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Gwar! wrote:Yes, did you read the bit where I said the meaning of the word Arrive is different for each case?

I saw the bit where you said the meaning of the word Arrive is different for each case, but that doesn't mean that it is. The fact is that the beacon is for units arriving via deep strike, the libarian has been proven to arrive by deepstrike. Therefore profit.

Did you read the part where I said that even if it is using the Deep Strike rules, it is not deep striking?

Yes they are deep striking, I know that you enjoy wasting people's time with worthless devils advocate trolling but really... it tells you to place the models using deep strike rules, therefore you're deep striking in every sense of the rule.

Did you read the bit where I said the Codex Trumps the rulebook, so they are "placed", they do not arrive at all?

Only according to your false made up definition of the word arrive. However as shown they 'arrive' at their new destination, which is on the battlefield. So you're wrong.

Also, your Strawman attack regarding my "Check the Dictionary" comment is lulzy to the extreme. What you have done there is selectively quote my response without showing the Question. The Question was "Are Tabletop and Battlefied different things".

And what IS the field of battle exactly if it isn't the tabletop? And standard dictionary definitions aren't appropriate answers here since they don't refer to a wargaming context.

Yes, did you read the bit where I said the meaning of the word Arrive is different for each case?

Yes I read the bit were you try to say that the meaning of arrive is ambiguous, but I was pointing out that you are incorrect.

Arrive
–verb (used without object)
1. to come to a certain point in the course of travel; reach one's destination: He finally arrived in Rome.
2. to come to be near or present in time: The moment to act has arrived.
3. to attain a position of success, power, achievement, fame, or the like: After years of hard work, she has finally arrived in her field.
4. Archaic. to happen: It arrived that the master had already departed.

So instead of flaming how about some research if you are going to argue semantics.

Did you read the part where I said that even if it is using the Deep Strike rules, it is not deep striking?

Whether or not it is called deep strike is irrelevant, under your flawed interpretation I am allowed to Gate into terrain, then proceed to move, and finally since its not called Deep Strike, I am allowed to assault!

Did you read the bit where I said the Codex Trumps the rulebook, so they are "placed", they do not arrive at all?

Yea its right next to the spot were it says to use deep striking rules. Did you happen to notice that the word place also shows up on page 95?

Also, your Strawman attack regarding my "Check the Dictionary" comment is lulzy to the extreme. What you have done there is selectively quote my response without showing the Question. The Question was "Are Tabletop and Battlefied different things".
Next time before trying to attack my character, have a decent attack lined up please.

The check the dictionary remark was designed to show the hypocrisy in your comments. As per the question on Tabletop vs Battlefield it is irrelevant since the evidence is overwhelming. Although I am sure you will still prattle on about it in the next post, so as a preemptive measure I will point out that GW uses Tabletop and Battlefield interchangeably in all of there published work, so therefor in this context they are one and the same.

Wow, more ad hominem attacks.

Just because the way you have read the rules doesn't match what they actually say, that's no excuse to start insulting the people who are actually playing by the rules.

I wash my hands of this thread. If you cannot conduct yourselves in a civil manner, I shall take my leave.

I actually agree about the main subject, it says they use the Deep Strike rules, not that they are treated exactly as if they are Deep Striking. While you use the placement and mishap table and everything to work out where they end up, they aren't actually Deep Striking, so the Locator Beacon doesn't do anything (it doesn't say to use the Deep Strike and SM Wargear rules, just to use the Deep Strike ones, which specifically mention scattering). It's the same reason Bikes don't get a 12" assault move, because it says they move using the Rules from the Movement phase, but it isn't actually the Movement phase, so their special rule giving them 6 extra inches doesn't apply.

In the end though, it's ambiguous and actually not really clear what GW's intent was, so it's probably best to discuss it beforehand with your opponent or TO, to make sure everyone is on the same page.

My argument was just that nitpicking on the difference between "Tabletop" and "Battleground" is pointless, because it opens up a whole can of worms when the two are, in the context of the game, the same.

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Lock and load-

Charlton He'ston is going to deep strike onto your locator beacon and double tap you with his Hellfire Musket. It counts as twin linked and can never be disarmed.

Wow, more ad hominem attacks.

Here we go again.... please know the definitions of the words you are going to use.

Again a dictionary is helpful

ad ho•mi•nem
Pronunciation:
\(ˈ)ad-ˈhä-mə-ˌnem, -nəm\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
New Latin, literally, to the person
Date:
1598
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

Just because the way you have read the rules doesn't match what they actually say, that's no excuse to start insulting the people who are actually playing by the rules.

If you are going to make allegations like that please cite specific examples. You have not once responded to my points, but instead you post things like this just to provoke a response Aka. trolling. Unfortunately you do this all the time, and it usually ends with a mod locking the forum.

I wash my hands of this thread. If you cannot conduct yourselves in a civil manner, I shall take my leave.

So let me get this strait instead of commenting on the points raised, or conceding that you lost the argument, you try to keep face by claiming that we are not being civil and citing that as the reason for not coming up with a counter point? Yea thats mature.

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All of these questions have been addressed in a thread from like a month ago. Its the thread that actually made me join this mind numbing forum haha

The general consensus after pages of well thought out arguments was libbys can gate using benefits of locator beacons because using deep strike rules means you use any and all rules that one would use to deep strike. Silly things like arriving from reserves vs. arriving to the battle vs. reappearing are all at their core NOT RAW arguments but actually fluff. For example the rules to play a game make no difference between flying, hovering, jumping or warping, they are just ways of saying moves 12 inches while ignoring intervening terrain. In this same respect 'arriving via deepstrike' and GoI 'by using deep strike rules' is the same thing.

and the battlefield vs tabletop discussion cracked me up btw

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