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That's true most armies that i've seen only run 6.

Probably the most competitve 1750 list i've seen though is 6 oblits 2 lash sorcerers 2 5 man plauges with plasmas 2 5 man noises in rhinos and doom siren and an 8 man khorne unit with a power weapon in a land raider. Thats a TOUGH army to beat.

That's completly from memory but I think that's what it was anywany. But I Tabled it anyway.

Against nob bikers it's pretty simple land raiders in front and vinies to the side with the razorback and rhino behind castle up and fire orbital bombardments that ignore cover FNPand multi wound then vindicate them. When they get too close have your redeemers redeeme themselves (haha) with holy fire and terminater goodness. Adon't forget to send those attack bikes out and about for those grots and DO NOT let Snikrot and friends get near your transports. A redeemer shot and a few bolters will get rid of that pain. Just reduce the nob bikers with vindies which ignore 2 wounds and FNP and then hit them with termies.

That is a match up in which you need to go first.

Those are sound tactics.

G

Your list looks interesting, but it appears you base a good amount of your tactics off of specific terrain set up. What about situations (specifically tournaments) where terrain is already set up?

Turn 1 I move up and orbital bombardemnt a broadside unit oh did I insta-kill you and didn't even allow you a cover save then vindies do damage to the other 2 units and the 2 redeemers pop smoke and hope for the best but, even if you pop them your facing 5 termies and 10 marines 12" away from you...

For one thing, the broadsides will rarely be without shield drone support. So they will always get to shoot at you. Broadsides are much harder to break then you would think.

It's actually not that based on terrain I just used terrain as an example to show that you don't want the enemy near the boar edges. Anything that outflanks would work to the same effect I use the same idea with my nids in the form of outflanking stealers.

Thanks G.

And Shuma Gorath it probably is harder than I give it credit for ubt, this list should hit the top tables FAST so, tau hopefully wont be an issue.

Yeah, the best thing about this list is that the armies that would give it troubles typically don't make it to the latter rounds of a tournament.

It's true can anyone think of top table list that could ive it trouble? I'm not just talking about bob bikers and double lash but, anything. Demons? I have no idea since I don't think there is a sinle 40k demon play in New Jersey...

Daemons could give you serious trouble with all the drop infantry carrying meltaguns. Bloodcrushers make quick work of assault termies. Mech Dark Eldar are also a top tourney list that would likely table you. Fortunately even if they make it pretty far they are unlikely to play you since there's rarely more than two DE players. Loota spamming ork hordes could give you pretty big troubles as well, it's not too hard for 45 lootas to kill 2 vindicators, and assault termies aren't killing 150+ orks.

Loota spam i'm not too afraid since I do have redeemers DE does basically = autoloss though but, how would this list counter demons?

So why Pedro over a generic Chapter Master so you can keep Combat Tactics?

I think Pedro is necessary to run with the Assault Termies, just for greater impact when they hit in close combat.

A Codificier would be a nice add-on to block psychic powers, especially in a tournament environment. But I don't know how to save 100 pts.

Lash spam could drop some C termies behind your lines, which could give your troops problems as well as a Daemon prince, yet only few people would do this with 2 Land Raiders heading for there front lines...

I don't think a librarians worth the 100 points since that's all he will be used for. But you're right about the terminaters Wuestenfux.

The terminaters are welcome to do so a vindicater to the face will make quick work of them not to mention a demon prince can lash all of 5 marines? Have fun.

But yermom isn't running Pedro with the termies, he is running them with a 5-man tac squad in a razorback.

Yes, but, that's only because RAW I need to be in a vehicle with fire points to use the orbital bombardment. But I would much rather him be with the 10 man tactical in the land raider for that extra umph if they need to charge.

I playtested the list against drop pod marines (basically Stelek's list but, instead of 1 sternguard unit 2 iron clads and a tactical and all his drop pods were naked). Anyway it rolled over me. He drop podded both sterns and the 2 dreads 1st turn he combat squaded 1 of the sterns and but raped both land raiders and then used the wound on 2+ round to kill 4 termies form their unit. Then the iron clads stunned a vindie. 1 vindie shot at the sterns and scattered off and blew up the drop pod and the attack bikes epic failed against the dreads. 2 more tacticals came in and killed the vindie and the razorback. But I actually won because my 5 marines with a missile held an OBJ in the corner and, last turn my 2 attack bikes that went into hiding turbo boosted out to contest 2 OBJ's. But if he was a better player I would have fotten tabled.

Is the drop pod list going to be 1 of those tier 2 armies that this list can't beat?

Is the drop pod list going to be 1 of those tier 2 armies that this list can't beat?

Depends.
If the drop podders pop your Land Raiders by meltas (and that's the most efficient way to do it), then your army will be in trouble.

Well that would be the reason a drop pod army would give me any trouble whatsoever. How do you think I should deal with it if they do?

An inquisitor with a pair of mysics would reaslly help against a drop pod list, only need to find 32 points., if you can spare 80 or so get an inquistor lord with three mystics and a psychic hood.

Interesting idea but, wouldn't I only be able to shoot the DP since unit is just disembarking?

Nope, if you read the daemonhunter FAQ you can either target the unit or the drop pod for each deep striker within the mysics range.

The trick is to get the Inquisitor in the position to provide the best coverage available and make sure to have a unit within 12" of the Inquisitor that can fire on the drop poding/deepstriking unit.

That would laso be an issue since he wont be able to just hide in a land raider or a transport because, of his retinue. Hmm? (walks away thinking of how to deal with that)

Just put him behind a Land raider or vindicator, depending on how he is set up you can avoid LOS to most of the board.

Although the mystics are great anti-DP defence, they are not remarkably effective versus the One-Melta-Guy squad without much short of a devastator squad toting plasma cannons.

That's a good point sourclams. Do you have an alternate anti drop pod solution though.

I really don't. I mean, that's the big problem with running elite lists with expensive toys, right? Either drop pods have juicy targets to pop, or you have to deploy your guys in concentric rings around your favorite toys to keep that exact thing from happening.

What do you think of going second and starting in reserve since most DP list's anti tank are meltaguns they have to get uncomfortably close to waor and if I can deny them the first strike then I greatly take away from the strength of a DP army.

Biggest problem is any player playing a drop pod list will try and get the 2nd turn. Reserves also leaves things to chance.

yermom wrote:Well that would be the reason a drop pod army would give me any trouble whatsoever. How do you think I should deal with it if they do?

I'd bunch the army in my deployment zone so that the Landraiders are being protected by the Vindicators.
In particular, the Landraider transporting the Termies should be shielded so that it can deliver its payload.