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I was once on a semi-pro "Starting fights at the local roller skating rink and sneaking out through the back door before the cops showed up" league, does that count? We held the title for three consecutive years until finally the injuries started to pile up, along with the drug use and then they started putting up pictures of us at the front door. Good times.
reds8n wrote:That said i think ti sensible to start putting caps on things like club turnover and wage %s, I gather some of the Premiership clubs are up to something stupid like 76-80% of turnover on wages !
Cap turnover? And you don't think that would lead to the top clubs leaving the premiership? Of course it would, especially with all the talk of a European super league around. + most premiership clubs are actually well in the red.
No, sorry I didn't make myself very clear here. I am in favour of a cap on the maximum % of turnover that can be spent on wages, not a cap on overall turnover.
That way the bigger clubs can ( and will) still pay amazing salaries but it means the smaller clubs might not all implode within the next few years.
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reds8n wrote:That said i think ti sensible to start putting caps on things like club turnover and wage %s, I gather some of the Premiership clubs are up to something stupid like 76-80% of turnover on wages !
Cap turnover? And you don't think that would lead to the top clubs leaving the premiership? Of course it would, especially with all the talk of a European super league around. + most premiership clubs are actually well in the red.
No, sorry I didn't make myself very clear here. I am in favour of a cap on the maximum % of turnover that can be spent on wages, not a cap on overall turnover.
That way the bigger clubs can ( and will) still pay amazing salaries but it means the smaller clubs might not all implode within the next few years.
I don't necessarily agree with that, alot of the bigger clubs are in more debt than the smaller clubs, the Villa for example are not actually in debt but they don't spend stupid amounts of money on big name players.
Take the example of the United - Madrid - Ronaldo saga last summer, it was reported that if United sold Ronaldo to Madrid for the "reported" (i use this term lightly) £100M then that money could have quite easily wiped out all of Man U's debt. This is the issue with alot of these foriegn owners buying clubs, they lump their debt onto the club itself and send it spiralling into more debt, so in theory it could be that some of the larger clubs would start going downhill in this current economic climate than the smaller clubs simply because they don't go out and throw 40 - 50 million in the transfer market in most seasons, its one of the reasons why Arsenal never spend any money in the transfer window and Wenger only brings kids in on the cheap that will mature and be awesome in a few years time (to take an example lets say Carlos Vela, in a few years with some more first team experience he will be an awesome striker, same as Fabregas he's matured really well over the past couple of years even if he is trying to fill a void left by players like Paddy Viera and Flamini).
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As a life-long fan of Oxford United FC (we won the League Cup back in 1986, you know!) who are having an absolutely atrocious season in the Blue Square Premier (Conference National to old-timers) keeping up a fine tradition of sucking ass since Robert Maxwell took his last dive :-(
For the Premier/Champions League (only English games we can get over here), I am rooting for Liverpool to break the drought, because I'd hate for Manchester United's 26 year drought to be exceeded by Liverpool. Plus they have the tiny Oxford United connection from the John Aldridge days.
Aldridge was great-- even looked like Ian Rush II as well. Dean Saunders from Oxford too ? Or am I getting confused with Derby ?
Keane has been sold back then... well, good luck to him. Sour's transfers over the last year or so-- Cuddicini aside perhaps-- now look like the worlds biggest jokes. Odds on Keane getting crocked in the next week or so then ?
I'm amazed given Cech's sudden dip in form that Chelsea let Cuddicini go-- Bridge leaving I can understand, they're not that short in defense, but given the wobbles they are having getting rid of the number 2 keeper is an odd move indeed.
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I am very very very annoyed about the Keane sale, now once again we have to rely on two players for all our goals, still at least Gerrard and Torres are awesome which is a bonus.
Chelsea selling Cudicini was a very odd move, Cech has just not been the same keeper since his head injury i think that is one of the areas that has cost Chelsea alot of goals they need someone like Buffon or Casillas if they want to remain challenging for the title as a few seasons ago Terry, Carvahlo, Cole, (whoever was the right back at the time) and Cech were the most formidable defense in the league (one could argue Liverpool's and United's were on par) now they are just as leaky as Arsenal who have been crap ever since Viera left.
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I have been a Manchester United fan ever since I was just a toddler and my dad would take me to some games. I also love Arsenal... Ian Wright was an excellent footballer. My favorite footballer ever is Eric Cantana - I think he was a lot better than Pele.
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Green Blow Fly wrote:I have been a Manchester United fan ever since I was just a toddler and my dad would take me to some games. I also love Arsenal... Ian Wright was an excellent footballer. My favorite footballer ever is Eric Cantana - I think he was a lot better than Pele.
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Cantona was an excellent footballer however to compare him to Pele is not really fair, Cantona was a great finisher and goalscorer, but Pele had a more complete skills set, he would make goals as well, in a sense to compare Pele to someone of this day and age it would be Kaka or Ronaldinho (of a few years ago not now), out of the French national side of that time i would rate Zidane better than Cantona anyday though but I like Madrid.
also Killkrazy, clearly it was disgusting, however it was just an example of how our tabloid press jump on the bandwagon and criticise footballers for buying outlandish things when they earn the money from being top of their profession, that and a footballing career really isn't a long one, unless your a goalkeeper your time is up by your mid 30's its just never made sense to me, yes they get paid lots but what about the over paid idiots that produce and act in hollywood films (how Micheal Bay and Uwe Boll are allowed to keep making films is beyond all laws of logic and reason, let alone the nature of the universe).
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You can't get upset with athletes getting paid that much money, because that's how much money their sport makes. Would you rather just see the owner keep all of the money? If they want to buy bentleys, let 'em buy bentleys.
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Green Blow Fly wrote:I have been a Manchester United fan ever since I was just a toddler and my dad would take me to some games. I also love Arsenal... Ian Wright was an excellent footballer. My favorite footballer ever is Eric Cantona - I think he was a lot better than Pele.
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Cantona was an excellent footballer however to compare him to Pele is not really fair, Cantona was a great finisher and goalscorer, but Pele had a more complete skills set, he would make goals as well, in a sense to compare Pele to someone of this day and age it would be Kaka or Ronaldinho (of a few years ago not now), out of the French national side of that time i would rate Zidane better than Cantona anyday though but I like Madrid.
It is funny how people feel they must say Pele was better when in fact Eric won more championships and scored more goals. Pele was also a great finisher and goal scorer seeing he was a forward as well. The only two people I would even compare with Cantona is Cruyf (sp?) and the other fellow from Holland who also played for Man.
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I can understand your point, I may even concede it. Cruijff was the "total" footballer as he has been often referred too.
But people that you could compare too Cantona: Cruijff (god that is a mouthful) Bergkamp Maradona van Basten Romario Zico Stoichkov Brian Laudrup Shearer Jürgen Klinsmann Eusébio Kenny Dalglish (the man the Legend)
All of these players are awesome, and with the exception of Dalglish (and possibly Van Basten) have won less championships than Cantona, i was going more on technical ability than medals and goals scored, however if you are going purely on goals scored on whos better, Michel Platini scored more goals in his career than cantona, so did Pele, Romario, Maradona hell Ronald Koeman scored more goals than Cantona and he was a defender!.
Coincidentally thats my Strike line up for my Liverpool team on Pro Evo 09 (add in Torres though).
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Green Blow Fly wrote:It is funny how people feel they must say Pele was better when in fact Eric won more championships and scored more goals. Pele was also a great finisher and goal scorer seeing he was a forward as well. The only two people I would even compare with Cantona is Cruyf (sp?) and the other fellow from Holland who also played for Man.
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Phill Neville won more championships than pelle, means nothing. You only have to look at the likes of shearer who 99MDeery just mentioned to acknowledge you aren't proven by the size your trophy cabinet. Cantona was a good player yes, but think about it: 98 world cup cantona 30 years old didn't make the team, 1970 world cup pele 30 years old...you do the math.
This is true whatwhat, i can understand GBF's point however, obviously being a United fan he does see him as "king eric" tis the same with me really, i see players like Ian Rush and Gerrard as some of the best midfielders/strikers in the world, of course I'm wrong however, you only have to look at players like Zidane and Platini to figure that one out.
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Yeh there is certainly an amount of tinted vision when your a fan of a certain team, red in your case. I remember when I was ten years old I thought the same of tino Asprilla, who not many outside of my area seem to remember anymore. From an outsiders perspective though Gerrard would certainly make it higher up the list of al time midfielders, Ian rush wouldn't make it quite so high up the forward list imo but a good player all the same, neither would make my all time best team.
Cantona was athletic which helped him to dominate games. I saw him do stuff no one else could dream of... like chest trap the ball eight feet up in the air at the top of the box, spin around then kick the ball into the far corner of the net past the outstretched hand of the keeper. Brilliant.
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"Bergkamp scored three times in the 1998 FIFA World Cup, including a memorable winning goal in the final minute of the quarter-final against Argentina. Bergkamp took a leaping first touch to instantly control a long 60-yard aerial pass from Frank de Boer, brought the ball down through Argentine defender Roberto Ayala's legs, and finally finished by firing a volley with the outside of his right foot past the keeper at a tight angle from the right. With three intelligent right-footed touches in a matter of seconds, he was able to turn the game and send his national squad into the semifinal round."
I saw that goal, my mouth didn't leave the floor for an hour
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99MDeery wrote:You a Magpie? Opps sorry I do apologise, I'll see if i can find an awesome Liverpool goal against Sunderland then
btw, what are you going to do now Shey Given's left? Also whens the Duke back?
magpie born and bred from newcastle originally, don;t live far from there now. well shay left because he felt the club wasn't right at the moment, and considering what hes been through since he's been here that must be bad news. But will still have stevie harper who, despite what you se in the vid you posted, is still a very good keeper who could stand well against most others in the premiership.
99MDeery wrote:You a Magpie? Opps sorry I do apologise, I'll see if i can find an awesome Liverpool goal against Sunderland then
btw, what are you going to do now Shey Given's left? Also whens the Duke back?
magpie born and bred from newcastle originally, don;t live far from there now. well shay left because he felt the club wasn't right at the moment, and considering what hes been through since he's been here that must be bad news. But will still have stevie harper who, despite what you se in the vid you posted, is still a very good keeper who could stand well against most others in the premiership.
I completely agree Harper is a good keeper, whats the news on Owen and Viduka though Newcastle really need them back.
Also GBF Tevez is good yes, but you really need an on form Ronaldo again unless you fancy surrendering the title to the Real Red Men!
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99MDeery wrote:I completely agree Harper is a good keeper, whats the news on Owen and Viduka though Newcastle really need them back.
Also GBF Tevez is good yes, but you really need an on form Ronaldo again unless you fancy surrendering the title to the Real Red Men!
last news on owen was he would be out for six weeks but i'd expect longer knowing how these things have gone in the past. not sure about viduka but martins looks like he might be back this weekend which is
also from a neutral perspective liverpool need Ferguson to go off form if you want to win the premiership this season, ronaldo is secondary to that.
Now as much as i dislike Man Utd, hearing a Utd fan say the dislike Ronaldo is like a Liverpool fan saying Steven Gerrard does not win us games based on his performance.
I think i'm in shock, i'm sure Real Madrid however would be happy to hear these comments
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I am not complaining and I never argue with success. I'm just staying there are other footballers who rock my world a lot more. Take for instance Keane... A staple player who never once let the media get to him. He is a role model for me. Really. : )
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