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Are there any official rule set for GTs and such run by GW themselves, where 40mm is standardized "legal" size for Termies etc, or is it just a general assumption that the newer ones are the only legit ones?

Actually, it is assumption that says any size is legal.

The rules say use the base it is provided with. plastic sm termie are provided with both 40mm and 25mm bases. (edit: we can argue till the cows come home about teleport homers and such, but the simple fact is what the rules say, and that box is provided with two differing base sizes) Chaos plastic termies are provided with 40mm bases.

Atleast in 4th ed there was a rough guide line for models and basing ( the base it was provided, or larger). The current rules on basing wouldnt be a problem if it wasnt for GW's inconsistent past in basing. (Grots on football/kidneybean bases as one striking example)
So we are stuck with this type of thread every so often.

lesson learned:
Don't sweat base sizes. This game isn't that well defined to sweat base sizes. Worrying about it is really taking the whole mess a bit too far.
It really, honestly, actually is a non issue despite the constant recurrence of this thread subject.

Yeah Ghaz. See this is more than reasonable.

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I've seen this argument before and I think I asked the same thing then with no reply. Where does this supposed rule for mounting your figures, 'on the base it came with', come from? The rules do not state that at all. It just says that models are supplied with a base and then in another sentence that figures must be glued onto their base before being used in-game. To say that, 'models have to be put on the base they came with' is presupposing that the base a figure comes with is the same base it has to be mounted on. Given that the following paragraph also states the need for approval for models mounted on 'impressive scenic bases' I think that implies it's fine for other bases to be used.

Another thing about this argument that has never been stated, only alluded to, is how mounting a model on a 25mm base instead of a 40mm base changes the rules, allowing someone to cheat? I personally don't see it so if there's something I'm missing please elaborate.

sorry but I have no clue as to what you just said. I must be having a density day indeed.

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Please try and answer the question instead of making false claims about my state of being. I am perfectly calm and you're avoiding the question. Why do they only provide four 25mm bases for five Terminators?

And no, the rules don't say that you can use any base provided for the box. You use the base provided for the model. Just because they all come in the same box does NOT mean that they were provided for all of the models in that box.

LOL...I got too wordy but I couldn't condense it w/o fearing mis-interpretation. Basically I just don't understand where this, "models have to be based on the base it comes with" rule originates. The RB never says that. While it can assumed the RB is stating that, it becomes a RAI issue at best. The thing that's funny to me is that people quote this constantly and have a tenacious attachment to it.

Personally I would not re-base my metal Termies, Chaos or SM, as there are no slotted 40mm bases. It'd be way to much of a hassle imo to remove them from the 25mm slotted base, remove the tab w/o damaging or scratching the painted figure just to base them on a 40mm base. Personally, I like the look of Termies on 40mm but I'm not going to hassle w/ it.

Ghaz please calm down. It just toy soldiers really.

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If it's just 'toy soldiers' then you shouldn't have a problem answering the question then, should you? So instead of avoiding the question, maybe you should answer and stop playing at being an armchair psychologist, because you're doing a terrible job at it.

So once again, why do they only provide four 25mm bases for five models?

And while you're a it, explain why the online store says that they're supplied with 40mm bases and not 25mm bases? Seems to me you should be contacting GW concerning a mispacked box.

Rymafyr wrote:Basically I just don't understand where this, "models have to be based on the base it comes with" rule originates. The RB never says that. While it can assumed the RB is stating that, it becomes a RAI issue at best. The thing that's funny to me is that people quote this constantly and have a tenacious attachment to it.

It originates from page 3 that states:

BASES
Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic
base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before
they can be used in the game.

While you are correct that it doesn't say exactly "models have to be based on the base it comes with" it can naturally be presumed that it is what it means (as you said RaI).

I don't disagree with your assertion at all. I personally find this whole issue distasteful and don't care if someone were to base the models on anything they would like. In fact I encourage people to be as creative as possible with their models. Its their models, so everyone else can "shove off" as it were.

Or if you have any sense of humor at all, its a game where grown men paint dollies and push them around the table to crush their enemies in a very nerdy fashion if you prefer.

But since this is the YMDC area, people frequently feel compelled to argue incessantly over niggling pedantic details which quite often ultimately do not add anything to a consensual understanding of the game nor the subsequent enjoyment of it.

Hellfury, you have put to words my exact feeling on the matter in a fashion that I could never have done.

Ghaz I have answered your question as has others. You csnnot wake a man who is not sleeping.

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No, you and the others have not answered my question. It seems to me that you're the one who needs to heed his own advice and remember it's about toy soldiers, not trolling. I'm through with this thread unless you want to act like an adult and actually join in the discussion.

Ghaz you could use the fresh air.

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Ghaz.. Im afraid to say you do really fail so much.

Im curious, coz GBF does seem like an alrite chappy. Ive taken some time and ive gone back & read this thread.

GBF has answered all your answerable questions. Other questions of yours were just wrong/misunderstood. Im not sure why.

The fact that you continue to bring up the situation when, after reading this thread, you have no ground to stand on makes you guilty of the comments you made about GBF.

As for termie bases.. Have they gotten bigger, the newer models? If not, theres not reason not to keep them on 25mm bases. Until somone like YAK or GW tells me to. Twice.

I think it's a pretty reasonable question. Why did you only get 4 bases for 5 models?

Likewise, Termis really, really don't fit onto the 25mms at all. There's one particular stance where you can barely get both heels on.

Finally, base size can matter quite a bit for units that regularly deep strike on.

I think I'll just stick to the Base rule on page 3 and mount things however I please and ask my opponent if he has a problem with it.

As far as the "4 bases for 5 models" question, your going to have to track down the poor guy that packed the box and threaten him into spilling the secret.

Razerous wrote:GBF has answered all your answerable questions.

No, he hasn't answered all of my 'answerable' questions. Perhaps you want to take a shot and answer why would GW only include four 25mm bases for a unit of five Terminators? And while you're at it, why does the online store say that they're supplied with 40mm bases and not 40mm and 25mm bases?

Zip Napalm wrote:As far as the "4 bases for 5 models" question, your going to have to track down the poor guy that packed the box and threaten him into spilling the secret.

Since all of the Terminator boxes that have 25mm bases only have four of them, I really doubt it's a 'secret' of one poor guy that was packing the boxes that day.

Riiiight. I had being this pedantic but..

Your post ghaz, p1, 16:13:05 .. Your the first one to mention somthing about 4 25mm bases.

GBF previously..

Green Blow Fly wrote:It came with five 40 mm and the five 25 mm attached.

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Umm..

Unless youve had a problem with recieving 4 bases in a box? But the way you worded it seems to imply that GBF should ask a redshirt why he only recieved 4 bases.

But.. he (read quote above) got 5 bases.

Er...

See, how hard was that? Instead of being a troll, all he had to do was point out what I missed previously. Is that too hard to do, or does he prefer trolling instead? Apparently then he's the only one who's received five 25mm bases then, because everyone else has only received a single 'sprue' that has four bases on it. And he's yet to answer my other question as to why the online store says they're supplied with 40mm bases instead of 25mm bases.

I am going to open a box of terminators tomorrow to see how many 25 mm bases is inside. We all know it is at least four. If it is only four you can take another that does not come in the box. If have not modeled any of the new plastic terminators on a 25 mm base... but if I should decide to break out my old DW army I am not going to glue them onto 40 mm bases. If the TO says I can't use that is fine by me. Tactically 40 mm bases are better versus templates and if you take terminators you should also take teleport homers. I always use teleport homers but they are wargear on another model, not mounted on a separate base. You don't see people putting wargear on separate bases and there are no rules to support except for very specific cases such as the Watcher who carries Azrael's lion helm or Fenrisian wolves.

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Razerous thank you for your support brother. I really appreciate it and it means a lot to me.

: )

i have 6 landspeeders that cam on a hex flying base. i don't know how Rogue trader players balanced a metal landspeeder on the equivilant of a 25mm base.

be reasonable, at tournys you need the bigger, at home i'd say no.

just don't buy the new ones and put them on the old bases. think about "what should these be on," not

"can i get away with this?" if so buy yourself an ass hat.

sorry double post.

I don't remember GW providing a hex base with their landspeeders. I guess that is okay for you though.

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This thread is hilarious. People are underlining key points! So it must be really important stuff.

Ahhhhhhh!!!! What have I done??? I have created a war gamer civil war! I thought it was a simple question.....I guessed wrong! Forgive me my fellow gamers for my sin!

Although the majority of my Terminators are 2th Ed I have mounted the 25mm bases on poker chips. they are almost a perfect match for the new terminators bases and add just enough to make the old metal minis about as tall as the new plastic ones.
I no longer feel like a cheddar meister and my termies are somewhat more of a size.

herobegone wrote:Ahhhhhhh!!!! What have I done??? I have created a war gamer civil war! I thought it was a simple question.....I guessed wrong! Forgive me my fellow gamers for my sin!

No. It IS a simple question. It also has a simple answer as well.

Don't fall into the convoluted logic presented in this thread.

Base your models on whatever you like. Don't worry about what your opponent thinks other than asking him if your bases are ok at the beginning of the game.

If he allows your bases, then he is also a reasonable gamer and chances are you will enjoy playing against him with your dollies.

If he tells you that you cannot use certain models because of the base size, then chances are that he is a quite unreasonable twit and you should avoid showing him your dollies at all costs.

See? Pretty simple.

Hellfury wrote:

herobegone wrote:Ahhhhhhh!!!! What have I done??? I have created a war gamer civil war! I thought it was a simple question.....I guessed wrong! Forgive me my fellow gamers for my sin!

No. It IS a simple question. It also has a simple answer as well.

Don't fall into the convoluted logic presented in this thread.

Base your models on whatever you like. Don't worry about what your opponent thinks other than asking him if your bases are ok at the beginning of the game.

If he allows your bases, then he is also a reasonable gamer and chances are you will enjoy playing against him with your dollies.

If he tells you that you cannot use certain models because of the base size, then chances are that he is a quite unreasonable twit and you should avoid showing him your dollies at all costs.

See? Pretty simple.

QFT, awesome! Great advice for sure. Plus you can tell if someone uses their bases for gain and those who use theirs to in rich the game itself. I have seen Chaos players measure to shoot form a defilers legs and also use the legs to measure to CC as well, and then when being shot at, insist that you have to shoot it's 'hull', sad.