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well i have two armys the first is IG just like the book says man fighting some wild things . I have great respect of them, some the folks on here can say the same when i was in Iraq and wasn't playing spotter i was ground mounted Infantry and when you get shot at the first time you know what the IG are feeling its not fun a rush maybe but not fun.

My 2nd is 1000 Sons there story is the best trying to warn the emperor and they get branded heretics very sad. and Ahriman the best charter in the game kicks some eldar
thats my two

Delephont wrote:

dornsfist wrote: Also, the space marines most closely resemble the US military IMO.

Really? In what respect? I wouldn't proffess to be a specialist in the US Military, but based on the fluff of the Marines in terms of attitude, physique, etc....I can find very little parallel to any modern force worldwide? I can't imagine any sensible US Soldier of any department willingly giving his life for "INSERT NAME OF PRESIDENT HERE"......or assaulting a gun emplacement with a combat knife screaming..."for the "INSERT NAME" administration"....can you?

I would suggest Cadians or Elysian Drop troopers to be more akin to US / Modern military forces. Space Marines are like a mix between "ye olde English knights", Terminator and Superman.....with a massive emphasis on the "ye olde English knight"......with respect, not many American soldiers purposfully mimick these traits....and lets face it, who'd want to?

I said IMO, just like you are expressing your opinion. But look at the US soldier to find the parallel. Each single member is highly trained, equiped with the best weapons technology known to man, small combat squads can hold their own versus any force, combined units tactics, etc, etc.

As far as your inability to imagine US soldiers assaulting gun emplacements and willingly sacrificing their lives following the orders of the government, pull your head out of arse and refresh your history knowledge. Ever heard of D-day? Or how about Iwo Jima? Sorry if it sounds harsh, but you obviously have never had the privilege of knowing anyone who has served (and died) in our military. You disgust me.

dornsfist wrote:

Delephont wrote:

dornsfist wrote: Also, the space marines most closely resemble the US military IMO.

Really? In what respect? I wouldn't proffess to be a specialist in the US Military, but based on the fluff of the Marines in terms of attitude, physique, etc....I can find very little parallel to any modern force worldwide? I can't imagine any sensible US Soldier of any department willingly giving his life for "INSERT NAME OF PRESIDENT HERE"......or assaulting a gun emplacement with a combat knife screaming..."for the "INSERT NAME" administration"....can you?

I would suggest Cadians or Elysian Drop troopers to be more akin to US / Modern military forces. Space Marines are like a mix between "ye olde English knights", Terminator and Superman.....with a massive emphasis on the "ye olde English knight"......with respect, not many American soldiers purposfully mimick these traits....and lets face it, who'd want to?

I said IMO, just like you are expressing your opinion. But look at the US soldier to find the parallel. Each single member is highly trained, equiped with the best weapons technology known to man, small combat squads can hold their own versus any force, combined units tactics, etc, etc.

As far as your inability to imagine US soldiers assaulting gun emplacements and willingly sacrificing their lives following the orders of the government, pull your head out of arse and refresh your history knowledge. Ever heard of D-day? Or how about Iwo Jima? Sorry if it sounds harsh, but you obviously have never had the privilege of knowing anyone who has served (and died) in our military. You disgust me.

Chill a bit Dornfist. He wasn't trying to offend anyone.

I typed it in a calm manner. I even had the where-withall to put a flame on the end. His words are there for all to see, and I say bull that he wasn't trying to offend anyone with his comments. I stand by what I typed, in fact, I held back. I'm not comparing toy soldiers and fluff to our heroes, I claimed the SM most closely resemble the US military, but delephont stepped out of line with his plolitical viewpoint and ignorance of history. Still calm here.

I learned a long time ago to never presume to know what the men and women in the armed services think or feel. I simply thank them for the service they provide me and the rest of the citizens of this fine country.

Darrian

Well, as a member of the American fighting force, I do appreciate all the kind words, and Im not going to add onto anyones comments. I RUV USA!

There's a difference between loving your country's ideals and fanaticism.

Anyways, I play Guard because I'm a fan of combined arms. It comes from having grown up hearing my grandfather's stories of WWII as a bombardier on a B-26 Marauder and watching the Allied advance through Italy and onwards from above. Not to mention hearing all the other WWII veterans that were in his circle of friends talking about their experiences in the different branches. I think I'm one of the few Guard I know of around me that keep their tanks consistently in cohesion with an infantry escort and refuse to advance the tanks when the infantry can't

Well, I got started out on Space Marines because a combat squad or an eldar jetbike was all I could afford at the time, and the jetbike looked lame.

I went online, looked some things up and I saw the old 2nd ed. Devastator marine with a plasma cannon. Now, it's not a very good model, but something about it, the paintjob, and the description appealed to me. I guess it was the whole "best armed and armoured troops humanity has to offer thing". I could never really get into unhuman armies like Tyranids, Necrons, or Orks mostly because I could never really empathize, so I've generally played human (or near human) armies.

Something about the versatility and quick build/painting time of a marine army got me hooked, and I've never not had one going the whole time I've been playing this game. Right now it's Crimson Fists, I love painting the colours and they're fairly generic good guys, no dark secrets or bloodlust or anything like that.

Course, evil is fun too, so I also have a Chaos marine army. I don't think it's the "bwahaha evil" aspect that appeals to me more than the idea that most Chaos Marines were just regular soldiers at some point following their leaders down a path that lead to someplace bad. They were just trying to do what was right for humanity, and in some way still are, even if it is by pledging wholesale allegiance to Chaos.

I've started on Eldar recently because I've always had an affinity for their models, and the idea of an independent sort of force appeals to me. The Eldar aren't trying to impose their way of life on other people like most armies out there, nor are they fighting for simple destruction. They're just trying to do what's best for them, and they don't care if that happens to be worse for someone else.

dornfist wrote:I said IMO, just like you are expressing your opinion. But look at the US soldier to find the parallel. Each single member is highly trained, equiped with the best weapons technology known to man, small combat squads can hold their own versus any force, combined units tactics, etc, etc.

As far as your inability to imagine US soldiers assaulting gun emplacements and willingly sacrificing their lives following the orders of the government, pull your head out of arse and refresh your history knowledge. Ever heard of D-day? Or how about Iwo Jima? Sorry if it sounds harsh, but you obviously have never had the privilege of knowing anyone who has served (and died) in our military. You disgust me.

I agree with most of your points. Unfortunately, it seems, alot of what I was suggesting has been lost in translation. When I mention attacking gun emplacements (see my post), I mean't suicide runs....Space Marine mentality, fluff wise, is to attack and die, perhaps even when "other" forces woud make a tactical retreat and regroup. I do know US and UK service personnel, and most would be willing to make a "suicide run", but only as a LAST resort, and if no other tactic will bring about survival or achieve the objective.

As for following the orders of the govt', well, we all do that, whether we like it or not, obviously people have varied reasons for joining the military, all of them are IMO valid! Space Marine will willingly die in the name of an individual, namely the Emporer....again, all the service people I know would NOT willingly die for #INSERT NAME OF PRIME MINISTER OR PRESIDENT# because they understand that these people are simply politicians who have their own interests closest to their hearts, and not brave war leaders fighting to preserve their own states or countries. I have followed history, and appreciate the propoganda of most nations that fought in the major wars of "modern" times, and maybe to most I'm being dense, but I can think of only a few occasions where fighting forces have been sent in on a purely humanitarian basis......thats not to say the various soldiers of various countries didn't fight FOR humanitarian reasons, but I question why their govt's sent them there in the first place. Dying for a country, an ideal, to pay your college fees or feed your family is one thing...dying for a politicians "power plan" is another....

I apologise if my comments caused you offence, that wasn't my intention and isn't now.....reading between the lines, I've actually credited the average soldier with more sense than a Space Marine, which, although they are fun Sci Fi characters, they're sense of self preservation and the preservation of others is laughable.

I hope this clears things up.

Well put Delephont...I myself admit that I am a patriot, I love this country (even though somethings dont always make sense to me), but I joined because we were at a difficult time, and it didnt make sense to me why I shouldnt join and do my part. I feel in many ways, citizens of any country, should at least once, serve their country. It doesnt have to be in a war time either, you could join to be an admin, engineer, or whatever, but everyone should do their part, since people in the past fought to make the country, why not do ones part and help preserve that? I know this is way off topic from the threads subject, but it is in line with the discussion currently at hand.

Off topic, but IMO well worth discussing.

Civil service, whether in the military or another area, is a noble thing. My father was Army and both my grandfathers were Air Force pilots in WWII. I decided not to go into the military, but I did work for a nonprofit homeless hotline and social services I&R service for three years. The pay was dirt, but when you get a person with kids off the street and into shelter in the middle of the night, you know you’re contributing to society. Not everyone can afford to work someplace like that, or to dedicate years of their life to the military, but everyone can volunteer, and really should.

Well, I guess its good to know the MODs are on the light side...

There are two reasons why I play Space Wolves:

1: I read both the Ultramarines and Space Wolf Omnibuses and after reading the space wolf one I was instantly addicted, and before I even finished it I went out and bought the other two books that were out. I just loved the way the space wolves were compared to all the other chapters, they were alot more free willed and not and stuffy and starchazzed as the Ultramarines and other chapters seemed to be.
2: One of my ushers, Hasan on this forum actually, gave the the SW codex, Logan Grimnar, Ragnar Blackmane, and a WG in Termi armour. So I figured I would run with the army and havent looked back since.

Space Marines, because I like the minis and really liked the inherent play style when I started 40k. Sure you can have a shooty marine army or a force like templars focused on assaults, but it all boils down to your basic troops being relatively strong units all around. At this point, I'm much more interested in forces with highly specialized units (like Eldar) since I realize now that each unit will have exactly one job each mission. However, I really don't like the Eldar models at all, and definitely don't see myself ever buying another entire army, so I stick with Marines.

I too play a bunch of armies so I'll go down the list

World Eaters - I love the cult feel. I'm a big fan of chaos because to me it is the most interesting fluff. Also, I like to roll lots of dice. And I do. And it is good.

Tyranids - I play big bugs because it is really competitive. Also I really liked the 4th ed carnies (so many options!!!!). I had a blast modeling them.

Space Marines - I actualy started playing space marines after playing Dawn of War and blowing people up with whirlwinds. It was a defining moment in my life when I said to myself "I want indirect fire ordinance". I since have dropped the whirlwinds and play a Salamanders list because I think their fluff is cool.

Orks - There's just something about big shootas that makes me happy (see World Eaters...)

Thousand Sons - My newest army, I liked the way the new book streamlined chaos. I'd always wanted to do a 1kSons army but they were just too low model count before. Now they are a bit less badass individually (no more 10 sorcerer terminator squad) but are a lot more efficient points wise. Also I had some great ideas for conversions I have yet to do. I'm sure I'll throw pictures of thsoe up here as soon as I can =)

~Misc

The models.

Eldar Harlequins, Warwalkers and IG Grey Knights all drew me into the game long ago.

All the rest of the crap I picked up along the way? I'm a consumer whore.

I play Emperor's Children chaos because it's an incredibly rich background including the traitor legions and the god of excess and pleasure, Slaanesh. The list is amazingly flexible, allowing me to design an army that fights the way I want and is led by a commander customized by my own special design, unduplicated by any other.

...oh wait that was the old codex. Now I play "chaos" because there is no more Emperor's Children army, and my reason is that it's the army I've been collecting for years and I can't make myself shelve the whole of it, even if it has been left bland and unoriginal. Oh well.

@Spellbound, I hear you. My Emporers Children army is now in a box in the garage. It is 100+ models and, unless Codex Demons lets me bring demonettes back into my Chaos army, staying in the garage. I loved that army.

My World Eater army in also in the garage right next to the Emporers Children.

Darrian

Ive loads of armys, like said before i like a challange so at the moment i use dark eldar in there paper planes with NO wwp.
I just cant get the feel of nids for some reason i love the big critters as to the rest they look good on paper i get the mods then look and back in the box they go for a year or so then try again, it isnt the mods i dislike its just somthing else.

My first and most frequent love in the game is Space Marines. I play several different variants and that's one of the reasons that I love them so; there are so many different flavors. Given the point cost for the troops they have a lower model count and for that reason I can justify to myself creating a new chapter when I want to use a totally new style of force. Traits and the various different codices allow so many options.

When I looked for my first break from Marines to do something different, I went with Nids. The idea on an endless, ravenous, devouring horde is just so bloody appealing that I couldn't resist. Even though Marines are my true love, Nids are easily my Xenos passion.

While I've been back to Marines a couple of time since dipping into the Nid genepool and even a foray into Chaos, I'm now in the process of starting my next army, IG. I've been an American Civil War buff for a very long time and am now working on an ACW themed IG army.

I'm a closet Ork fan and would love to do an Ork army at some point if GW would ever pull their head out of their a$$ and once an for all ditch the ridiculous concept of funny Orks. The most populous Xenos threat (according to the fluff) should be as horrifying as a Tyranid invasion not comic relief.

My main army is and always has been the Imperial Guard. I love the combined arms feel of the army and think that the old metal and new plastic Cadians are some of the best miniatures that GW has ever produced. I love the tanks and the variability that the army provides. I can go mechanized heavy, or infantry heavy, or a mix of the two. All those lists can be viable, which I love.

I also love my Black Legion army, just because they are the pinnacle of what it means to be a Chaos Space Marine. They are mean and are also a tactically flexible army. Tactical flexibility is key for my enjoyment of an army. I have an old school Nid army and never like to use it, because the games are always the same.

I play Nurgle Eldar and Guard
I guess i like playing the bad guys, especially when i win!
it doesn't make me feel bad when i lose because i figure GW give the good guys the advantage..

Nurgle 4000+pts Nasty spreadin disease and stuff.

Iyandan clone eldar army 4000+pts I have 30wraithguard, walking forward blasting any and all into the warp!

I've started a guard army I bough two of the big pretorian box sets and I'm painting them to look like WW2 germans.
(these guys are on hold while i apoc up my main two armys)

well it looks like I'm the only one so far to use this as a basis..

I started playing 40k because of warhamemr FRP. i played to tabletop pen and paper version for 3 solid years before i even thought about playing 40k. i always assumed and was told playing 40k was soo expensive its not even funny. well it is, but now that im 25 its a lot eaiser to cough up 100$+ a month on gaming expenses. elves were always my favorite race in WFRP, the idea that they really dont die except by boredom always intrigued me. with the advice of a friend who played, i ended up buying about 80$ worth of models on ebay and the codex, i had no idea what anything was, but i havnt looked back since then.

i also am starting to collect nurgle, for the same reasons as i started collecting eldar. my old DM in WFRP had an affinity to nurgle because of his ability to mutate anything. more than a few times i had a dwarf troll slayer spout a second head or a third arm or contracted some horrible disease(sp?) that made all dogs in my area deficate themselves uncontrolably. yea i had a messed up DM. but since i got a start in the 40k universe my likes\dislikes have been based on the past experiences i have had.

also this is funny, but i didnt know they made a WHFB until after i wanted to start playing 40k

When I first saw space marine models waaaaaaaay back in the '80's I thought they looked good.
But, it was the background of the Eldar that caught my attention, and my wallet. Throw in the fact that they are reminiscent of the tales of the Fey of the Celts of my ancestry, and we have a winner.

But it is a trend. I play Klingons in SFB, Narn in B5, Skaven in Mordheim.

In fact, the only time I play 'human' is when there is no other choice like in Battletech, or FOW.

Chaos: When the metal Chaos terminator box set with trophy racks came out for 2nd edition I was hooked.

Orks: When my friends were getting me into the game, they were all space marines, and so I bought Rogue Trader and the the Space Ork Raider box set. Thrugg Bullneck, what a road you've taken me down...

It got a little hairy there when we were digging into the excesses of Rogue trader- Major Heroes on hover boards, trying to go through vortex grenade mine fields (!) that were deployed by scatter missiles.

RZ

Tau 'cuz I love their gundams and their near-future engineering feel. Honestly, aside from that I know and care very little about the background except that I enjoy their utopian society. And that Farsight has a huge, MFing sword.

I played Chaos because of the rich background of the CSM Legions and the important part that they played in the story of Warhammer 40K.

Now that they're relegated to being the "Nawtay" kids at the mall,and the half finished thoughts of certain games designers I don't play Chaos anymore.

well you obviously did not love them enuff to stick with them, were you a person who liked the lists you could make more than the fluff?? Seems that way to me as only the ability to take certain things has been taken away, the fluff remain unchanged.

Blackheart666 wrote:I played Chaos because of the rich background of the CSM Legions and the important part that they played in the story of Warhammer 40K.

Now that they're relegated to being the "Nawtay" kids at the mall,and the half finished thoughts of certain games designers I don't play Chaos anymore.

They changed the background or just the rules?

they changed just the rules, the background remains the same