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That would be a derivative work, which is still a copyright infringement.

da-chaos-orks wrote:Well i seem to have created quite the stir (sorry mods) well i think your all takin it a bit to far its a little plastic head no court in england will charge me for making a little plastic head that another company make.but i have an idea say i got the heads and did minor greenstuff work to them and cast them i have produced a one off design and cast it so its not against the law i think

Now you are within the limits of legality. Once you make a change that FW does not produce, you can legally cast the models, as it is your creation.

For it to be copyright infringement you would have to monetarily benefit (either in direct monies, or savings of monies, ie; trade/favor/gift/barter/ect...). Making something that is a direct copy of someone else's work for YOURSELF is not illegal. You have to directly benefit in a form other than its use. When you buy a GW product there is no liscencing agreement. I think people are getting solid goods confused with non-solid goods like computer programs.

However, Games-Workshop can still deny you service to say, tournaments, if they were to find out because you did not purchase what you are using from them or one of their realtors. You may have purchased the original, which they could still let you use, but anything else they can refuse. Actually, if they wanted, they can refuse anyone services for any reason they want (except for all those PC BS laws). At least that's how it works where I'm from.

Peredyne and Skinnattittar, you are both wrong.

Peredyne, making a change to a copyright work does not create a new work in which you have the copyright, it merely produces a derivative work, in which the original creator will still have copyright.

Skinnattittar, the degree of monetary benefit derived from infringing on copyright is only relevant to the assessment of business damages.

I refer you to my article on Copyright, found in the articles section, which contains links to very informative web sites where you can learnt the truth about copyright.

da-chaos-orks wrote:Hi

I want to use the forgeworld cadian respirator head upgrade,but it doesnt come with enough for a squad so if i bought a pack and used the heads to make a cast would it be illegal.souley for personal use

you do know that the pack comes with 10 respirator heads right?????? thats enough for a sqaud

No because theres 20 quardsmen in a box so errrrr lol mmm maybe i could just add in the heads and have it mixed

da-chaos-orks wrote:No because theres 20 quardsmen in a box so errrrr lol mmm maybe i could just add in the heads and have it mixed

10 heads is enough for a single squad of guardsmen. Buy 2 forgeworld packs and you will be good to go.

30 quids a bit steep to me really when i only want the heads

da-chaos-orks wrote:No because theres 20 quardsmen in a box so errrrr lol mmm maybe i could just add in the heads and have it mixed

well seems as you asked for a squad (which is 10 men) i answered the question. a box of guardsmen is 2 squads as mentioned by 2 packs and you have enough for the 20 guards men in the 2 squads you can make for a box.

and in the post directly above this you have the rub of it "30 quids a bit steep to me really when i only want the heads" if thats the case then effectivley by casting you cause a loss of earnings to gw which is unfair to them and all their customers that will buy the products. to be honest if "30 quids a bit steep" then my friend, i personally think your in the wrong hobby!

it may sound harsh and a bit cutting but i really cant stand when people try to justify the "potential" (ill put it in commas as lots of people have different views of the legality of this) breaking of the law by copy a copy righted material, anyone that does that really does cheapen the hobby and the products many of us pay good money for in good faith.

Kilkrazy wrote:That would be a derivative work, which is still a copyright infringement.

However, if one sculpts and mass-produces new *compatible* parts (e.g. heads), then those are NOT copyright infringement.

Presuming, of course, that one isn't slavishly copying or knocking off some other copyrighted design...

Keep in mind people, that what is legal varies greatly depending on which country you´re in.

So while it may be legal to make copies for yourself in the US, Killkrazy, could well be right that it´s illegal in the UK...

Hey, copying stuff might actually be the recommended way to go in some countries, who knows...

International communty and all...

That is something you could research by checking the various government copyright bureau websites.

Kilkrazy wrote:That is something you could research by checking the various government copyright bureau websites.

And this is when one hopes that the message gets through Like Kilkrazy says, if you want info about copyright then go to a site with such knowledge. We are gamers, not lawyers. Its like a while back when a guy asked what software to use when making illustrations for a boardgame to a boardgaming community. Lots of suggestions, opinions etc. I told him that if he was serious then head over to deviantart.com were people know art.

My 2 cents.

Yer course im in the wrong hobby because i think 30 quid for 20 resin heads is way to much after ive payed 18 quid for the box set,that comment also makes me belive you think that just because someone hasnt got the money to spend they shouldnt do what they enjoy so maybe ill quit!hows that,and also hows gamesworkshop going to lose money its their prices that make people do this sort of thing,i dont know why they charge 15 quid for what pig iron charge £3 yer you get some bags but woop de doo,

p.s poor people can play 40k too!

i thinks thats still illegal.

I'd jsut say hushhush and g owith the flow. No-one likes to be ripped off by gw and their infamous bit-floozying that bothers me endlessy...

Ok this topic has run it's course.

If you're not sure at this point whether or not casting copyrighted material is illegal or not, please do some research of your own about your country's copyright and IP laws.

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