW things

Sounds odd. they always brag about the count down to the new dex, so we'll have to wait and see about the las gun mark 2. Dont forget how powerful the IG were long ago.

Invisdable wrote:Howdy, first time poster, long time reader.

Firstly, Demonslave, that work is impressive to say the least. Seriously, awesome job man.

Thank you very much.

Secondly, I don't know if I agree with your conspiracy theory about the two Emperors:

- You quote Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness as saying that the Heresy was the first inter-legionary war; however, this altercation between legions would have had to occur long before the Heresy. I suppose that the new Emperor could have had the records changed and refer to the Heresy as the first Marine-on-Marine war (or they just think of that incident as a police-action ), but...

Maybe there wasn't a war. Maybe the Emperor (The New Man who is noted as liking to stay in the shadows throughout human history) gave up the reigns to the first Primarch he came across and changed the records to accomodate this (using the Dark Angels and Emperors Children to destroy Legion 2 [the evidence with the geneseed link]). Afterall, a Primarch sized guy is going to struggle to not get noticed from 8000BC until 30,000AD.

- ...what of the Custodes? Weren't they already established prior to the conquest of Mars? I imagine that they would have had something to say about this whole "deposing and replacing the Emperor thing". I honestly can't quite remember, but I thought that they were around by that time.

If they witnessed the passing of power then they may have also swapped alleigence, with a few remaining to guard the New Man [Kind of like Malcador is always accompanied by Custodes ]

- Also (though not directly tied to your theory), I think that the known Primarchs did know something about the missing Primarchs, as Dorn notes that those legions suffered separate tragedies when he's off pondering in The Lightning Tower. Again, they might only think that they know what happened, but it seems pretty clear that Dorn thinks he knows something.

Well what they know and what they are told happened are completely different things.

Daemonslave wrote:Maybe there wasn't a war. Maybe the Emperor (The New Man who is noted as liking to stay in the shadows throughout human history) gave up the reigns to the first Primarch he came across and changed the records to accomodate this (using the Dark Angels and Emperors Children to destroy Legion 2 [the evidence with the geneseed link]). Afterall, a Primarch sized guy is going to struggle to not get noticed from 8000BC until 30,000AD.

But why would he need to destroy the legion? If he gave up power, then there doesn't seem any real reason to hide all this information. There certainly isn't anything damning about it.

Daemonslave wrote:If [the custodes] witnessed the passing of power then they may have also swapped alleigence, with a few remaining to guard the New Man [Kind of like Malcador is always accompanied by Custodes ]

If power was ceded to the first Primarch, then that makes sense but, I still don't understand why this switch would need to be kept secret.

Daemonslave wrote:Well what they know and what they are told happened are completely different things.

True, but my point was more that Dorn had to be told something about them since he thought that their tragedies were separate.

As a side note, whether or not the Imperial-switchero occurred with Legion II, what do you think happened to the other one? My guess is that accident during warp travel deposited them in the Starcraft universe.

Btw the Emperor was born in 8000BC for the first time, he died and was reborn, gradually merging his lifes into one. So it would just be a tall well built man who would get old and die. And there are a few Primarchs left alive, Horus who was the first to be found is dead. But Lion El'Johnson and Roboute Guilliman are still alive and allied to the Imperium, it's just they cant talk. Because 1 is asleep waiting to lead his legion to glory the other is in status field with a slowly healing cut across his neck.

Space_hoppo wrote:Btw the Emperor was born in 8000BC for the first time, he died and was reborn, gradually merging his lifes into one. So it would just be a tall well built man who would get old and die. And there are a few Primarchs left alive, Horus who was the first to be found is dead. But Lion El'Johnson and Roboute Guilliman are still alive and allied to the Imperium, it's just they cant talk. Because 1 is asleep waiting to lead his legion to glory the other is in status field with a slowly healing cut across his neck.

Others are to return if needed: Russ,Dorn,Corax,Jaghatai,Vulkan. Lost are only 2 : sanguinius,ferrus.
Traitors must be counted as demons,they forfeit their position! Only fulgrim may be saved if you can
pull his demon out.

Dorn is dead, they have his hand however and all the Chapter masters have to sign it Jaghatai is stuck chasing down dark eldar, russ left to go somewhere and hasnt been seen since, Vulkan has gone as well and Corax went to the Eye of Terror on his own, They arnt immortal they do die of old age as well.

Invisdable wrote:


But why would he need to destroy the legion? If he gave up power, then there doesn't seem any real reason to hide all this information. There certainly isn't anything damning about it.

By giving up power quietly on the sly, the New Man removes himself from the eyes of those who might seek to destroy him, such as the Chaos Gods or Eldar, etc. This allows him to continue whatever plans he has [Ascension to godhood? Destruction of the Chaos Gods?] while a Primarch runs his empire.

The Heresy has caused the Chaos Gods to become complacent, they think that this New Man is out of commision when all they have done is remove the threat posed by a Primarch.

Space_hoppo wrote:Dorn is dead, they have his hand however and all the Chapter masters have to sign it Jaghatai is stuck chasing down dark eldar, russ left to go somewhere and hasn't been seen since, Vulkan has gone as well and Corax went to the Eye of Terror on his own, They aren't immortal they do die of old age as well.

Russ and corax and vulkan lurking already interweb forums,so they will know what you called them.

Jaghatai can return with C: DE ? no?

I'm sure they wait in a timeless environment. They had to leave because it was clear what can happen when
citizens worship someone and they wanted not to be gods.

No he was killed by Vect for fun. He wouldnt live there for long. And if they are lurking the forums then they can read this. GO HELP YOUR POOR LEGIONS, THEY ARE LONELY!!!! Maybe the Primarchs got bored of the Imperium of man and left to the warp, as they say time goes differently there, maybe they could still be alive.

I doubt Vect would have the power to Kill a primarch, not even Avatars and Greater Daemons seem to be able to do it, and when they do with extreme difficulty. To say Vect killed Jaghatai Khan you may as well say one of the missing Primarchs was killed by Grots when he was found. It just fails to add up

It would be Vect and 500,000 DE really annoyed with the Galaxy. Beseide we all know that the orginal Khan (Gengis Khan) died of a nosebleed in his sleep. So it would be possible for them to Kill him.

Space_hoppo wrote:It would be Vect and 500,000 DE really annoyed with the Galaxy. Beseide we all know that the orginal Khan (Gengis Khan) died of a nosebleed in his sleep. So it would be possible for them to Kill him.

Jhagatai got a nosebleed and died?

The "original" khan didn't die from a nosebleed, he had something unknown to his people.(Find his grave and
some archeologist will buy you every mini you desire for the correct location).

A primarch is not so crazy to get killed by 500000 lousy gothic emo space elves.

But he was crazy enough to charge headlong into the webway on a bike.

A ELITE biker like Jhagatai could drive slalom between DE,got em confused and wins.

What happens when he runs out of fuel?

A white scar will lend him one. They can exchange their ride as nomads do with horses.

Even though he went in on his own?