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Green Blow Fly wrote:I don't remember GW providing a hex base with their landspeeders. I guess that is okay for you though.

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All the RT era stuff that had flight stand were provided with 25mm clear domed hex flight bases.

I have five eldar jetbikes mounted on those very same stands.

They then made clear 32mm circular slightly domed flight bases in 2nd ed for models that required flight bases.
When larger models were made that required flight stands like grav tanks later came out closer towards the end of 2nd ed, they then made the clear 60mm circular slightly domed flight bases.

One guess as to why the larger bases sizes were made.

No. It wasn't because of any intricate rules considerations, it was for stability of the model. While this isn't a definite fact, but only my own opinion, it seems pretty obvious it was made for stability because anyone who has an older metal landspeeder can tell you that that stupid 25mm hex flight base is silly to mount that model on. It never stays put and always falls over.

I seriously doubt that base size rules now have any intricate rules considerations from GW or they would have defined it as does PPP does with warmachine or hordes.

Yes, base size does change the dynamics a bit, but it usually is a draw. Any advantages in using larger or smaller base size are most often but not always balanced out by the disadvantages of that same consideration.

Hence why GW leaves it up to the consumer to fight it out in threads such as this, because really....it doesn't matter!
I know that this comes as a shocking revelation to many people in this thread arguing over such pedantic details, but it is what it is.

[edit for horribble spellinig nad snytax]

I don't have any problem with what base is used... within reason of course.

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padixon wrote:

QFT, awesome! Great advice for sure. Plus you can tell if someone uses their bases for gain and those who use theirs to in rich the game itself. I have seen Chaos players measure to shoot form a defilers legs and also use the legs to measure to CC as well, and then when being shot at, insist that you have to shoot it's 'hull', sad.

Pathetic but I've seen that too! I've also seen someone who measures from the arms claim that the arms are transparent for movement purposes of other units ("because they go under them").

my orginal eldar jetbikes and vypers came with hex flying stands lol but then again ive been playing on n off since the buutcrack of warhammer dawn

The thing is this forum is here for those who legitimately want to know what the rules say and those who like to argue about 'pendantic details'. Personally I couldn't care less if my opponent has his Terminators on 40mm or 25mm bases. However when asked what the rules say I'm going to call it as I see it, and that is that the current plastic Terminators are supplied only with 40mm bases.

Open up a box Ghaz.

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GW wrote:This box set contains five multi-part plastic Space Marine Terminators, and includes options for a Sergeant and the choice of either a pair of lightning claws or thunder hammer and storm shield for each Terminator. Models supplied with 40mm round bases.

GW says the models are supplied with 40mm bases.

I've purchased them, and they came with 40mm bases.

I'll sell you some 25mm bases if you want?

Green Blow Fly wrote:Open up a box Ghaz.

And again, what's your proof that the bases in the box were provided for the Terminators? None. Just because they come in the box does not mean that they were provided for everything in the box. Just being in the box does not support your claims. For all you know, it was a mispack, especially since all of the 25mm base sprues that I have ever seen only have four bases on them, not five. Where does GW say that the plastic Terminators are supplied with 25mm bases?

As Traskel has pointed out, his box has only come with the 40mm bases that GW says the models are supplied with, so perhaps you should open up a few more boxes yourself.

They are also supplied with 25 mm bases as well.

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Not according to the website and not according to Traskel. So why should we trust you , an admitted troll instead? Answer is that we shouldn't.

A smaller base is always an advantage.

If you are playing a friendly game - I assume it is friendly enough you will say you can't be bothered to rebase them, and both sides will be ok with that

Actually the only advantage of a smaller base is if you deep strike. The larger bases cut down considerably how many can be hit by a template.

Anyone here that has an unopened box go ahead and take a look... You will find that it also has 25 mm bases as well.

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Ghaz wrote:Not according to the website and not according to Traskel. So why should we trust you , an admitted troll instead? Answer is that we shouldn't.

Odd. Over the course of 5 years I acquired 14 boxes of terminators for my army...

Each of the 14 boxes had, without fail:
five 40mm bases, loose
four 25mm bases on the 'old' sprue where the bases formed a square on the sprue tree.

So yes Ghaz, the plastic space marine terminators absolutely do include two base sizes. Just because GW says they come with 40mm bases doesn't mean that they lack being packaged with other sized bases by omission.

I have picture evidence to prove it as well just in case you think I don't own 14 boxes of termies.

Here is 11 of the 14 boxes (sorry, I am not going to run out and take more pics of the last three. 11 boxes will have to do)




But since you want to debate (read: denying the antecedent), let's debate then!

Question:
What size base can a terminator be mounted on?

Premise #1:
Page 3 of the 5th ed 40K rules state this regarding bases, under the heading "BASES"

Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic
base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before
they can be used in the game.

Premise #2:
Plastic Space Marine Terminators are supplied with two different sizes of bases.

Premise #3:
Metal Space Marine terminators in Blisters are supplied with 25mm bases.

Premise #4:
Unlike WHFB (please see link HERE), GW has not clearly defined anywhere what model goes on what sized base in 40K.

Conclusion:
It is thus legal to mount a terminator on either a 25mm or a 40mm base.

Are you able to disprove any of my premises or show that they do not lead to the conclusion I have asserted?

Please respond in kind.

All the loyalist terminators I have except for my terminator captain came with only 25mm bases and no 40mm bases.

I'm a big cheater and mounted most of them on 40mm because they look better and balance better though.

Hellfury wrote:Each of the 14 boxes had, without fail... four 25mm bases on the 'old' sprue where the bases formed a square on the sprue tree.

Which again begs the question why four bases for five models? Because they're supplied for the teleport homer piece in the older boxes, not the Terminators. Just because they all come in the same box does not mean that they were supplied for any and all miniatures in that box. The 40mm bases were supplied for the Terminators while the 25mm base sprue was supplied for the teleport homer piece.

Please respond in the form premises and a conclusion.

It's simple. Just because a base is in a box does not mean that it was supplied for each an every miniature in that box. If you get a Battle Force with a Tactical Squad and three Space Marine Bikes in a single box, does that mean that it's legal to mount the bikes on 25mm bases? No. The 25mm bases were supplied for the Tactical squad while the cavalry or bike bases were supplied for the Space Marine Bikes. If the Tactical squad was not in the box, then the 25mm bases would not be there, and if the Space Marine Bikes weren't there, then the cavalry or bike bases would not be there.

Can people really not accept that the bases that GW claims are supplied on their website are the actual bases supplied?

Older terminators are supplied with 25mm bases, newer ones with 40mm bases.

Ghaz wrote: Just because a base is in a box does not mean that it was supplied for each an every miniature in that box.

Please show me a rule quote stating what model should be mounted on what specific base please.

Ghaz wrote:If you get a Battle Force with a Tactical Squad and three Space Marine Bikes in a single box, does that mean that it's legal to mount the bikes on 25mm bases? No.

That argument is based on assumption. Thus it is false unless you can provide to this thread a rule which supports your argument.

Ghaz wrote:The 25mm bases were supplied for the Tactical squad while the cavalry or bike bases were supplied for the Space Marine Bikes.

Again, assumption.

Ghaz wrote:If the Tactical squad was not in the box, then the 25mm bases would not be there, and if the Space Marine Bikes weren't there, then the cavalry or bike bases would not be there.

More assumption.

Likewise, whats to say that because a box of five models is provided with nine bases, that the modeller cannot mount those models on any mixture of the bases provided?

I see no rules to prevent that.

Sorry Ghaz, but since you wrote:

Ghaz wrote:The thing is this forum is here for those who legitimately want to know what the rules say and those who like to argue about 'pendantic details'.... However when asked what the rules say I'm going to call it as I see it, and that is that the current plastic Terminators are supplied only with 40mm bases.

...For the third time, please respond by presenting your proof in the form of premises and a conclusion. I find I cannot respond again to your posts until you provide proof with sources other than your personal assumption.

In a forum dedicated to what the rules say, anything else besides hereafter is merely trolling.

For the third time, please respond by presenting your proof in the form of premises and a conclusion.

Traskel wrote:Can people really not accept that the bases that GW claims are supplied on their website are the actual bases supplied?

Older terminators are supplied with 25mm bases, newer ones with 40mm bases.

Just because you have omitted the FACT that they are also supplied with bases other than 40mm, doesn't disprove that you can also mount your termies on 25mm bases as well.

Prove that they do not contain 25mm bases or stop trolling the thread.

The fact that the older pewter terminators are still sold in blisters with the slotted 25 mm base does not bode well for the argument that plastic terminators must be mounted on the larger base. A terminator is a terminator if you catch my drift. You could put together a unit of plastic terminators on one base size and metal terminators on another base size.

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And yet again, from page 3 of the Warhammer 40,000 5th edition rulebook:

Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game.

So how does that mean that you can base them on whatever base suits your fancy? The base supplied for that miniature is "it's base", which according to the rule it must be glued to. Likewise, not all of the bases in the box are "supplied" for any model that you want to glue on it. The 40mm bases are supplied for the Terminators and hence the Terminators must be glued to the 40mm bases and not the 25mm bases. The 25mm bases are not "their bases".

I don't think anyone's going to convince anyone else at this point. While it would be fun to watch it spiral down into insults and mudslinging, I'm going to lock the thread.

FYI, you're all wrong.