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I think doing something to the wheels would be a good bet, if only because 1:35 wheels are the size of tractor tyres to 40k miniatures.

A particularly impractical idea I had would be if the vehicle had metal wheels, for better grinding heretics underfoot.

Nah! You just use a dozerblade to carry them to the stake. But double wheels could make it a less flimsy.

M.

Car seems a little small for a chimera mockup. But hey it looks like you already have the model. A chimera’s supposed to be a BMP like light tank. Having said that I wouldn’t have a problem with it, representing the latest in non-skimmer STC tech.

1. Would put something on it to represent the closed top. Doesn’t have to be perfect just something (even the aforementioned grill and netting). As long as all your “chimeras’ are identical in this regard then you should be good.

2. Guns themselves should be WYSIWYG.

3. Whatever you do, you’re going to need lots of skulls. How else can we tell you apart from chaos? It can’t be imperial without the requisite blinding sheer number of skulls that would make an Aztec priest puke.

A thick armoured plate (like the front of a steam tank) would be a great way to represent 12/10/10 armour, and as an Inquisitor's command limo I don't necessarily think it needs be fielded with all-matching Chimeras at all.

IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT, like an Inquisitor's power armour, or fancy gun, or ridiculous special rule. That's the fun thing about Inquisitors - it's an excuse to culturally theme your army based on the individual's passionate hatred of something (aliens, heretics, Chosen Sons of Israel etc.)

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Dude my whole point is I've staked out some pretty extreme ground on the subject over the years. We've had a few posters who come in wanting to do SS themed armies claiming they're not 'Nazis' and I'm always there to jump down their throat.

So I do feel a tinge of guilt at using their stuff even for a one off conversion.

I wouldn't worry about it. Hypochrisy is nothing to be ashamed of.

If you don't like it, just use a BA-20 or a Rolls-Royce Armoured Car as the basis for your conversion in stead.

What I really don't understand in this thread is, it's just a vehicle. It doesn't have any political opinions. It doesn't represent anything. It didn't commit any crimes it is just a tool nothing more nothing less. Assigning political affiliations to inanimate objects is just silly.

Wow. A plastic car for playing toy soldier makes people go into diatribes about Nazis and nationalistic group dynamics.

Anyhow, the wheels do seem too narrow as everything in 40K is ridiculously OTT. So double them up, put some wheel guards to conceal or tread it. Or maybe servitors carrying it. Whatever. There are also not enough rivets,skulls, icons, etc. as pointed out. In the 41st millennium there is only bling.

the nazi's were a political / radical group, you all know the history.

this is a piece of plastic, it wont attack people at random, it wont commit genocide, its a model!
people need to chill out, its being used as a conversion.
so, black templers now offend people as it resembles the cross? list goes on, people get stupid, leave it out.
hes making a model for a fantasy army, not starting a political movement.

sorry for the rant, just get annoyed with some people.

Using WW2 German tanks in your 40k armies is almost always a loser because you guys don't make them look like something else or convert the army to a high standard across the board.

Hurr Panzers does not make them appropriate for this game system.

ChaosDave wrote:What I really don't understand in this thread is, it's just a vehicle. It doesn't have any political opinions. It doesn't represent anything. It didn't commit any crimes it is just a tool nothing more nothing less. Assigning political affiliations to inanimate objects is just silly.

Symbolism. Learn it, fear it.

Like the rest of us.

I could post pics, but why bother?

Either you understand why WW2 German tanks are bad for 40K, or you don't and never will.

Stelek, whats your problem?
you have just judged everyone here unfit to convert something when you havent see anything.
come up with some explanations please.

Symbolism. Learn it, fear it.
Like the rest of us.
I could post pics, but why bother?
Either you understand why WW2 German tanks are bad for 40K, or you don't and never will.

fear nothing, its nothing like the real thing stelek, your just exasibating the situation.
its a plastic model, just like alot of the GW range, so, you cant use a converted tank because it a symbol of nazi histeria.
but you can paint a swas on a marine and its fine?

and i dont charge for my bad grammar, that comes free.

Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them.

If you aren't sure why it's not accepted in the gaming community, you are clueless or trolling.

Look up 'KZ Manager', and then make a Dawn of War expansion based on that theme and see just what people really think of 40K after that.

Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.

i know, and people are denazi-fying them.
so have bad grammar and you make new words, good start.

i am not clueless, not annoyed at people blowing things out of proportion.
it has no swas on it, nor does it have any german / nazi iconography.
and it aint exactly shouting out "hail hitla" is it?
so many games have covered german warfare, nothing new.

by the seems of it stelek you have another issue with this, rather than just asking him to change it a bit more you start complaining like an old woman.
just ask him to change it a bit more, or leave it alone.
how does this model effect you?

It is my community.

The 99.9999% of us that reject the Nazis and their symbols don't want them in our game making US look bad by association.

Now that I've stated the obvious, are you done?

I certainly hope so.

Stelek wrote:

ChaosDave wrote:What I really don't understand in this thread is, it's just a vehicle. It doesn't have any political opinions. It doesn't represent anything. It didn't commit any crimes it is just a tool nothing more nothing less. Assigning political affiliations to inanimate objects is just silly.

Symbolism. Learn it, fear it.

Like the rest of us.

I could post pics, but why bother?

Either you understand why WW2 German tanks are bad for 40K, or you don't and never will.

The swastika is symbolism, this is just a car and symbolizes nothing. Otherwise if you really want to talk symbolism like that then you should run around to everyone who owns a VW bug and scream at them for being Nazi sympathizers for driving Hitlers Volkswagen (peoples car).

Seriously as long as people aren't putting swastikas and other Nazi symbolism on their models then there isn't any problem.

no stelek, this is everyones community, not yours.
this is not nazi, its a freakin model! used and converted to escort IG, not a unit of german infantry.
you have not stated anything other than you have a problem with this, and its your problem alone.
have you asked him to change it? and i want that Q. answered.

not by a long shot.
not untill you realise how stupid you are making yourself sound by outlawing this without asking him, or providing a reasonable explanation as to why you hate this so much, when everyone else has no problems with it.

If it's an inquisitor's battlefield transport/limo I would add a turret with a stormtrooper officer. I would also add some fancy grillwork on the front, with an Aquila or an inquisitorial symbol, chrome plated, and large headlamps. After all, if the inquisitor is going all low key subterfuge, like Eisenhorn or Ravenor, he would use whatever transport the inducted forces have handy for their command unit. If he's blowing in all "I AM THE WILL OF THE EMPEROR!", then you gotta make that battlefield taxi as ostentatious as possible. Flags and scrollwork, gold and chrome and leather, covered in seals and arcane equipment, you get the idea...

i think we should start a "pimp my chimera" thread the way this is going kirby

Get a cheap throwaway MP3 player and model the smallest speakers you can find into it. Alternatively, the biggest ones you can fit.

Actually, make that a miniature radio, and carry an AM
transmitter with a microphone in your shirt pocket.

"I am the will of the Emperor" indeed!

Mod mode on:
1) Lets keep it polite people
Mod mode off

1) Kid Kyoto You've not given us the number of skulls to be pasted onto that puppy.

2) Some can convert Ze Germans ok. IG mesh quite well into their vehicles (which can be disconcerting actually)

"Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them. "

firstly, he is. he was talking about using the model. not making it into

a 3rd reich version of pimp my =I= ride.

"It is my community."

it's actually all of our community, as long as we follow the rules.

"The 99.9999% of us that reject the Nazis and their symbols don't want them in our game making US look bad by association."

and some how you still think he want's to glorify the nazi? we all, including KK, reject everything about the nazis.

admit it Stelek, you were the one guy using his hair dryer while in the shower and while sleeping,weren't you? because of you

we all have that stupid tag on our hair dryers.

Well, I think it's a cool looking vehicle.
Honestly, though, I see more "Ork Trukk" use for it than "Counts as a Chimera," but that's just me.
Where did you get this model? I'm only asking because, seeing how cool it looked inspired me to look up Italeri on ebay and I found a copy of this for almost $70 US!!!!!
Seems like an expensive Chimera. LOL
I DID find a lot of cool conversion fodder for Ork Trukks, though... So, thanks for that.

I really think you need a turret, if you're going to count it as a Chimera... and some lasguns mounted to it, as well. If you're going to use it as a Chimera, might as well make sure to cover all the bases.

I think the tires are fine, as is. I mena, they're BIG... but it's supposed to be an armored Limo. It needs hefty tires.

Lastly, I think you shouldn't worry about who used the vehicle in REAL LIFE. It's simply a model, and it will only represent what you say it will. I mean, anyone who plays Xenos Hunters when it comes out isn't automatically a racist. Right?

Stay away from the "naughty symbols" and "bad colors" and you're just fine. Using the model doesn't support Nazi's or WWII Germany. It supports the company you bought it from... and the only ideals it supports, therefore, are capitalism.

Eric

Stelek wrote:Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them.
Look up 'KZ Manager', and then make a Dawn of War expansion based on that theme and see just what people really think of 40K after that.

Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.

I believe Relic actually did something along these lines. It is called Company of Heroes. And you even have a campaign as the Panzer Elite in the latest expansion. Good thing everybody hated that!

KK, what is your status report? The Emperor does not tolerate delay.

I'm waiting to see how many skulls will be added, before passing judgment. I don't see any reason why there can't be at least twenty, that's only five per side.



Go for it, Kid_Kyoto.

Stelek wrote:
Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.

Without a detailed case history I could only speculate.

To be honest, I don't like the importing of RL scale models into 40k. At least, not without a lot of conversion. Typically, that means cutting an inch or two out of the length of the hull so that the vehicles are 40k-proportioned: short front-to-back, but normal width and height top-to-bottom.

With respect to KK's armored car, I think it needs at least an extra 3/4" of width, along with at least 1-1/2" off the nose. Do that, and it'll be OK for 40k.

With respect to JFraz' Koenigstiger, the turret swap helps, but it's still too long, and the exposed suspension is very un-Imperial.

Hordini wrote:I'm waiting to see how many skulls will be added, before passing judgment. I don't see any reason why there can't be at least twenty, that's only five per side.



Go for it, Kid_Kyoto.

Finally, someone who understands what this model is missing.

I've got a fever and the only cure is more cowbell, er Skulls!

JohnHwangDD wrote:To be honest, I don't like the importing of RL scale models into 40k. At least, not without a lot of conversion. Typically, that means cutting an inch or two out of the length of the hull so that the vehicles are 40k-proportioned: short front-to-back, but normal width and height top-to-bottom.

With respect to KK's armored car, I think it needs at least an extra 3/4" of width, along with at least 1-1/2" off the nose. Do that, and it'll be OK for 40k.

With respect to JFraz' Koenigstiger, the turret swap helps, but it's still too long, and the exposed suspension is very un-Imperial.

Actually, the exposed suspension matches the hellhound and chimera in the list. It is slightly longer than a Leman, but only by an inch, and thats my prob as its harder to conceal.

I've got a fever and the only cure is more cowbell, er Skulls!

i got an un-used TK army if skulls are needed
after i popped some heads should have arund 150 or so.
needs a daemon bumper.
a few bloodletters tiedon as a ram
or am i thinking too orky?

Stelek wrote:Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them.

If you aren't sure why it's not accepted in the gaming community, you are clueless or trolling.

Look up 'KZ Manager', and then make a Dawn of War expansion based on that theme and see just what people really think of 40K after that.

Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.

Does this mean you steer clear of Volkswagen and Fanta then? Both were products of Nazi Germany. Volkswagen, I believe, was actually state funded in a socialist way, and Fanta was created when the ingredients to make Coca Cola ran low.

But hey, they don't have the Nazi connotations anymore, do they?