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How is this thread you have closed

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229240.page

any off topic or useless compared to this one? Other then this is your thread [mod] right?

reds8n wrote:

Legally he has to give the day off. I use religion as a way to get my D&D day off every week.

...really ? That's golden !

Yeah but it only really works if you apply for the position that way, I.E. "what days can you work?" "everyday but saturday, I need the day for religious reasons."
Also be sure to add in days you want off every year, such as halloween, or GamesDay if you can be certain it's going to be held on the exact same date every year. It's much easier to claim religous purposes at the beginning of employment, than suddenly after several months (or years!). Even then if you tell your employer 'I've been converted, and I need new days off.", said employer has to give them to you, by US law. However if they're at all reluctant about it, or you had to hang them over the 'lawsuit barrel' to get it, be prepared to be terminated the first time you're late.

Also it could be MUCH easier if you work for a large corporation; Just go to the human resources dept. and talk to them about it. They're there for situations like "I don't want to talk to my supervisor because I have converted to an unorthodox religion and I'm afraid I may endure undue grief if I ask for this directly." That way your schedule change comes down from 'on high', no choice and no undue questions. The threat of losing your job for an arbitrary reason is still there, though; If your religion interferes with the job the campany wants to to do, they'll find a way to get rid of you and hire somebody else with less restrictive shedule needs.

Confederates don't get holidays.

LunaHound wrote:How is this thread you have closed

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229240.page

any off topic or useless compared to this one? Other then this is your thread [mod] right?

Posters were flaming each other heavily. That is not occurring in this thread yet. Whats the problem Luna?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Sorry. My mistake.

Could have sworn it was the Friday. Perhaps thats Islam instead, or just the feotid imaginings of my mind.

The sabbath starts on Friday afternoon -- I don't know the proper time.

Frazzled wrote:

LunaHound wrote:How is this thread you have closed

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/229240.page

any off topic or useless compared to this one? Other then this is your thread [mod] right?

Posters were flaming each other heavily. That is not occurring in this thread yet. Whats the problem Luna?

Dont see how the other thread needed to be closed, seems like valid discussion . But then im just a baka

Kilkrazy wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Sorry. My mistake.

Could have sworn it was the Friday. Perhaps thats Islam instead, or just the feotid imaginings of my mind.

The sabbath starts on Friday afternoon -- I don't know the proper time.

Thanks KK. Thats a bear for conersatives Jews-my understanding they can't operate machinery at that time as it constitutes work. Time to go annoy a comrade with useless questions...

What's a baka?

Lordhat wrote:What's a baka?

baka = stupid , dumb , idiot , fool , silly


baka dayo! atashi

Kilkrazy wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Sorry. My mistake.

Could have sworn it was the Friday. Perhaps thats Islam instead, or just the feotid imaginings of my mind.

The sabbath starts on Friday afternoon -- I don't know the proper time.

Sunset.

A new Jewish (and medieval pre-clock) Day starts from sunset to the following sunset. Symbolic as light follows darkness.

I think a Confederate holiday is more likely to help than to hinder. The Confederacy is old news and a part of US history. A little like the Wars of the Roses. actually honouring the memory of the Confederacy as history within the United States helps. I can imagine that many in the south find that there are minority holidays for example Martin Luther King day. But there is not one for the men of the South.

If the Confederacy was a more active political rather than historical force then it would be dangerous. It is not like the provisional Confedarate army is still or has recently been involved in terrorism. It is no more controversail than the Yorkists and Lancastrians, Royalists and Parlaimentarians are today here.

I think a problem that threads through it though Orly is that the KKK and other racist elements effectively pre-empted the use of the Battleflag, making it synonymous with racism.

Don't get the Baka reference but I think something is being Lost in Translation, so ok.

I can't see how you can justify a holiday which sends up a subject of war, unless it is remembering the loss of life like British armistice day, which this blatantly isn't having gone so far as to pick a side. It's not even celebrating southern identity as it's clearly labeled with a militant branding.

Well this is the US. We celebrate foreign military victories as well (if by celebrate means we use it as an excuse to drink). Bastille Day, Cinqo de Mayo, etc. all are an excuse to party.

funny you mention cinqo de mayo, as we're pretty much the ONLY country that celebrates that one.

whatwhat, if im not mistaken, armistice day is on Nov. 11th??

Well I don't know if it's a british thing then but our outlook on war, particularly the first and second world war, is often as tragedy rather than celebration. Even D-Day celebrations, which we do have, have a very sombre feel to them. I'd say from my travels in europe that the continent is much the same also. probably something to do with it being on our own soil.

And yes Armistice day is on november the 11th where a minutes silence is upheld on the eleventh hour.

See if you understood the awesome power of tequila, chips and a good queso, you too would be all in favor of constant celebrations of Cinco de Mayo. Viva Mexico!

Yeah, i thought that Armistice Day lined up along with what we Yanks call Veterans Day. Of course, we have expanded that holiday from one of being purely WW1 memorial, to honoring living Vets of any war that was fought by the US.

Well yeh Armistice day over here has since and is more and more becoming a day to reflect on the loss of life in all war not just ww1. But in difference to your own it's more encompassing of the loss of life on both sides it seems.

We do not mourn the dead of our enemies here.

whatwhat wrote:

He said they were traiters to the united states, which they were. Just as my ancestors, the border reivers, were traitors to king james the 1st. The term traitor by itself is not a derogatory term. For example Oskar schindler was a traitor to the nazis, I doubt many view that as a derogatory remark.

So it's not unlikely people are going to wonder why you have taken offense to it.

A traitor is someone who reneges on a self-proclaimed affiliation, and is an intrinsically derogatory remark.

Oscar Schindler was not a Nazi, and therefore was not a traitor.

The Confederates were traitors in a strictly legal sense as they openly renounced membership in the United States of America. However, one could also argue that the United States had betrayed the values on which it was founded; making the Union the traitorous party.

At the same time, the notion of a Confederate is nonsensical as there is no Confederation to be a member of. You can't have a holiday in honor of a group that doesn't exist.

offs

The values didn't stand up to the wording of the constitution, the values were wrong, hence the amendments.

I can imagine that many in the south find that there are minority holidays for example Martin Luther King day. But there is not one for the men of the South.

I don't understand this statement, MLK got a day because He was a historic American. Calling it a minority holiday holiday because he was may be a little unfair. MLK was a man born in the south, and washington was born in Virginia. Here's a list of federal holidays,

New Year’s Day
Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Washington’s Birthday
Memorial Day
Independence Day
Labor Day
Columbus Day
Veterans Day
Thanksgiving Day
Christmas Day

Two people from the south, one from overseas, And non for the north or the west.

I always celebrate Elvis's birthday, even though I don't know when it is.

sexiest_hero wrote:The values didn't stand up to the wording of the constitution, the values were wrong, hence the amendments.

I can imagine that many in the south find that there are minority holidays for example Martin Luther King day. But there is not one for the men of the South.

I don't understand this statement, MLK got a day because He was a historic American. Calling it a minority holiday holiday because he was may be a little unfair. MLK was a man born in the south, and washington was born in Virginia. Here's a list of federal holidays,

New Year’s Day
Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Washington’s Birthday
Memorial Day
Independence Day
Labor Day
Columbus Day
Veterans Day
Thanksgiving Day
Christmas Day

Two people from the south, one from overseas, And non for the north or the west.

I've never understood the problem with MLK day, to me it is another day state employees like myself don't work. Fine with me. I know people who feel that "their race" somehow got cheated and needs a holiday ( And these are not only Caucasian people either!), but I can't imagine getting worked up about it.

I just don't care.

To me, MLK was a man who fought for equality of all people, not just a specific group. I realize that he focused on rights for minorities, but to me, if we're not all equal then we're all at the lowest standard.

dogma wrote:At the same time, the notion of a Confederate is nonsensical as there is no Confederation to be a member of. You can't have a holiday in honor of a group that doesn't exist.

Why not?

MLK and Columbus are dead, we still celebrate them.

dietrich wrote:To me, MLK was a man who fought for equality of all people, not just a specific group. I realize that he focused on rights for minorities, but to me, if we're not all equal then we're all at the lowest standard.

Eh, there are all kinds of discrimination, and you can say what you want, but we all know the focus was on Black/white racial tensions, as is everything in this country. Probably most Americans don't realize there are all manner of Caucasian minorities, and they probably don't realize, for instance, Gypsies are the largest cultural minority in Europe. What about poverty, which is really what racial tensions boil down to today, or what about weight discrimination.

I don't feel like he did anything for me, but if it floats people's boat, make him have a holiday. Why him other than Malcom X or, and here is what it should be, those three black kids that got killed in Mississippi, I don't know, that is up to whoever makes these rules.

Nothing to me *shrug*

Orkeosaurus wrote:

dogma wrote:At the same time, the notion of a Confederate is nonsensical as there is no Confederation to be a member of. You can't have a holiday in honor of a group that doesn't exist.

Why not?

MLK and Columbus are dead, we still celebrate them.

Many many people have died. Being dead is not a reason to have a national work holiday.

Frazzled wrote:Respectfully,

They were traitors to the United States of America. Later they were pardoned. However, its an accurate statement. I'm ok with that and I had relatives from both sides in the conflict. I am proud of my Southern heritage but also ok to look at what happened dispassionately.

Please to define how they were traitors. The civil war was not a war of race so I refuse to get into the MLK argument. The civil war was a war about states rights and an economic system that was unfair to one-half of the nation at the time. The Southern states seceeded, then after following all the proper forms and Diplomacy, they excercised their right to declared war upon those they viewed as hostile oppressors.

A traitor betrays His or Hers government(Selling state secrets, revealing troop deployents, ect...). Excersising ones right to stand up against what is percieved as tyranny is not betrayal, it's more like revolution.

Also, there was no set constitutional definition of what would be betrayal at the time. The Constitution itself having built upon the original articles of confederation actually could be seen as implying the right of succession.

Haven't chosen a side on this one yet. Just hate when an issue is clouded by demonizing. I will say that my first impression would be that it wouldn't be any worse than Guy Faulkes day. And thats a day about one who could actually be defined as a traitor. I generally have no problem with promoting the rememberance of history as long as it's factual and not political hot buttoning.

edited for spelling