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well, i really wanted the second song to be obamalot... but i couldent find it on youtube so i had to settle for those other 2. it had more to do with political crap.

as for the 1st video, i found a more suiting one and put it as my sig.

ChaosDave wrote:
Actually no they didn't. There was a media campaign to discredit the amount of money he spent on the inauguration prior to him even taking office. BTW that amount was about 1/3rd the amount Obama spent, just for comparison.

A media campaign does not entail total media bias. The media is not a singular entity.

So, I'm going to try to deconstruct the revised Messiah clip.

I'm not sure who the target audience is for this, but I'm guessing it's people that already dislike the guy, because it never really makes a case against the man. It's mocking, to be sure, and it's a good dig at those that seem to think that Obama is going to magically fix things, but I've watched it a couple of times now, and there really isn't any sort of critique ever made. It could be really subtle, but I think if you showed it to 1000 people that didn't think "socialist" was a dirty word, it'd be an even split on whether the clip was gently mocking a beloved figure or an overly subtle skewering of a political foe.

One thing to notice is that while guns are brought up twice in the clip, it's never with regards of anything Mr. Obama is doing. The first reference is to "give him your money and your guns" and the second is "Lord Barry heal the bitter ones, clinging to faith and to guns." It's interesting, because it's a red herring. He's never mentioned guns, never really made an issue of guns, and with the current political climate, it's hard to imagine such an issue being part of the discourse during his term. This is a pretty classic red herring. It's meant to tap into angst a lot of people have over gun control, and apply it to a target that, while no fan of guns, isn't exactly making them a priority.

It's also interesting that the line "Lord Barry heal the bitter ones, clinging to faith and to guns" is meant to be one of the funnier lines in the song, and is actually mocking any attempt to find common ground and end extreme partisanship. It's a little cynical to mock even the attempt.

Now, the funniest bit is the one right at the end: "hope for the change of hope of the change." That nicely points out Mr. Obama's tendency to speak in platitudes instead of policy. Of course, history is full of losing candidates who speak eagerly and confidently on the issues (GHW Bush, Nixon in '60, Gore, and even Dewey). But I think if there's something to mock in BHO, his slightly superficial oratory and resemblance to the Smiler from Transmetropolitan.

So, unless I'm missing something, and if I am please let me know, I'm not really certain how that video actually is satirical. It's either the most low key satire ever, I'm missing something, or it was pretty badly botched.

Envy89 wrote:Hay, the Republicans had to endure 8 years of the media firing on all cylinders at bush.

That's because he tried his best to ruin this country. You suck.

The part about healing the bitter ones I think was referencing to when lord obama was talking to a group of social elites saying that all small town people are bitter white people who cling to religion and guns.

This made then news for a few mins. Then they went right back to "yes we can", "its change you can believe in".....

Envy89 wrote:The part about healing the bitter ones I think was referencing to when lord obama was talking to a group of social elites saying that all small town people are bitter white people who cling to religion and guns.

Ah yes... I remember that. I'd make a big deal of explaining that quotes are out of context and blah blah blah, but as a soon to be member of the social elite, I pretty much agree with the statement. A lot of folks are bitter, and turn to extremism, be it religious fundamentalism, militancy, or hate groups. I think you need only listen to talk radio to see how many angry honkies are in this country.

The more I think of it, the more I realize that the video points out a pretty deep divide in the country. I don't even feel like arguing the points it's making, I agree with them!

B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein Superallah Obama wrote:On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.

We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.

A call for unity seems a good idea. But then I'm a screaming euro-pinko commie libtard, so what do I know?

gorgon wrote:Obama is going to be boring by comparison, though. Bush 43 was comic gold unseen since Ford was tripping over everything or Bush 41 was puking in foreign leaders' laps. And Bush was far more consistently funny than either of those two.

Bush is hilarious as long as you don't look at the body pile.

Envy89 wrote:The part about healing the bitter ones I think was referencing to when lord obama was talking to a group of social elites saying that all small town people are bitter white people who cling to religion and guns.

This made then news for a few mins. Then they went right back to "yes we can", "its change you can believe in".....

When asked why guns are such an important issue for a core of voters, Obama made his biggest mistake of the campaign… he spoke honestly.

Because that is a good question, when there a folk on or near the poverty line, and working folk in towns with declining industry and less job security by the day, folk with pressures to pay bills, underinsured and uninsured folk who’ll get bankrupted as soon as something goes wrong medically… why would guns be the most important issue for them? It is ridiculous.

So Obama said that it was because politicians from both sides had let them down. They’d made promises but never done anything to improve the lives of these people, and they’d understandably become bitter with politicians and clung to the one issue they felt they had some control over. Basically, people had become fixated on guns as an issue because they’d been failed on the things that really matter.

This answer was ridiculously miscast by the Republican attack dogs, and the ‘liberal media’ was happy to run with the more exciting version given in the Republican press releases. Obama learnt his lesson, returned to broad platitudes while McCain ran about like chook with his head cut off.

Polonius wrote:So, unless I'm missing something, and if I am please let me know, I'm not really certain how that video actually is satirical. It's either the most low key satire ever, I'm missing something, or it was pretty badly botched.

I think the answer is pretty simple; there is something desperately wrong with the right wing in your country. Those videos have no content beyond ‘Obama bad! Obama bad!!’ That appears enough for a significant portion of the right wing to classify and biting criticism.

Chris Wallace was just saying on FOX news that Obama might not really be president because the oath was kind of garbled – they’re talking about it going to the Supreme Court. It’s pathetic, and it’d be funny but the US right wing comes up with that kind of nonsense all the time.

There are certainly nutters with ridiculous ideas on the left wing. In most countries its much easier to find a left wing nutter than a right wing one but they remain an annoying fringe in their political movements. On the other hand the nutters are the dominant voice of the right wing in America. This thread was started with the idea that because a centrist candidate was nominated, the US should be retitled the United Socialist States of America. It’s absurd, but hardly unusual, so no-one commented.

There is something extremely wrong.

sebster wrote:Chris Wallace was just saying on FOX news that Obama might not really be president because the oath was kind of garbled

Per the 20th Amendment Obama became president at noon eastern, Oath or no Oath. And they can have a re-do of th oath. Cal Coolidge got his re-done with a Supreme Court Justice becaus epeople were concerned that a notary public (his dad) swearing him in might be a conflict of interest

Listen, none of you guys get to debate elitetism you aren't from real America. I am. Remember that? When Mr. McCain discredited the value of any vote within a 50 mile raidus of a city? That could an example under the definition of elitism.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Per the 20th Amendment Obama became president at noon eastern, Oath or no Oath. And they can have a re-do of th oath. Cal Coolidge got his re-done with a Supreme Court Justice becaus epeople were concerned that a notary public (his dad) swearing him in might be a conflict of interest

Don't tell me, tell Mr Wallace, he's the nutter.

well... this will have to do.

link to song http://www.talk2rusty.com/pages/CD-Queen
go down and play obamalot to get the tune to the song. hear are the lyrics.

Words by Rusty Humphries and Rich Davis

Cap and Trade will soon be legal law here
Big Brother will leave nothing left unplanned
and there's no legal limit to the taxes here
in Obamalot

Talk Radio is forbidden till December
And exits March the 2nd on the dot
By mandate Farrikahn lingers through September
In Obamalot

Obamalot
Obamalot

I know it sounds a bit bizarre
But in Obamalot
Obamalot
That's how the liberals are

Conservatives can't come out till after sundown
By 8 all scrutiny must disappear
In short there's simply not
A more socialistic plot
for taxing everaftering then
Here in Obamalot

(Obama)
Where white folks greed runs a world in need.
Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny. They don't pose a serious threat to us.
The Bush tax cuts ... People didn't need 'um and they weren't even askin' for 'um.
I've now been in 57 states.
By the way I have to say, I think Al Gore won.
But what people really want is farness.
We Are the ones we've been waiting for.

Obamalot
Obamalot

I know it gives Americans pause
But in Obamalot
Obamalot
Those are the loopy laws

Where hope will always trump reality
By 9 PM all decent must disappear
In short there's simply not
A more socialistic plot
for taxing everaftering then
Here in Obamalot


im not a fan of the other 2 videos... but i needed something for the poll.

EDIT : the hooked on a fealing obama song should make the list as well.

lol much fun in this thread


just cant stop the love

sebster wrote:

When asked why guns are such an important issue for a core of voters, Obama made his biggest mistake of the campaign… he spoke honestly.

Because that is a good question, when there a folk on or near the poverty line, and working folk in towns with declining industry and less job security by the day, folk with pressures to pay bills, underinsured and uninsured folk who’ll get bankrupted as soon as something goes wrong medically… why would guns be the most important issue for them? It is ridiculous.

So Obama said that it was because politicians from both sides had let them down. They’d made promises but never done anything to improve the lives of these people, and they’d understandably become bitter with politicians and clung to the one issue they felt they had some control over. Basically, people had become fixated on guns as an issue because they’d been failed on the things that really matter.

This answer was ridiculously miscast by the Republican attack dogs, and the ‘liberal media’ was happy to run with the more exciting version given in the Republican press releases. Obama learnt his lesson, returned to broad platitudes while McCain ran about like chook with his head cut off.

I don't know Sebster, it is the only thing the man said that ever came close to being personally offensive for me. The reason I don't let it bother me is that the statement really needs to be taken in context. I honestly believe that the man was probably trying to get across exactly what you are saying. Unfortunately, the immediate reaction I had was to feel objectified by it. I mean, "small town" is what was referred to, but we all know who he was talking about. To be even more brutally honest, I was miffed because I felt lumped in because of one opinion of mine with people whom I do not necessarily see eye to eye with.

Grignard wrote:I don't know Sebster, it is the only thing the man said that ever came close to being personally offensive for me. The reason I don't let it bother me is that the statement really needs to be taken in context. I honestly believe that the man was probably trying to get across exactly what you are saying. Unfortunately, the immediate reaction I had was to feel objectified by it. I mean, "small town" is what was referred to, but we all know who he was talking about. To be even more brutally honest, I was miffed because I felt lumped in because of one opinion of mine with people whom I do not necessarily see eye to eye with.

I can’t remember the exact wording, when I’ve got some time I’ll hunt it down, but for now I’ll admit it was possible that he chose his words poorly and it did come out more offensive than intended.

But I do remember his actual comments being a lot less offensive than the way his comments appeared when reported by others.

Envy89 wrote:The part about healing the bitter ones I think was referencing to when lord obama was talking to a group of social elites saying that all small town people are bitter white people who cling to religion and guns.

This made then news for a few mins. Then they went right back to "yes we can", "its change you can believe in".....

What's really funny is that gun sales went up drastically when Obama was elected because people where afraid of losing their right to own guns; hell some of my texas relatives, who haven't touched a gun pretty much in their entire life, got one.

So yeah, clinging is a bit right. He did choose his words a but poorly but accurately, though.

Btw, this is coming from a gun owner. I have a shotgun for hunting/home protection, an I have a pistol for target shooting. Even if gun control was an issue, I'd still vote for Obama, since I'm not a single issue voter and like Warhammer, hunting and target shooting is simply a hobby.

To be even more brutally honest, I was miffed because I felt lumped in because of one opinion of mine with people whom I do not necessarily see eye to eye with.

I think this is the real root of the issue. You don't like being lumped in with the small town folk who really do just bitterly hold onto their guns and remember the old days. Maine is full of such people (we basically have no economy now that fishing is dying and all of the mills shut down). But god damn does everyone like to hunt things you can get at a supermarket.

If it wasn't for this nagging comparison this would just be another standard left leaning policy issue that gets ignored in the face of how unimportant it truly is.

ShumaGorath wrote:

To be even more brutally honest, I was miffed because I felt lumped in because of one opinion of mine with people whom I do not necessarily see eye to eye with.

I think this is the real root of the issue. You don't like being lumped in with the small town folk who really do just bitterly hold onto their guns and remember the old days. Maine is full of such people (we basically have no economy now that fishing is dying and all of the mills shut down). But god damn does everyone like to hunt things you can get at a supermarket.

If it wasn't for this nagging comparison this would just be another standard left leaning policy issue that gets ignored in the face of how unimportant it truly is.

You see, that is part of the problem, why the feth should I have to rely on someone else to get my food, when if able, I can provide for myself? Do you really have such a problem with someone having that much independance?

You could smith your own locks too. It's still a waste of resources and time, and in huntings case land and human lives (albeit accidents are rare).



You live in a planetary society which is interdependent. If all of a sudden the farming system we have fails your rifles not going to count for much when it comes to feeding your family. The biosphere wouldn't be able to support 7 billion people (or even a fraction of that number) becoming hunter/gatherers. You would run out of things to feed yourself with in a week. If feeding yourself was all that important then why didn't you or anyone else make noise when commercial fertilizers became a tightly controlled commodity? Arguably those are much more important to actually feeding a populace.

I suspect it's because fertilizer doesn't make loud noises (unless you're blowing something up with it).

VermGho5t wrote:
You see, that is part of the problem, why the feth should I have to rely on someone else to get my food, when if able, I can provide for myself? Do you really have such a problem with someone having that much independance?

Did you mine the materials to make your gun? Did you sweat over a forge making it? Did you make your own ammo?

Did you weave your clothing from materials that you harvested?

Did you build the car that took you to where you hunted? Did you dig for the gas?

Did you build the roads?

Did you build the house you come back to? Found the materials to make it? Did you make your heating system?

Is hunting the only way you get food? If you stopped hunting, would you starve to death?

If you answered yes to all these things, kudos to you! You're independent!

If not, you relied on society so you could hunt.

In most cases, hunting is a pastime. I hunt because I like to, and I can get nice meat. It has nothing to do with independence. People who think hunting in America makes them "independent" is fooling themselves for the most part.

Of course, you could go to Australia/Africa and go hunting with some random tribe.

/\/\/\ I like you

Dear America

thank you for having a democratic majority that isn't insane,

signed

the rest of the world

Grignard wrote:
I don't know Sebster, it is the only thing the man said that ever came close to being personally offensive for me.

"They cling to guns, or religion"

It was a poor turn of phrase, but it wasn't inaccurate with respect to his meaning. And, in all honesty, I don't think it would apply to someone like you. At least as you represent yourself on the internet. You seem quite fair minded, despite our past differences.

Grignard wrote:
The reason I don't let it bother me is that the statement really needs to be taken in context. I honestly believe that the man was probably trying to get across exactly what you are saying. Unfortunately, the immediate reaction I had was to feel objectified by it. I mean, "small town" is what was referred to, but we all know who he was talking about. To be even more brutally honest, I was miffed because I felt lumped in because of one opinion of mine with people whom I do not necessarily see eye to eye with.

That's the thing with labels. They just don't have a place in public discourse. There are any number of debates about this on which I could pontificate (Atheism v. Theism, Christian v. Heathen, Smart v. Dumb, Media v. Limbaugh). In general, though, there is little use to labeling a person because one of their opinions fits the label. It doesn't foster progress, it fosters self-righteousness.

And, yes, I admit I have done this in the past.

Envy89 wrote:
Words by Rusty Humphries and Rich Davis

Ooh, lyrical commentary. Fun.

Envy89 wrote:
Cap and Trade will soon be legal law here

What cap and trade policy has Obama fronted?

Envy89 wrote:
Big Brother will leave nothing left unplanned
and there's no legal limit to the taxes

There is no legal limit to taxes, anywhere. Not even in Texas. So, um, uh...huh?

Envy89 wrote:
here in Obamalot

If this is Obamalot were the last 30 years Reaganopolis?

Envy89 wrote:
Talk Radio is forbidden till December

Well, it isn't. But more intriguingly, what does a lean on talk radio indicate with respect to American Conservatism? Perhaps an inability to adapt to modernity?

Envy89 wrote:
And exits March the 2nd on the dot
By mandate Farrikahn lingers through September
In Obamalot

Honestly, this doesn't even make sense.

Envy89 wrote:
Obamalot
Obamalot

Refrain, Refrain!

Envy89 wrote:
I know it sounds a bit bizarre

Because you stopped listening 30 years ago.

Envy89 wrote:
But in Obamalot
Obamalot
That's how the liberals are

Liberal in what sense? The non-royalist sense? The opposed to conservative sense? The right sense?

Envy89 wrote:
Conservatives can't come out till after sundown
By 8 all scrutiny must disappear
In short there's simply not
A more socialistic plot
for taxing everaftering then
Here in Obamalot

Dude. That is both unintelligible politically, and worthless aesthetically. Its like rhyming a term, in a rap, with 'my grandma's brand new broach!'

Envy89 wrote:
(Obama)
Where white folks greed runs a world in need.

Translation: I feel the need to identify as white.

Envy89 wrote:
Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny. They don't pose a serious threat to us.

They don't.

Envy89 wrote:
The Bush tax cuts ... People didn't need 'um and they weren't even askin' for 'um.

They didn't.

Envy89 wrote:
I've now been in 57 states.

You have a poor understanding of the word state.

Envy89 wrote:
By the way I have to say, I think Al Gore won.

When did he say that?

Envy89 wrote:
But what people really want is farness.

You don't want fairness?

Envy89 wrote:
We Are the ones we've been waiting for.

You're the one I've been running from?

Envy89 wrote:
Obamalot
Obamalot

Hooray.

Envy89 wrote:
I know it gives Americans pause
But in Obamalot
Obamalot
Those are the loopy laws

Are you saying he isn't a citizen, or that non-discrimination laws are bad?

Envy89 wrote:
Where hope will always trump reality

Do you know what reality is, or means, for that matter?

Envy89 wrote:
By 9 PM all decent must disappear
In short there's simply not
A more socialistic plot
for taxing everaftering then
Here in Obamalot

Seriously, the right wing cannot write intelligible lyrics.

Envy89 wrote:
im not a fan of the other 2 videos... but i needed something for the poll.

EDIT : the hooked on a fealing obama song should make the list as well.

Maybe, maybe not. Is it witty? Because this isn't really a list based on wit.

dogma wrote:"They cling to guns, or religion"

Indeed they do. comedy gold this.

I especially liked

How about praying for the repentance and conversion of the anti-Christ Obama from his agenda of death, theft and filth to an agenda of life, freedom and goodness?

and the best one was

Someone on TV and I wish I could remember who it was said that today is the death of the nation as a capitalist nation and by the time it is over with (President Chimpy my name for him) we will be a socialist democracy..no longer a republic..I think it was Dick Morris that said something to this effect on either O'R or Hannity last night.

Someone said it on the TV ! Oh noes ! It must be true. Damn liberal media..oh, hang on..

reds8n wrote:


and the best one was

Someone on TV and I wish I could remember who it was said that today is the death of the nation as a capitalist nation and by the time it is over with (President Chimpy my name for him) we will be a socialist democracy..no longer a republic..I think it was Dick Morris that said something to this effect on either O'R or Hannity last night.

Someone said it on the TV ! Oh noes ! It must be true. Damn liberal media..oh, hang on..

Wow... that guy was an idiot and a racist... must be from the south.

..err.... why ?

Thread keeps giving though :

Have you considered that he was elected in order to help fulfill the prophesy in the Book of Revelation. There's going to be a war between the Muslims and Israel, and the US is not going to be a player. Maybe he was put in place to sideline us.

If, in fact, it is the end times you'd better be praying for your soul and your loved ones. I suspect that Obama may have already sold his soul to the Devil and be beyond redemption.

He's getting the backing of Fox then ?

Take that American people ! Your election was decided by Satan.

Yes because there are no racists anywhere but in the South hey Fallen?

Take that American people ! Your election was decided by Satan.

What? Rosie ODonnell made a special appearance? Missed it again

ON the psoitive I'm wearing my inaugural Chavez shirt today. Viva Me!

ShumaGorath wrote:

To be even more brutally honest, I was miffed because I felt lumped in because of one opinion of mine with people whom I do not necessarily see eye to eye with.

I think this is the real root of the issue. You don't like being lumped in with the small town folk who really do just bitterly hold onto their guns and remember the old days. Maine is full of such people (we basically have no economy now that fishing is dying and all of the mills shut down). But god damn does everyone like to hunt things you can get at a supermarket.

If it wasn't for this nagging comparison this would just be another standard left leaning policy issue that gets ignored in the face of how unimportant it truly is.

But it is very important to me.

ShumaGorath wrote:You could smith your own locks too. It's still a waste of resources and time, and in huntings case land and human lives (albeit accidents are rare).



You live in a planetary society which is interdependent. If all of a sudden the farming system we have fails your rifles not going to count for much when it comes to feeding your family. The biosphere wouldn't be able to support 7 billion people (or even a fraction of that number) becoming hunter/gatherers. You would run out of things to feed yourself with in a week. If feeding yourself was all that important then why didn't you or anyone else make noise when commercial fertilizers became a tightly controlled commodity? Arguably those are much more important to actually feeding a populace.

I suspect it's because fertilizer doesn't make loud noises (unless you're blowing something up with it).

Just because you have to eventualy trade with other people for the things you need doesn't mean that some people aren't more resourceful and self reliant than others. Obviously no one thinks they can manufacture there own rifles, refine their own petroleum, etc all by themselves. But there is a world of difference in culture still.

Some people did have a fit about the ammonium nitrate issue. I thought it was silly that people suddenly started paying attention to it because of, guess what, the television media. It is especially silly since black powder, for instance, can be compounded from widely availible ingredients, all of which are naturally availible or produced using very simple processes.

ok, obama can say that small town people are bitter white folks who cling to religon and guns. and its no big deal.

now then.... what do you think would have happend is McCain said people in urban areas are ignorant black folk who drop out of school and join gangs.

well??? do you think the media would have just passed it up. or whould they are pounded him into the ground for it.

remember Dan Quayle and the word potato....