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With reference to Rap music, it's first decade and a half, I see it as being roughly analogous with British Punk, in that it was street kids with something to say trying to be heard. Quite a lot of political stuff.

Then we come to P Doowahdiddydiddydumdiddydoo and his marry band of arseholes who just cover stuff, and promote a bollocks lifestyle they have no right discussing seeing as they are now exceedingly wealthy and removed themselves from it as fast as possible....And as for Fliddy Cent....what the hell happened to Keeping It Real? I mean...fictional novels...fictional computer games.... It's pathetic!

Most of what warpcrafter said matches my tastes, minus Arch Enemy and Cradle of S*** (purely because of the piss vocals), plus Deicide. I've only heard Death Magnetic once, and it was a vast, VAST improvement over... you know what I'm taliking about... but IMO Metallica died in the arse along with Cliff and his smooooooth distortion. Puppets was the best.

I used to listen to a lot of grindy crap, but if it doesn't have the 'death groove' I don't really care for it. Speaking of which, add Death to the list. Some Aussie metal bands have been okay, Shigella, Elysian (inquire)... Minus Life was pretty good.

As a keyboardist I'm attracted to some strange kinds of music... certain waveforms just set me off. All sorts of progressive keyboard work interests me, although Electronica/Dance is still evil, evil s***. Lots of classical and grand old churchy/Mass pieces are pleasant to my ear as well. My grandfather was a church organist for over fifty years... I'm not religious myself, but I love that instrument.

Deep forest.



Yes I'm odd

Chrysaor686 wrote:About time one of these popped up. Props for recognizing Necrophagist as one of your favorite bands. Muhammed Suicmez is incredible.

1 - Necrophagist
2 - Psyclon Nine
3 - Inferi
4 - Voice of Vision
5 - Arsis
6 - Colombine.
7 - Blotted Science
8 - The Faceless
9 - Tool
10 - Deftones

Honorable mention -

Akira Yamaoka
As Eden Burns
Enfold Darkness
A Loathing Requiem
Cyanotic
Spastic Ink
The Black Dahlia Murder
Nile
Cattle Decapitation
Through the Eyes of the Dead
Cephalic Carnage
Napalm Death
Cannibal Corpse
As Blood Runs Black
Opeth
Goatwhore
Job for a Cowboy
Origin
Sleep Terror
A Fear Called Treason
As We Fight
In Flames
Burn the Priest (Lamb of God)
God Forbid
Trivium
Mortiis
Meshuggah
Nine Inch Nails
My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult
Skinny Puppy
Ohgr
Caustic
Dyksick
Fear Factory
Between the Buried and Me
Small Town Murder
Skeletonwitch
More Machine than Man
Hanzel Und Gretyl
Velvet Acid Christ
Modular
Dying Fetus
Circle of Dead Children
Gaza
Here in the Rain
Helltrash
Malfaktor
KMFDM
Scale the Summit
Psycroptic
Dimmu Borgir
Bereavement
Dream Theater
Cynic
Jeff Loomis
Ron Jarzombek
Michael Angelo Batio
Yngwie Malmsteen
Herman Li
Aesop Rock
Deltron
The Porcupine Tree
Ulver
Led Zeppelin
Fiat
Charlie Parker
Victor Wooten
Pat Metheney
Paganini
Bach

Among many others...

Youre a man of taste, I see. & Necrophagist is everyones favourite band, some people just dont know it yet...

I'm constantly defending Cradle of Filth. The reason I like them is that they are versatile. Dani Filth has an incredibly wide range and he does more than just plow through the song. Anyhow, how many other bands have the occasional spoken word bits from Doug Bradley on their records? Granted, Shagrath has him beat any day of the week on pure menace, but there it is.

Im in the same boat as you warpcrafter. I actually like Dani Filth's vocals. I would complain that the only truly interesting musician is the drummer, but they have some good song arrangements.

I think the reason a lot of people hate them is because they do to black metal what trivium & bullet do to thrash... pop in metal's clothing. Dimmu are the same, to a lesser extent. Its not bad, just a different way of looking at it. & everyone loves a bit of cheesiness.

Soundgarden (pre Black Hole Sun)
Zeppelin
May Blitz
Creedence Clearwater
Bjork
Goatsnake
Autechre
Boards Of Canada
Electric Wizard
Sunn o)))
Earth
At The Drive-In
Party Of Helicopters
Meshuggah
Nile
Talking Heads

Queensryche.
Dead Kennedys
The Cult.

As for the modern take on "punk", I believe Jello Biafra said it best.

"Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon"

I mostly like film scores.

But as for a band, I'll name a musician.

Prince.

Such a legend that when he covered Foo Fighters at the Super Bowl a few years back without permission, Taylor Hawkins basically said " Who gives a ****, Prince is covering our song!"

"Dude, I have no idea why he did it, but I'd love to find out," Hawkins laughed. "I mean, the thought went through my head that maybe he was doing it as a sort of 'F--- you' to us, or maybe he really likes the song. Either way, it was pretty amazing to have a guy like Prince covering one of our songs — and actually doing it better than we did."

Ridiculously talented musician.

Purple Rain > Your Favorite Album

chromedog wrote:"Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon"

I couldn't agree more.

The reason of (mainly UK) Punk is now dead and gone. Despite what some might say, things are a hell of a lot better for the Yoof that the late 70's.

But some Punk Bands are still going, notably The Toy Dolls, one of my favourites. Saw them 2007, best gig of my life!

warpcrafter wrote:I'm constantly defending Cradle of Filth. The reason I like them is that they are versatile. Dani Filth has an incredibly wide range and he does more than just plow through the song. Anyhow, how many other bands have the occasional spoken word bits from Doug Bradley on their records? Granted, Shagrath has him beat any day of the week on pure menace, but there it is.

I agree that they're both incredible vocalists, but Dani just pisses me off. Kills the groove. Shagrath does none of that.

Trivium is a great joke. They take the first 'h' out of 'thrash'.

My mother listened to Deep Forest when I was a kid and it scarred me. Makes me want to become a lumberjack... aargh!

LuciusAR wrote:Dance. Well I've never been a big dance fan, and the last Dance album I enjoyed was the last Prodigy one which was what 4 years ago? In fact as I peruse my IPod I notice that most of the dance tracks I love (Orbital, Chemical Bros, Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, Matrix film scores) are generally from the mid-late 90's. Hmm you may be onto something MDK.

Ah yes, a typical mainstream viewpoint there (which thanks to what goes and what doesn't in the mainstream nowadays, isn't your fault). You're not going to find good dance music listening to mainstream radio stations and film soundtracks. Neither can you value it based on that. I've been djing dance music from dnb to house, breaks and dubstep for the last ten years and it is by far the most diverse, fresh and experimental music out there at the moment, mainly cause its made by people the same as you and me who dont have a six figure contract wiht one of the three major labels. But it still and always will manage to provoke the ignorant "oh your into dance? I love ____(insert Orbital, Chemical Bros, Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, Prodigy as appropriate)" as if they are the only people producing dance music.

Saying that I find arguments about music one of the most ridiculous notions, everyone has their own tastes. I myself have been brought up with music and like stuff ranging from abba to venetian snares and can appreciate good music in a lot of places today. Sure i might not like all of it but claiming it's "gak" is a bit ignorant and self righteous for my liking and if there's one thing I can manage it's appreciating why someone else would like the music I don't.

Does anyone listen to any grunge music? Aside from the ones that everyone knows (i.e Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam).

I like TAD, The Melvins, Screaming Trees and Mudhoney, well as far as lesser known grunge bands go anyway.

Meh. Grune doesn't really do it for me.

Though having said that, I tend to decide whether I like stuff on a band by band, song by song basis. Unless it's old Punk, in which case I will probably love it.

Yeah, I'm from the Seattle area so it's like my history, that's probably why I'm into it. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Celtic Frost anyone?

Ive never really been a grunge person, but celtic frost are sexy!

whatwhat wrote:
Ah yes, a typical mainstream viewpoint there (which thanks to what goes and what doesn't in the mainstream nowadays, isn't your fault). You're not going to find good dance music listening to mainstream radio stations and film soundtracks. Neither can you value it based on that. I've been djing dance music from dnb to house, breaks and dubstep for the last ten years and it is by far the most diverse, fresh and experimental music out there at the moment, mainly cause its made by people the same as you and me who dont have a six figure contract wiht one of the three major labels. But it still and always will manage to provoke the ignorant "oh your into dance? I love ____(insert Orbital, Chemical Bros, Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, Prodigy as appropriate)" as if they are the only people producing dance music.

Saying that I find arguments about music one of the most ridiculous notions, everyone has their own tastes. I myself have been brought up with music and like stuff ranging from abba to venetian snares and can appreciate good music in a lot of places today. Sure i might not like all of it but claiming it's "gak" is a bit ignorant and self righteous for my liking and if there's one thing I can manage it's appreciating why someone else would like the music I don't.

I'll give you that. Trouble is that the same could be applied for almost any genre. The 'mainstream' will always be the entry point for any fan of a genre of music.

Ask the most hardcore underground dance fan what their first exposure to dance music was and the answer, chances are, will be one of the acts that are commonly heard on the radio. Your quite correct that most of the dance acts I like are 'mainstream' but that’s because I was never particularly inspired to explore the genre further.

I'm 30 and so started paying attention to music in the early/mid 90's when I was in my teens. My first Metal/Band bands were GnR, Nirvana, Bon Jovi and Metallica the First Indie Rock bands I heard were Oasis and Pulp for Dance it was the Prodigy. My first punk bands were The Offspring and the Sex Pstols. All mainstream, all with plenty of exposure. I dug further in some genres but not in others.

For the record I've never liked the idea that is often banded about on the Internet that the 'mainstream' is often the worst or weakest that a genere has to offer. That acts who have any success outside of the Elite h are somehow less talented, are 'posers' or have 'sold-out' (a horrible phrase, grounded almost entirely in sour grapes).

The metal scene is particularly bad for this. It's one of the many reasons I grew tired of the metal scene. Far to many elitist idiots who thought it appropriate to accuse me of not being 'metal' enough because I honestly preferred Iron Maiden to their obscure favourite Death/Black/Grind band and because I committed the carnal sins of not listening exclusively to metal or dressing metal. Sorry I personally never saw the connection between musical tastes and dress sence, and the typical metalhead 'look' had no appeal to me. Besides why would I dictate my dress sense on a genre that at the time made up about 40% of my music collection (these days its about 20%)?

Now firstly I though it was about enjoying music, not a dick measuring content about who's the most 'Metal'. Secondly I have nothing against the more underground/etreme metal styles and do enjoy one or two and if thats what flots your boat then more power to you. But why the hell should I not enjoy a band who is successful without fear of ridicule. I find it highly ironic that the 'true metal' brigade love to throw the term 'posers' around. Yet they are by far the biggest posers I've ever come across.

Sorry evreyone I'll get off my now.

The Thousandth Son wrote:Yeah, I'm from the Seattle area so it's like my history, that's probably why I'm into it. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Celtic Frost anyone?

Heard one or 2 of their songs (Circle of the Tyrants was one if I remember?). Fully aware of their importance in the development of death/black metal scenes. Musically there really not my cup of tea, grunt vocals and blastbeats just never did it for me. Lot of respect for them though.

As for Grunge, well its like any Genre, a few great bands and a ton of crap. AIC are one of my favourite bands of all time. I'm looking forward to the new material and really liked Jerry's solo efforts. Not heard the new vocalist, im sure he'll be no Layne but I honestly hope he doesn’t try to be. He should find his own style and bring that to the band.

i interrupt this stream of ridiculously sized posts to update my top 10

10 alter bridge
9 seether
8 psychostick
7 beastie boys
6 finger eleven
5 ray stevens
4 disturbed
3 slipknot
2 mudvayne
1 five finger death punch

and again my playlist(updated)

http://view.playlist.com/7915239947

LuciusAR wrote:

whatwhat wrote:
Ah yes, a typical mainstream viewpoint there (which thanks to what goes and what doesn't in the mainstream nowadays, isn't your fault). You're not going to find good dance music listening to mainstream radio stations and film soundtracks. Neither can you value it based on that. I've been djing dance music from dnb to house, breaks and dubstep for the last ten years and it is by far the most diverse, fresh and experimental music out there at the moment, mainly cause its made by people the same as you and me who dont have a six figure contract wiht one of the three major labels. But it still and always will manage to provoke the ignorant "oh your into dance? I love ____(insert Orbital, Chemical Bros, Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, Prodigy as appropriate)" as if they are the only people producing dance music.

Saying that I find arguments about music one of the most ridiculous notions, everyone has their own tastes. I myself have been brought up with music and like stuff ranging from abba to venetian snares and can appreciate good music in a lot of places today. Sure i might not like all of it but claiming it's "gak" is a bit ignorant and self righteous for my liking and if there's one thing I can manage it's appreciating why someone else would like the music I don't.

I'll give you that. Trouble is that the same could be applied for almost any genre. The 'mainstream' will always be the entry point for any fan of a genre of music.

Ask the most hardcore underground dance fan what their first exposure to dance music was and the answer, chances are, will be one of the acts that are commonly heard on the radio. Your quite correct that most of the dance acts I like are 'mainstream' but that’s because I was never particularly inspired to explore the genre further.

I'm 30 and so started paying attention to music in the early/mid 90's when I was in my teens. My first Metal/Band bands were GnR, Nirvana, Bon Jovi and Metallica the First Indie Rock bands I heard were Oasis and Pulp for Dance it was the Prodigy. My first punk bands were The Offspring and the Sex Pstols. All mainstream, all with plenty of exposure. I dug further in some genres but not in others.

Yeh I think I agree with a lot of what you say, however I don't think genres should be judged on how mainstream they are like you seemed to do in your earlier post when you claimed dance has been finished since the nineties due to the lack of bands like the prodigy, chemical brothers, orbital etc. etc. That was my point really.

For the record I've never liked the idea that is often banded about on the Internet that the 'mainstream' is often the worst or weakest that a genere has to offer. That acts who have any success outside of the Elite h are somehow less talented, are 'posers' or have 'sold-out' (a horrible phrase, grounded almost entirely in sour grapes).

The metal scene is particularly bad for this. It's one of the many reasons I grew tired of the metal scene. Far to many elitist idiots who thought it appropriate to accuse me of not being 'metal' enough because I honestly preferred Iron Maiden to their obscure favourite Death/Black/Grind band and because I committed the carnal sins of not listening exclusively to metal or dressing metal. Sorry I personally never saw the connection between musical tastes and dress sence, and the typical metalhead 'look' had no appeal to me. Besides why would I dictate my dress sense on a genre that at the time made up about 40% of my music collection (these days its about 20%)?

Now firstly I though it was about enjoying music, not a dick measuring content about who's the most 'Metal'. Secondly I have nothing against the more underground/etreme metal styles and do enjoy one or two and if thats what flots your boat then more power to you. But why the hell should I not enjoy a band who is successful without fear of ridicule. I find it highly ironic that the 'true metal' brigade love to throw the term 'posers' around. Yet they are by far the biggest posers I've ever come across.

Sorry everyone I'll get off my now.

For me its more an eccentricity. I find a nice bar I like which has character and personality, all of a sudden it starts becoming a bit more crowded until everyone in their believes they know more about the place than you do, I go looking for a different bar and the circle starts again. I know it's a bit selfish maybe, but theres something a bit romantic about niches you don't get in the mainstream which draws me in.

LuciusAR wrote:The 'mainstream' will always be the entry point for any fan of a genre of music.

Ask the most hardcore underground dance fan what their first exposure to dance music was and the answer, chances are, will be one of the acts that are commonly heard on the radio. Your quite correct that most of the dance acts I like are 'mainstream' but that’s because I was never particularly inspired to explore the genre further.

I'm 30 and so started paying attention to music in the early/mid 90's when I was in my teens. My first Metal/Band bands were GnR, Nirvana, Bon Jovi and Metallica the First Indie Rock bands I heard were Oasis and Pulp for Dance it was the Prodigy. My first punk bands were The Offspring and the Sex Pstols. All mainstream, all with plenty of exposure. I dug further in some genres but not in others.

For the record I've never liked the idea that is often banded about on the Internet that the 'mainstream' is often the worst or weakest that a genere has to offer. That acts who have any success outside of the Elite h are somehow less talented, are 'posers' or have 'sold-out' (a horrible phrase, grounded almost entirely in sour grapes).

The metal scene is particularly bad for this. It's one of the many reasons I grew tired of the metal scene. Far to many elitist idiots who thought it appropriate to accuse me of not being 'metal' enough because I honestly preferred Iron Maiden to their obscure favourite Death/Black/Grind band and because I committed the carnal sins of not listening exclusively to metal or dressing metal. Sorry I personally never saw the connection between musical tastes and dress sence, and the typical metalhead 'look' had no appeal to me. Besides why would I dictate my dress sense on a genre that at the time made up about 40% of my music collection (these days its about 20%)?

Now firstly I though it was about enjoying music, not a dick measuring content about who's the most 'Metal'. Secondly I have nothing against the more underground/etreme metal styles and do enjoy one or two and if thats what flots your boat then more power to you. But why the hell should I not enjoy a band who is successful without fear of ridicule. I find it highly ironic that the 'true metal' brigade love to throw the term 'posers' around. Yet they are by far the biggest posers I've ever come across.

Sorry evreyone I'll get off my soapbox now.

All apologies. I never intended to get into a pissing contest with you about metal, and if that's what it seems like, then I'm sorry.

As for the word "poser"...I've never used the word "poser" to describe anyone in my life. You listen to what you listen to, and if that's what you like, then as you said, more power to you. The only time I start getting a problem with people is when they insult the music that I personally listen to, thus insulting my intelligence in the process. I can easily understand why anyone wouldn't like metal, and wouldn't want to listen to it, but (especially) when someone starts to insult people for listening to a certain genre of music, then all of my acceptance goes out the window. There is always the off chance that someone isn't one of those elitist metalhead bastards.

Now, if someone is questioning your dedication to a form of music because you don't dress or act a certain way, then they are obviously immature, and chances are that they are going through a (post) adolescent phase. It's probably due to some pent up teenage angst. These people, for the most part, hold no actual appreciation for music, and make people like me look bad. If you're allowing people's opinions of you to stop you from listening to a certain type of music, you probably never liked that certain type of music too much to begin with.

Metal is an intrinsic part of my life, not because it's "violent", not because it's "hardcore", but because it contains virtuosity that you literally cannot find anywhere else. Anyone who does not at least respect metal has obviously not picked up a guitar, or ever taken a look at a sheet of music (and fully understood it). I think that musicians are able to look upon the metal genre in a much different light than anyone else.

Why don't I have any respect for the mainstream? Well, mostly it has to do with how restricted it is. People somehow dictate that the majority of people cannot enjoy a song if it goes anywhere beyond five different chords, and so true musical talent is shunned in favor of something that's...I guess...more acceptable? Do you find classical on the mainstream radio whatsoever? No. Do you find Jazz on the mainstream radio whatsoever? Not really. All that is run by non-profit public stations, which in my opinion is completely unacceptable. I don't like people dictating what I can and can't listen to by imposing their biases towards certain forms of music on me. You can't find Industrial whatsoever on a radio (besides perhaps Nine Inch Nails). And mainstream metal is so watered down that it's about a hair away from being generic rock, anyway.

I'm not going to insult you for listening to mainstream music. I'm just too desensitized to it to find any enjoyment in it, that's all.

I'll give you that. Trouble is that the same could be applied for almost any genre. The 'mainstream' will always be the entry point for any fan of a genre of music.

Ask the most hardcore underground dance fan what their first exposure to dance music was and the answer, chances are, will be one of the acts that are commonly heard on the radio. Your quite correct that most of the dance acts I like are 'mainstream' but that’s because I was never particularly inspired to explore the genre further.

I'm 30 and so started paying attention to music in the early/mid 90's when I was in my teens. My first Metal/Band bands were GnR, Nirvana, Bon Jovi and Metallica the First Indie Rock bands I heard were Oasis and Pulp for Dance it was the Prodigy. My first punk bands were The Offspring and the Sex Pstols. All mainstream, all with plenty of exposure. I dug further in some genres but not in others.

For the record I've never liked the idea that is often banded about on the Internet that the 'mainstream' is often the worst or weakest that a genere has to offer. That acts who have any success outside of the Elite h are somehow less talented, are 'posers' or have 'sold-out' (a horrible phrase, grounded almost entirely in sour grapes).

The metal scene is particularly bad for this. It's one of the many reasons I grew tired of the metal scene. Far to many elitist idiots who thought it appropriate to accuse me of not being 'metal' enough because I honestly preferred Iron Maiden to their obscure favourite Death/Black/Grind band and because I committed the carnal sins of not listening exclusively to metal or dressing metal.

QFT 110% truth. The "metal" scene I find especially amusing as it espouses some kind of outsider "we're misunderstood as we're different" vibe and then its members seem to spend almost their entire time putting down other bands as not being hardcore enough or selling out. To steal from Mr. Chromedog earlier, i remember Jello Biafra making some point similar to do with the collapse of the punk scene, and I think the dance scene has gone/is going through something similar at the moment.

Those of you in the UK and of a similar age to Mr. LuciusAr and myself : You seen the film "Human Traffic" ? I found that frighteningly accurate, especially with regards to the people moaning about how much better "the scene" was back in the day, but not actually doing any $%^&*%$ thing about it.

They're almost as bad as wargamers on the internet !

vaguely back @ topic :

I like a lot of the bands mentioned, I also dig Cabaret Voltaire/Godstar, Senser, Arctic Monkeys/Last Shadow Puppets, Matisyahu, Dan le Sac and Scroobius Pip-- I just cannot stop playing that album !-- 2 Many DJs/Radio Soulwax, hallucinogen, Josh Wink, Lemon Jelly, The Doors, Christian Death.

I guess it all really depends on what I'm doing. Oh, and how hungover I am.

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Seriously though, 1. for everyone should read Weird Al Yankovic. Or Andrew WK.

Pretty simple for me:

Breaking Benjamin
Seether
Three Days Grace
Revis
Red Hot Chili Peppers (Flea made my ears bleed once!)

Other than that I tend to listen to soundtracks scores.

in no particular order

Less Than Jake
Smashing Pumpkins
Slipknot
Tool
Prodigy
Beastie Boys
Running Wild (Pirate Metal is awesome!)
Led Zepplin
Queens of the Stone Age (well the first two albums at least)
Jimmy Eat World

Nine Inch Nails
Alice In Chains (can't wait for new album)
Nirvana
SeLF (bonus points if you have ever heard of them)
Fluid Ounces (If you never heard of SeLF then I seriously doubt you have ever heard of these guys who have worked with them)
Insane Clown Posse & Dark Lotus (guilty pleasures that I totally blame on my Girlfriend for getting me into)
Soundgarden (Chris and Kim need to kiss and make up and get a ing reunion tour going)
Tool
Bush (though for some odd reason I really don't like their stuff that gets used as singles... more of a deep cuts fan of theirs)
White/Rob Zombie (more white than solo releases but he still cranks out some good stuff on his own.

Honorable mentions...
Slipknot (probably about as metal as I go)
Poe
Smashing pumpkins
Weezer
Blur
U.N.K.L.E.
Diggable Planets
Digital Underground
(The) Prodigy
Puddle of Mudd (alright 2nd/3rd iteration AIC clone without the vocal harmonies unfortunately)
Metalica (how the mighty have fallen)
Beastie Boys (current stuff is kind of off though... might be time to call em beastie men?)
Dethklock (fan of the show and their music is reletively fun... kind of want some suggestions for melodic black/death metal in their vien)

LuciusAR wrote:Heard one or 2 of their songs (Circle of the Tyrants was one if I remember?). Fully aware of their importance in the development of death/black metal scenes. Musically there really not my cup of tea, grunt vocals and blastbeats just never did it for me. Lot of respect for them though.

As for Grunge, well its like any Genre, a few great bands and a ton of crap. AIC are one of my favourite bands of all time. I'm looking forward to the new material and really liked Jerry's solo efforts. Not heard the new vocalist, im sure he'll be no Layne but I honestly hope he doesn’t try to be. He should find his own style and bring that to the band.

I have, he's actually pretty damn good, nowhere near as good as Layne but still an amazing singer. Yeah Jerry's solo music is great, I loved Anger Rising and Dickeye, plus he was Alice in Chains, he wrote about 80% of all their music.