If Phil Kelly writes the new IG codex

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**Chimera_Calvin**

Who was the guy pictured in WD a couple of months back who they said was writing the codex?

I'm at work at the mo so I can't check through the back-issues...

**JohnHwangDD**

Green Blow Fly wrote:Please not yet again another NO BRAINER easy to win with army that has five great unstoppable units and the rest is garbage.

You know, I would be OK with 5 *great* units if they were the right 5 units:

1. Troops Infantry Platoons built around 40-pt squads with Platoon-level upgrades for Carapace, Camo, etc. along with Mech / Drop / Infiltrate options. Attachable HWS, SWS, and Vets.

2. Dirt-cheap 45-pt AV12/12/10 Chimeras with 5-pt upgrade to twin-HB / Autocannon / ML (also, Valk Skimmer transport)

3. Vehicle Squadrons of cut-price (~120 pts) Russ, AV14/13/12 Demolisher, and Basilisk; also (~100 pts) Hellhounds with 5" Blast. I'd settle for the Demolisher squadrons, myself.

4. Abhuman assault Elites - 6-pt S4 T3 A2 Beastmen and 15-pt S6 T5 A4 Ogryns

5. Penal Legion Human Bomb Conscripts with Explosive Collars

If I get that, I really won't care about the rest.

**H.B.M.C.**

The new Chimera rules have already been seen in FW's update to IA2. It's still AV12/10/10 DD. Sorry.

BYE

**Frazzled**

If true that sucketh HBMC. Don't rain on my parade man.

**George Spiggott**

H.B.M.C. wrote:The new Chimera rules have already been seen in FW's update to IA2. It's still AV12/10/10 DD. Sorry.

BYE

That was Inquisition Chimeras, Imperial Guard Chimeras may be made on a different forgeworld and provide a 3+ save against all attacks.

**Frazzled**

True. According to Jervis, they are not bothering to standardize so past is no indicator of the future. Hope, through incompetence, lives!

**bryantsbears**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
bryantsbears wrote:1 - A guardsman who is cheaper than the present roughly six point model and can be upgraded (if desired) with deep strike, outflank, cameoline or close order drill option, similar to the doctrines system. Please don't tell me that an ork boy and a guardsman are equal.

You will be able to do this, assuming you bring the correct Special Character to the table.

bryantsbears wrote:2 - As few units as possible that are either priced too high to be useful or inspire the nonusage of units, as they don't

Well everyone uses H-Vets already, and no one uses Storm Troopers. Look for a nice big flip in prices/usefulness between the two, especially with a new Storm Trooper plastic kit on the horizon.

bryantsbears wrote:3 - The Leman Russ to be able to shoot its battle cannon and its sponsons if it doesn't move. Enough people crew it.

If you read the (exceptionally lame) fluff explanation as to why they can't, firing the main gun requires the "attention" of all the crew. Why Private. Smith has to look away from his heavy bolter to watch the two people crewing the turret fire I do not know...

bryantsbears wrote:4 - Advisors rules that do not dictate a top heavy HQ - let priests be with the junior officers. Let the commisars go be with a junior officer or a veteran sergeant.

I'm pretty sure advisors will change from "Attack to units starting with HQ" to "Must attach to units, may not attach to the following..." and you just put them where you want except for the restricted units.

bryantsbears wrote:- Elite choices that are neither grossly overpriced glass hammers (Ogryns), five man suicide squads (Veterans) or Mechanicum lackeys and their servitors. I see one of these used; rules should be better designed for all.

Tech-Priests will have the pendulum swung in their favour, as will Ogryn I suspect and probably even Ratlings. Storm Troopers will as well. H-Vets will get the short end of the stick.

bryantsbears wrote:- A priest who inspires people to fight better in more than just HtH.

That would require too much depth. The Chaos Gods are now 1-dimensional emotional archetypes - quite a step away from their detailed origins - so what makes you think they're going to make a Priest any more than that something that says "RAR! MY CHAINSAW IS HUGE! RAR!" before charging in.

bryantsbears wrote:More useful psyker powers (sanctioned doesn't have mean "suck"). It doesn't need to be any ridiculous; right now, it's a 12 point excuse for a meltabomb that can pretend to be a company standard or a heavy bolter. The only remotely cool thing it does is the Curse of the Machine God power.

Agree here. The '6' power should not be a Heavy D6 Lasgun. It should be dangerous.

bryantsbears wrote:Oh, and a Chimera/Hellhound combo kit all in plastic. I'll pay a little more for the extra options, and I know how to magnet.

Unless there's a vital component for both turrets that you only get one of in each box!

BYE

1- Not looking forward to having to buy a special character, giving him a different name and saying that he's not "Colonel Grav MacShutes," he's Colonel Paul Bryant.

2- I can live with the usefulness of the storm troopers at the expense of the hardened vets. Truthfully, I don't see them changing the hardened vets too much.

3- Nothing more to say about the advisors rule that we haven't.

4- Other than the H-vets, I have no problems with elites getting better rules.

5- I suppose on the priest - it's just that the "Charge into Close Combat if you can" rule with the "gotta have one in the Command Squad" makes . Also, a model that's called a priest - they're all "missionaries."

6- Ditto on the psyker. Something mildly dangerous. A few more points wouldn't be the end of days.

7- I have ways of getting extra bits, as well.

Also: something reasonable with the officer and his retinue not being two stinking kill points. That would go a little bit by way of helping the kill point situation.

**George Spiggott**

bryantsbears wrote:1- Not looking forward to having to buy a special character, giving him a different name and saying that he's not "Colonel Grav MacShutes," he's Colonel Paul Bryant.

I've been doing this for years with 'Commissar Derrick'.

**Ozymandias**

Polonius wrote:

Hey, I use the language I need to get my point across. There's simply no high level way to get across how lousy they are. My Daddy once taught me that when you yell or swear all the time, nobody notices, but if you're normally soft spoken and well mannered, a few expletives have real heft. I stand by what I wrote.

As is proved by my reaction.

No need to get defensive, I thought it was hilarious (just also out of character).

Ozymandias, King of Kings

**Polonius**

Oh, I wasn't being defensive, although I can see how it can be read that way. I edited the post to change it.

I actually post in a much more refined style than I generally speak. I post much closer to how I write, and after training in Philosophy and Law I learned a certain formal style.

**H.B.M.C.**

George Spiggott wrote:That was Inquisition Chimeras, Imperial Guard Chimeras may be made on a different forgeworld and provide a 3+ save against all attacks.

And carry 15 people rather than 12!

But while GW has no interest in maintaining consistency and balance, Warrick is the master of Copypaste. I would put money on him just copying and pasting the rules from the new Guard Codex with the only change being 'editing' the name to Inquisitorial Chimera.

BYE

**George Spiggott**

H.B.M.C. wrote:But while GW has no interest in maintaining consistency and balance, Warrick is the master of Copypaste. I would put money on him just copying and pasting the rules from the new Guard Codex with the only change being 'editing' the name to Inquisitorial Chimera.

What you say is true and it does explain why the Inquistorial Chimera suddenly gained camo netting (but not camo netting's stupid points hike). However we don't know what Warrick was copypasting from and as a result I can't say that I know the Chimera's new stats.

Until GW release a codex with the Chimera in it that FAQ entry is useless as we don't know what the Chimera's special rules do. Fortunately my Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are equipped with Rhino's.

**H.B.M.C.**

Oh I agree, that FAQ is meaningless until we see the Guard rules. But atleast we know (or basically know) where Warrick is Copypasta-ing them from.

BYE

**ubermosher**

I wonder if the point cost in the Inq Chimera faq entry will be the same in the new IG codex.

Also wondering what "Mobile Command Vehicle" special rule is, since I'm assuming it's in the upcoming codex, as it's nowhere to be found in IA2.

For 20 points, I'm wondering if the 'camo netting' rule will provide some kind of cover save to the vehicle.

Edit: The word of the day is... wonder. Sheesh I suck.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Frazzled wrote:Just once I'd like to see an incredible IG codex that gives all non-IG players the willies. Give me something as powerful as the EPIC list, balanced, but a true juggernaut and not the fluff/real world whipping boy of GW. I want an army that makes orks pause and marine players run like the screaming girly men that they are.

Bring back the las guns with aux grenade launchers and vortex grenades!

**Kid_Kyoto**

Pariah Press wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:If you read the (exceptionally lame) fluff explanation as to why they can't, firing the main gun requires the "attention" of all the crew. Why Private. Smith has to look away from his heavy bolter to watch the two people crewing the turret fire I do not know...

Private Smith has to inscribe the Runes of Annihilation on the shell, Private Jenkins has to annoit the breech with sacred oils, and Private Brown has to chant the Dirge of Extreme Death and Destruction, while the others, y'know, load and fire the battlecannon.

I think the actual fluff is that they cannot fire accurately with the whole tank shaking and recoiling from the cannon shot. It's like why bolters only fire 24", the rounds might travel farther but that's the effective range.

**JohnHwangDD**

ubermosher wrote:For 20 points, I'm wondering if the 'camo netting' rule will provide some kind of cover save to the vehicle.

I could see Camo netting being the vehicle version of Cameoline, giving the tank +1 to Cover saves. It would be easy and consistent.

**George Spiggott**

JohnHwangDD wrote:I could see Camo netting being the vehicle version of Cameoline, giving the tank +1 to Cover saves. It would be easy and consistent.

If utterly illogical... So on reflection that it precisely what it will do in game.

**JediRaptor**

1- Not looking forward to having to buy a special character, giving him a different name and saying that he's not "Colonel Grav MacShutes," he's Colonel Paul Bryant.

Hmmmm, I would say your IG and my Tau, the Aun"burn sept need to fight.......but not THIS year!!!

**bryantsbears**

JediRaptor wrote:

1- Not looking forward to having to buy a special character, giving him a different name and saying that he's not "Colonel Grav MacShutes," he's Colonel Paul Bryant.

Hmmmm, I would say your IG and my Tau, the Aun"burn sept need to fight.......but not THIS year!!!

Perhaps in a iron bowl of sorts?

**H.B.M.C.**

Colonel Grav McShutes
Major Stealthy McCamoCloak
Captain Stormy 'The Grenadier' Trooperson
General Steel von Legion

These special characters are going to rock! And by rock I mean suck.

BYE

**Techboss**

All I want is a new Leman Russ and Chimeria models. I could careless about the rest. As GW keeps f'ing up the game, it's becoming more of a model collection hobby for me than a game I actually play.

**JohnHwangDD**

@Techboss - then you should shift to Apocalypse, where you can play your collected models.

**Techboss**

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Techboss - then you should shift to Apocalypse, where you can play your collected models.

Eh, unfortunately, I still have to use some of the core rules. The only gem of Apocalypse is that there are a lot of broken units I can use, so it kind of offsets.

**Orkeosaurus**

I remember when rumors for the Ork codex first came out, everyone was saying "it had better be really good to make up for the lack of updates," and were adamant about how they deserved to be so much better.

Now I'm sure some of those same people are complaining about them being overpowered now. I played orks since the beginning of 4th, and I remember them being even worse than guard are now.

I've recently started an IG army, and I can see that there's a lot that needs improvement. That doesn't mean that "everyone should be afraid of guard," anymore than they should be afraid of orks, space marines, or eldar. The novelty gets old, and we're left complaints of lootas and biker nobs.

On a related note, I really hope most of the doctrines can be used in some ways without some damn special character. It didn't make a whole lot of sense for the SMs, and it makes a lot less for the Guard.

**captain.gordino**

I wonder if it would make any difference if some of the people here wrote and told them this stuff.

**H.B.M.C.**

We'd just be branded Tournament Gamers, which is GW's 'get out of writing good rules free' card.

BYE

**bryantsbears**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Colonel Grav McShutes
Major Stealthy McCamoCloak
Captain Stormy 'The Grenadier' Trooperson
General Steel von Legion

These special characters are going to rock! And by rock I mean suck.

BYE

Let's not forget Colonel Cary Pace, Commisar Yankev Ogrynherder and Lt. Jung "Ohmygodmusclesdontworkthatway" Le Guerr.

And yes, they'll suck.

Or, give us guidelines for making our own "special officer."

Still. Less special characters.

**Zip Napalm**

Is Elite Imperial Guardsman an oxymoron?

**H.B.M.C.**

Only if you keep comparing them to 8-foot tall Super Humans that wear tank armour and are armed with rapid fire missile launchers.

BYE