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I am old,

When I was a nipper, I was a Goth, I was born in 76 and went to my first Banshees gig when I was 12, listened to Sisters, Mission, Fields of the Nephilim, Alien Sex Fiend and Siouxsie and the Banshees. The people I hung out with were not, as some believe, miserable, there was a dark sense of humour abundant, we went out and drank and did other things and enjoyed it. We drank snakebite and goths, lest you other oldies forget, had the fittest girls of any of the subcultures back then so there were lots of avenues for fun.

As time went by I drifted in the direction of industrial music, NIN, Ministry and so on, but it was still a laugh, albeit a villainous cackle...

EMOs and Neo-goths (whatever the funk that is) today, well I've talked to some of them and it's like they are missing the point, they really are miserable, they really don't understand that when they go to a shop and buy an expensive and labelled black t-shirt with a logo, they phale (or however you spell it). There is no rebellion any more, there is no bright spark in them, they just mope about complaining about how their stupidly rich parents don't understand them. They aren't new goths.

Bela Lagosi's Dead.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I am old,

When I was a nipper, I was a Goth, I was born in 76...

Make your mind up, either you're old or you were born in 76.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:...snakebite and goths,

Is this a local version of snakebite and black? Drink of the Goths!

Did you wear side buckling pixie boots?

reds8n wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Now the x-men looks like it has been drawn and inked by a 12 year old who can't draw or ink.

Rob Liefield is back ?

Ahhhh yes, Rob Liefeld.

With such classics as:
Anatomy...


And his 'miniature feet' stage

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I am old,

When I was a nipper, I was a Goth, I was born in 76 and went to my first Banshees gig when I was 12, listened to Sisters, Mission, Fields of the Nephilim, Alien Sex Fiend and Siouxsie and the Banshees. The people I hung out with were not, as some believe, miserable, there was a dark sense of humour abundant, we went out and drank and did other things and enjoyed it. We drank snakebite and goths, lest you other oldies forget, had the fittest girls of any of the subcultures back then so there were lots of avenues for fun.

As time went by I drifted in the direction of industrial music, NIN, Ministry and so on, but it was still a laugh, albeit a villainous cackle...

EMOs and Neo-goths (whatever the funk that is) today, well I've talked to some of them and it's like they are missing the point, they really are miserable, they really don't understand that when they go to a shop and buy an expensive and labelled black t-shirt with a logo, they phale (or however you spell it). There is no rebellion any more, there is no bright spark in them, they just mope about complaining about how their stupidly rich parents don't understand them. They aren't new goths.

Bela Lagosi's Dead.

Amen!

I am a Goth. I don't do the pasty faced, but the clothes I wear make it clear. The Spooky Kids are lame. Latest fashions, just in black. My friend works in our local stoner shop. Two of us were listening to a bit of Sisters on a random Old School Day. Bunch of emo's and spooky kids come in, and whilst flicking through the posters of Emo bands with incredibly pretentious names, start sniggering and making comments about the music. Eventually one who clearly had no taste turned to my friend and said 'You should turn that off. Might get some more customers'.

Which tirggered a 15 minute musicsal educational rant from yours truly, pointing out the good side of new music, but that you have to respect that which went before.

X-men is still good.
Of course, It's no Jim Lee circa 1990 X-men V.2, but it's still good. There's a good cycle of guys on it.

You know what I hate? [and I'm looking at you here, MDG, although this isn't a a flame]

People who were born in the 80s, who then call themselves children of the 80s. BULL. gak.

Up until you were the age of 10, what were you doing?
Down at the arcades on your own? Out BMXing? Going to see Depeche Mode at Wembley?

My guess is none. You were <10 years old. I was born in the early 80s. Was I a child of the 80s? HELL NO! I was a "child" in the 90s, thus; a child of the 90s.

I liked Turtles, Biker Mice, Street Sharks, DuckTales, Action Force, Power Rangers and gak like that. I didn't catch Transformers until later. I am now a big fan of Transformers, but there you go, get over it.

By my reckoning, you are a child of whatever decade succeeded the one you were born in. You know, when you were a child and did proper child things. My brother was born in 1988, and I did the majority of my living after he was born. Before then you just sort of exist.

I am a Goth. I don't do the pasty faced, but the clothes I wear make it clear. The Spooky Kids are lame. Latest fashions, just in black. My friend works in our local stoner shop. Two of us were listening to a bit of Sisters on a random Old School Day. Bunch of emo's and spooky kids come in, and whilst flicking through the posters of Emo bands with incredibly pretentious names, start sniggering and making comments about the music. Eventually one who clearly had no taste turned to my friend and said 'You should turn that off. Might get some more customers'.

Whats funny is I could subsitute that statement in for everything since Big Band baby.


You hooligans with your "rock and roll" don't have a clue what good music is.

Walkin' to New Orleans...

Oh I have sweeping tastes in music. From The Toy Dolls (in my opinion the greatest Punk band EVER!) to The Humblebums (Scottish Folk, latterly Country Western by Billy Connelly, and Gerry Rafferty. Yup. Those two. Stand Up Comedian Billy Connelly, and Gerry 'Baker Street and Stealers Wheel' Rafferty).

I love folk music. The girl who might become my girlfriend (though probably not. She is into me more than I into her sadly) is in a couple of Folky groups who perform at fairs during the summer. I like that stuff.

And there is nowt wrong with a bit of Big Band Swing or Jazz!

How many of the folks playing with minis now had to make their own terrain, buildings, or even vehicles? Heck, have any of them melted down their minis and recast new ones? Any of them? Point them out to me. That was wargaming in the 80s.

You can take your fancy plastic and resin CAD designed models and stick them. You're not going to paint them anyway, you may as well give them to me. PM me for my mailing address.

Speaking of painting, why do so few of the boys bother to paint their stuff? Its not like you need to do historical research to see what the color of the Young Guard's piping is in order to paint your oh so precious space marines. Don't get me started on painting the same mustache on the same hussar for a unit of 30 guys. Have any of the boys had to do that?

The boys nowadays have it too easy. They use the dark future of the game to hide behind their hormones and poor choice of music and lack of hygiene.

Let me rephrase. You could use that interplay for every new style of music that has come along. Its funny to hear kids say it to younger kids.

I'm 28 you old cheeky old scrote

So now there's an authentic insult-maybe? Translators proving ineffective. So is stick it up your arse an authentic Scottish or English insult (coming from another thread). And the statement still applies about 28-kids saying it to younger kids. Mrs. Frazzled would pinch your cheeks and espouse "you're so cute oh yes you are!"



I'm gonna be a wheel someday.
I'm gonna be somebody.
I'm gonna be a wheel someday then I won't want you.

My Grumpy Old Man Moment:

Somebody was singing the lyrics to the song "Laid" and tried to tell me it wasn't by James.

Frazzled wrote:So now there's an authentic insult-maybe? Translators proving ineffective. So is stick it up your arse an authentic Scottish or English insult (coming from another thread). And the statement still applies about 28-kids saying it to younger kids. Mrs. Frazzled would pinch your cheeks and espouse "you're so cute oh yes you are!"



I'm gonna be a wheel someday.
I'm gonna be somebody.
I'm gonna be a wheel someday then I won't want you.

WE are far more inventive than that! Arse is just far too.....generic!

George Spiggott wrote:
1. Make your mind up, either you're old or you were born in 76.

2. Is this a local version of snakebite and black? Drink of the Goths!

3. Did you wear side buckling pixie boots?

1. I am old, I am no longer young, I am quite happy that I am nearly old enough to be as grouchy as I was born. I can remember Battle of the Planets and Bod on telly, I can remember going to a street party for the Queens jubilee. I was referred to by a twerp with gun barrels in his ears as old school, due to wearing a Pretty Hate Machine t shirt only last weekend.

2. Yus, Bite n Black, interestingly I was once told you can't mix the halves in a pint glass if you are behind the bar, you have to order the two halves and a pint glass with a dash of the black then mix them yourself... This may have been my old barsteward's idea of a larf...

3. Nope, I wore some form of bastardlarge army surplus boots gifted to me by a grimey goff called Xenon who I met in Coventry when I was 17. Before that was tall DMs. I wasn't about the frilly shirts, I was about the Mr Fiend.

I was once told you can't mix the halves in a pint glass if you are behind the bar, you have to order the two halves and a pint glass with a dash of the black then mix them yourself... This may have been my old barsteward's idea of a larf...

Hmm.. unless you were told this in "Henry's" on the High Street, "Chamber's Wine Bar" or " the Cellar bar" in Taunton in the early to mid 90's then you weren't alone in this lie/urban myth.

...ahhh... to be young again.

I'm glad I am not alone in thinking Rob Liefield sucked arse. Fething Todd McFarlane wannabe. Comics in 80s are still better IMO. I hate the fact that I have to buy 5 different titles just to keep up with a storyline.

Someone said, "Interview with a Vampire"? Hell yeah! Better yet, "The Vampire Lestat". Best beginning in a book I ever saw.

I was born in '73, but if the 80's taught me anything, is that it is all about the consumer and what they want. Unfortunately, the majority mindset drives commercialism.

reds8n wrote:

I was once told you can't mix the halves in a pint glass if you are behind the bar, you have to order the two halves and a pint glass with a dash of the black then mix them yourself... This may have been my old barsteward's idea of a larf...

Hmm.. unless you were told this in "Henry's" on the High Street, "Chamber's Wine Bar" or " the Cellar bar" in Taunton in the early to mid 90's then you weren't alone in this lie/urban myth.

...ahhh... to be young again.

I've found it depends on the Pub.

Mind you, after over indulging and dying patches of a formerly cream carpet a vivid pink (not to mention the floorboards) I've been put off!

QFT, a vile concoction really.

Got well and truly OHGODIWANTTODIE on it once or twice. Teach me to go out drinking with the Rugby team at college I guess. I suspect it was the "depth charges" wedroped in them that did the real damage though.

Still...had my revenge.

Ironhide wrote:I'm glad I am not alone in thinking Rob Liefield sucked arse. Fething Todd McFarlane wannabe. Comics in 80s are still better IMO. I hate the fact that I have to buy 5 different titles just to keep up with a storyline.

Someone said, "Interview with a Vampire"? Hell yeah! Better yet, "The Vampire Lestat". Best beginning in a book I ever saw.

I was born in '73, but if the 80's taught me anything, is that it is all about the consumer and what they want. Unfortunately, the majority mindset drives commercialism.

Having to buy more than 4 comics a month to follow the story killed the x-titles for me in the mid 90's.
1 per week wasn't a problem, but it got up to 9 or 10 titles per month and that was just plain greedy. So I stopped collecting them and plodded on with Spawn until issue 100.

I have had two moments recently that made me do a double take. I work with a younger guy, and we were talking about this and that, and I made a reference to Mad Max, the movie. All I got was a blank stare. He hadn't even heard of it. Then I found out he was born the year that Mad Max Beyond Thunderdumb was made. I thought folk that young still had to wear diapers.

I had another run in with a youngster who actually tried to argue that Jimmy Hendrix really wasn't that good, and some new shredder guitarist was the best. I tried to explain to him, that the shredder guitarist was using pedals that emulate what Jimmy did without pedals.

For me, my problem runs with music sampling these days. It's like, "OMG! They sampled that from Britney!" Who in turn sampled it from some older band, and so on. I'll hear a high school kid comment on a song as the best song ever, only to tell him that it is a remake from a 70's band. I love dissillusioning today's youth sometimes.

The OMG thing was just a "for example".

@ Waaagh_Gonads: Yeah, that's when I dropped a lot of titles from my list. Marvel has become to infatuated with selling titles rather than writing good storylines.

Yay, my turn, grumpy old LADY comment:

What happened to Disney? Where are the cartoons?! All you see today is Hannah Montanna this Jonas Brothers that. Disney is selling sex to 13 year olds!

All these kids wearing Ramones and Black Sabath tshirts, and they can't name a single song.

Emo, none of these kids realise it comes from the straigh edge movement, no drugs no booze, I don't want to see really skinny boys in skinny jeans, be happy with your penis or have surgery!

How to make the world implode: Turn Twilight into a twisted version of High School Musical, Use Hannah Montanna as Bella and Zac Effron as Edward. I think the cinema would turn into a black hole. *shudder*

Ironhide wrote:For me, my problem runs with music sampling these days. It's like, "OMG! They sampled that from Britney!" Who in turn sampled it from some older band, and so on. I'll hear a high school kid comment on a song as the best song ever, only to tell him that it is a remake from a 70's band.

I sobbed when I heard the "new" Hilary Duff song. DEPECH MODE, YOU ARE WHORES! WHORES I SAY! HOW COULD YOU LET THEM DO THAT TO PERSONAL JESUS?!

Vylette wrote:What happened to Disney? Where are the cartoons?! All you see today is Hannah Montanna this Jonas Brothers that. Disney is selling sex to 13 year olds!

All these kids wearing Ramones and Black Sabath tshirts, and they can't name a single song.

Amen, sista!

I know I really shouldn't complain about this, since less bloodshed is supposed to be a good thing, but I really wonder when gangsta culture became popular white culture? When last did you hear about a rapper getting shot? (Proof, I think. That was a fluke, had nothing to do with his music)
And who decided 50cent could have his own TV show?! Why is Will Smith ruining classic SciFi novels one by one? Was he touched inappropriately by Philip K. Dick as a child?

And where the hell is Christopher Robin?! Why has he been replaced by a girl?! Can they even legally DO that?

Phloop wrote:

Ironhide wrote:For me, my problem runs with music sampling these days. It's like, "OMG! They sampled that from Britney!" Who in turn sampled it from some older band, and so on. I'll hear a high school kid comment on a song as the best song ever, only to tell him that it is a remake from a 70's band.

I sobbed when I heard the "new" Hilary Duff song. DEPECH MODE, YOU ARE WHORES! WHORES I SAY! HOW COULD YOU LET THEM DO THAT TO PERSONAL JESUS?!

Vylette wrote:What happened to Disney? Where are the cartoons?! All you see today is Hannah Montanna this Jonas Brothers that. Disney is selling sex to 13 year olds!

All these kids wearing Ramones and Black Sabath tshirts, and they can't name a single song.

Amen, sista!

I know I really shouldn't complain about this, since less bloodshed is supposed to be a good thing, but I really wonder when gangsta culture became popular white culture? When last did you hear about a rapper getting shot? (Proof, I think. That was a fluke, had nothing to do with his music)
And who decided 50cent could have his own TV show?! Why is Will Smith ruining classic SciFi novels one by one? Was he touched inappropriately by Philip K. Dick as a child?

And where the hell is Christopher Robin?! Why has he been replaced by a girl?! Can they even legally DO that?

I've heard worse. Sitting in the pub one day, enjoying my pint, I decide to go and put some choice music on the Jukebox. Pound goes in, giving me 5 plays. Shufty at the available titles, and decide on an 80's medley of my own. Bit of Depeche Mode, The Cure, Adam And The Ants, Joy Division and Blondie, if memory serves.

So I retire to my table, light up a ciggie (yeah, not that recent this story) and start nattering whilst the Jukebox plays some of my favourite songs. Lo and behold, Joy Division finally comes on, and my friends and I give 'Love will tear us apart' a damned good listen, and what do we hear from 'Emo' Phil, quite possibly the wettest moron I've ever met in my life....

'God, what (lady garden) put this (excrement) on. I (act of reproductive closeness)ing hate The Smiths. (Excrement) songs, and so bloody depressing'

I very, very nearly put my boot through the back of his head. 5 minutes of ranting at the spoilt little oik, and I feel I have put my point across.

I love the Smiths. I love Joy Division. The differences between the two bands are blatant to hear. And I wouldn't call Love Will Tear Us Apart depressing at all. Though provoking, sure. But not depressing. Same with The Smiths. Take 'There Is a Light That Never Goes Out'. Greatest love song ever written if ask me, encapsulating as it does the strength of feeling involved therein.

Bloody Emo's.

I was born at the tail end of the 60s, making me a 70's kid and 80's teen. I hit High School in 1981. The same year we got FM STEREO on the radio. Before the pay-for-play deal with music videos.

I also used to listen to Adam & the ants, Siouxsie, Depeche mode (but, damn it "just can't get enough" still sucks bollocks) and then drifted across to industrial after finding Neubaten. Also found metal in late high School, the sounds of Queensryche jarring a chord in my soul. They had a 'Seattle sound' long before those bloody grunge kids took over.

Emo? This is like some kind of soulless "goth-lite" gak. Bands with pretentious names (often cribbed from goth and metal band songs.) playing pale imitations of tuneless reworkings.

I played RT when it was new. With terrain we had to make from scratch. Hell, with vehicles made from a variety of sources (yon old deodorant stick grav tank). Still, this was about the time I fell in with some other gamers who were model railway people, so I learned ALL of the tricks.

I've melted down probably hundreds of minis and reused the metal. Hell, more than a few people were doing it back then. GW didn't even have a store presence here yet. They were running Games Days in the UK, but they had yet to break into the tourney scene here (we had 40k tourneys, but these weren't the hard-as lists favoured now (mostly).

We had 'proper' cartoons on TV back then, too.

Yes, I'm an old barsteward. I turned 40 LAST year. The beauty of being an GOM is that the opinions of teens cease to matter.

I never listened to that technopop stuff that came out in the early 80's that made MTV so popular, so now when somebody uses it for a sample or a cover, I'm oblivious. I also don't know a lot of the 'pop' stars nowadays. A recent South Park episode had somebody named Kanye West on it, and the big joke is that he is supposedly so fething famous that he has no sense of humor and doesn't get the gay fish joke. I'd never heard of him before so I assumed he was made up for the episode, but then I saw a story on the internet where he says he saw that episode and decided to try and not be such a douche. I thought that crap went away in the 90's! Obviously he wasn't as famous as he thought he was, or I'm even more of an isolationist than I realized I was. Either way, I really don't care.

Haha i was born mid 80's and dont remember a thing about it.

I know i HATE emo...I was forced FORCED to read catcher in the rhye in school, and i thought it was boring drivel with a hint of abuse and sexual opression *my book report didn't get good marks* i hate everything to do with emo...people say im Goth...fine if you like i'll wear your badge but i'm a chick who likes corsets and big boots, i also like my trainers and trakky bottoms...so when i change my clothes am i a chraver? I hate people who call themselves anything! screw emo and screw skaters and SCREW NU METAL what the hell are you playing at?! and screw anyone who thinks covering a queen song will make them cool...it dosen't you sound crap you sound like you were killing a great song! And screw dance music that covers alice cooper! SCREW YOU!!

back when I was a kid we didn't have little painted men that we pushed around a table top.

All we had was little green army men that we bunched up a blanket to be a battle field, and we pretended to shoot each other with. AND WE LIKED IT!! WE LOVED IT!!

We didn't have Batman Brave and the bold.

All we had was the Super Friends. AND WE LIKED IT! WE LOVED IT!!

We didn't have little colored dice with colored speckled specks of plastic in them.

all we had was polished bone cubes that we made ourselves in grampys workshop. AND WE LIKED IT!! WE LOVED IT!!

Sure our hands would get worn to the bone and become little bloody nubs...but WE LIKED IT!! WE LOVED IT!!

We didn't have safety programs and WE LIKED IT!!


GG

(aka grumpy old man)

I hate change.

I hate hating change.

I hate hating people who hate change.

I hate hating people who hate hating people who hate change.

I hate hating people who hate hating people that hate hating people that hate change.

And I hate the Dutch!

When I was a kid Batman was played by Adam West. I watched shows like Jetsons, Johnny Quest, Ultraman and the Flintstones. You are all still just babies.

G