What does a victualler do in a Marine Chapter? The Master of the Marches?

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**Pariah Press**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Pariah Press wrote: I double-checked my sources, and it looks like US WD 255, p. 17 says that he was killed in the Joran retaliation against the Tau Empire. Whether this was part of the Damocles Gulf Crusade or seperate isn't clear to me.

You wouldn't have the text from that by any chance? And what was the article about?

BYE

It was the Index Astartes article about dreadnoughts.

In 745.M41 Brother Severus participated in the Joran retaliation against the alien Tau Empire, but the expedition proved ill-starred and the 3rd Company's Captain, Ardias, was killed shortly before the whole force was withdrawn. Urgent new orders sent the company back to Macragge to defend it from the advance of Hive Fleet Behemoth.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ok, did a little bit of digging and found some lists of Ultra Captains, and where they're up to.

I just have two remaining questions for anyone who has the (full) Codex:

The force listing for the Ultramarines in the 3rd Ed, which still had Invictus, Ardius and Idaeus (who are now all dead), it has the date of that listing on it 745.M41 - before Behemoth. Does the new listing for the Ultramarines, that has Agemman as the 1st Company Captain, Sicarius as the second, etc. - does it have a date on it? Second question, who's commanding the Fourth Company. It should be Uriel Ventris, but it might be someone else and I wanted to check.

Thanks!

BYE

**1hadhq**

Battles of the Ultramarines (dex page 40):

010999M41 -> Uriel ventris followed Idaeus in command of 4th company. "battle of the bridge 2-4"

Date of chapter organization chart is 999.M41.

**Pariah Press**

Idaeus is listed as commanding the Fourth Company in the new Codex, so the chart represents the Chapter before Idaeus's death (later in 999.M41, according to the majority of sources).

**cadbren**

Idaeus was killed on Thracia destroying a bridge to stop Night Lord traitor marines from advancing.
He was replaced by Uriel Ventris who was captain until the company returned from Tarsis Ultra whereupon he was relieved of command and exiled from the chapter.
Learchus became captain at that point.
I understand Ventris has returned to the chapter so is possibly captain once again.
But as this takes place in the 42nd millenium should it be counted as fluff for 40k which is the 41st millenium?

**Shrike78**

cadbren wrote:I
I understand Ventris has returned to the chapter so is possibly captain once again.
But as this takes place in the 42nd millenium should it be counted as fluff for 40k which is the 41st millenium?

STOP STOP STOP!!!!

MAH SPAZE MARAINE BRANE (hurr) DONE GONNA 'SPLODE

**chromedog**

From my time in the army, we learned never to tick off two branches - supply and signals.

Signals could "lose in translation" your orders.
Qstores could forget to send you your bog-rolls.

Quartermaster is an important branch in the military today. Put it this way, Chief Victualler is the one responsible for making sure that everyone in the chapter has everything they need. He has to liase with the armoury, marches and everyone else for every consumable that isn't made by them - and account for everything that is as well.

**Pariah Press**

"Though he possesses great skill and knowledge regarding logistics and supply lines, the Chief Victualler is a warrior first and foremost and is often in the forefront of many of the fiercest battles. More than one Chapter's Librarium records the tale of a Victualler, mortally wounded and about to breath his last, signing one more requisition form or voxing to make sure that the men have enough protein-gruel to fight on before he becomes one with the Emperor."

**Drakka77**

So here is a related question, What are all the possible titles for captains? Their importantance? And general kind of tactics one think of that kind of position?

**Psienesis**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Quite useful, but a followup pair of questions:

Ok, so if the Victualler does supply/logistics, what does the Master of the Arsenal do?

And if the March guy defends the borders, what does the Master of the Watch do?

BYE

The Victualler is responsible for the things like food, water, toothpaste, blankets, boot-polish and all that kind of non-combat gear that a military organization requires. He is, in a sense, the Departmento Munitorum for the Space Marine Chapter.

The Master of the Arsenal is the Brother responsible for ensuring they have enough grenades, bolter-rounds, belts of heavy bolter ammo, melta flasks, plasma flasks, chainsword oil, Predator tank shells, Scout shotgun shells, hellfire boltgun rounds, Power Armor patch kits, and all those things that are specifically for combat operations. He is, basically, a bullet-counter.

The Master of the Watch probably handles the defense of the Chapter's fortress holdings, its Fortress-Monastery, and the defense of whatever primary headquarters establishment it has in a combat theatre. It is also, if I remember correctly, the title given to a very high-ranking member of the Deathwatch. Similar to either a Company Commander or maybe even Chapter Master, I forget.

ETA: Wow, how did I not notice this thread was 2 pages long and 5 years old?

**Omegus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... awesome job. I can just see it now...

High-Level Inquisitor Type Guy: Captain Agemann, what title do you hold?
Agemann: I am the Regent of Ultramar and the Lord of House Macragge. It is I who oversee's the homeworld of our Chapter and rule whenever our glorious Chapter Master is away in battle.
Inquisitor: And you, Captain Sicarius, what title do you hold?
Sicarius: I am the Master of the Watch, my Lord. I see to the defence of our glorious realm, and ensure that my reach extends far beyond the borders of Ultramar.
Inquisitor: Captain Ardias, what title do you hold?
Ardius: I Command the Arsenal, Lord Inquisitor. It is through me that the weapons of war are given to my Battle Brothers, that we might purge the mutant, alien and hertic from the Emperor's Galaxy.
Inquisitor: Captain Idaeus, what title do you hold?
Idaeus: I command the glorious fleet of the Ultramarines. Through me the fire of absolution can be brought down on any of the Imperium's foes, and none can withstand my wrath!
Inquisitor: Captain Antilochus?
Antilochus: I hold the honour of training our recruits, Lord Inquisitor. As Master of Recruits I ensure that all who enter the chapter emerge as peerless Warriors of Ultramar, ready to face whatever hellspawned evil the galaxy tries to inflict upon us!
Inquisitor: And you, Captain Epathus?
Epathus: It is my duty and honour as Master of the Watch to guard the borders of Ultramar. Under my unending gaze none shall pass into this realm without permission.
Inquisitor: And finally, Captain Ixion, what glorious title do you hold.
Ixion: I uhh... yeah I make sure everyoine's got enough food. And blankets. And cutlery. Oh and fuel. And bandages. Y'know. That sort of stuff.
Inquisitor: Uhh... Sicarius, what was it you did again?

Not a really great position to hold methinks...

BYE

Seems like the most important one to me. Space Marines, from Space Wolves with their battery acid beer, to Ultramarines with their hoitytoity wines, seem to enjoy alcohol. Plus, no food or fuel leaves you with an army of giants in hibernation mode and a bunch of useless vehicles.

**Maniac_nmt**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... awesome job. I can just see it now...

High-Level Inquisitor Type Guy: Captain Agemann, what title do you hold?
Agemann: I am the Regent of Ultramar and the Lord of House Macragge. It is I who oversee's the homeworld of our Chapter and rule whenever our glorious Chapter Master is away in battle.
Inquisitor: And you, Captain Sicarius, what title do you hold?
Sicarius: I am the Master of the Watch, my Lord. I see to the defence of our glorious realm, and ensure that my reach extends far beyond the borders of Ultramar.
Inquisitor: Captain Ardias, what title do you hold?
Ardius: I Command the Arsenal, Lord Inquisitor. It is through me that the weapons of war are given to my Battle Brothers, that we might purge the mutant, alien and hertic from the Emperor's Galaxy.
Inquisitor: Captain Idaeus, what title do you hold?
Idaeus: I command the glorious fleet of the Ultramarines. Through me the fire of absolution can be brought down on any of the Imperium's foes, and none can withstand my wrath!
Inquisitor: Captain Antilochus?
Antilochus: I hold the honour of training our recruits, Lord Inquisitor. As Master of Recruits I ensure that all who enter the chapter emerge as peerless Warriors of Ultramar, ready to face whatever hellspawned evil the galaxy tries to inflict upon us!
Inquisitor: And you, Captain Epathus?
Epathus: It is my duty and honour as Master of the Watch to guard the borders of Ultramar. Under my unending gaze none shall pass into this realm without permission.
Inquisitor: And finally, Captain Ixion, what glorious title do you hold.
Ixion: I uhh... yeah I make sure everyoine's got enough food. And blankets. And cutlery. Oh and fuel. And bandages. Y'know. That sort of stuff.
Inquisitor: Uhh... Sicarius, what was it you did again?

Not a really great position to hold methinks...

BYE

Actually, the army quartermaster or victualler is the most key person in many respects. Caesar himself comments on how key keeping his men supplied with food was on campaign. He would go so far as to eat exactly what the troops ate so that they would not resent officiers getting better treatment. Similarly, this is often repeated as one of the key concerns during the first crusade. William the Conqueror, prior to invading England, spent months gathering up supplies and equipment to feed and provide for his men even knowing he would be able to raid and forage. The Normans conquered Southern Italy and Sicily pretty much by cutting into people's food supplies and constant raiding to the point that their foes could not fight them effectively. Almost all seige warfare predicates being able to cut off your enemy's supplies.

Also, given the mission credo of space marines - hammer the enemies supplies, key strategic assets, key strategic people, it becomes much more clear. Poor logistics is what kills an army. If you cannot supply your troops you don't win.

Armies move on their bellies.

**Lord Lorne Walkier**

Sorry all that i came to this so late but....

I would add that the 7th Company is known for their Land speeder and Storm Talon pilots. Perhaps this dove tails with the idea of a chapter quartermaster? Maybe the 7th company is the responsible for supplies even in the field of battle? Piloting the drop ships and flying cover for them in fighter craft. Also what if they are not only responsible for the operation of friendly supply chains but also tasked with the disruption of enemy's.

I found this thread searching for information on the web about the 7th Company in a chapter. I am tying to gather information to help me build a fluffy, Raven Guard gene seed, 7th co strike force. The ideas here have been most helpful. I'm starting to get the idea of turning my captain into a shadow smuggler type. Han Solo in a Astartes body.