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A little Birthday treat for Dakka's very own confused, infirm, incontinent old Duffer, Frazzled, he who was once known as JFrazz, for no discernible reason.

This here be a thread for us all to whinge about the younger generation, the world in general, and to view the past with ridiculously heavily Rose tinted glasses. Tinted to the point where you can't see anything due to the colour and tend to blunder into things.

You don't really have to be that old. But you do have to be grumpy. If you are young and optimistic, then sod off. Right now. Out my thread. Out. Out. Out. Out. Out. And once for luck....OUT.

Right, now the idiot yoofs have been shoed away, I shall begin with a little tirade. A tirade against something which gets right up my nose. Something so mind bogglingly banal, if defies description, despite me just having given it a fair crack.

What is this fellow misery merchants?

It's anything sodding Retro.

I am a child of the 1980's. I was born in 1980. I missed the first 5 months. But the rest of it I was there for. That was my decade.

So why do the 'fething' Students (please note, I mark students in one of two cateogories. Plain old Students, who don't really harm anyone, and 'fething' Students, to whom it does not occur that pinching a Traffic Cone to wear as a hat has in fact been done before, and much like someone on a Stag Do dressed in drag, it probably wasn't all that funny the first time around to be perfectly honest) insist on phoney retro nostalgia. They weren't there. They don't know how interminably crap the 80's actually were. Sure, some good stuff came out of it, like He-Man, Transformers, The Young Ones etc, but for the most part the fashion was crap, the music was crap, the food was crap, the culture was crap, the telly was crap, the films were crap. Everything was crap.

And it boils my blood to hear people a good ten years my junior going on about how great Marathon bars were. Well, they still are, it's just some arse decided to rename them Snickers. Why, I don't know. It's the same thing, different name (which actually, in another thing which incenses me. It's not Cif cream, it's Jif. Jif makes sense. Almost short of Jiffy, which in proper English is a short period of time. But Cif? You even have to pronounce it Sif. So why not spell it with an S instead of a C. Tossers). You can tell someone was blatantly not there when the cretinous little bunghole keeps going on about how things were so much better. They weren't. Seriously. You think Britain has problems now? 3,000,000 unemployed under that old Witch. We're in a global financial meltdown, and we're only just scraping 2,000,000. When you then look at that per head of population, you really see how bad things were. Nobody had any money. Except the arsing Yuppies (I'm sure the US had them as well, though you may have used a different word, like Greedy Dickheads to describe them) who made a point of rubbing it in to the unemployed (many of whom were desperate to work and earn a wage) just how rich they got from Thatcher screwing anyone that wasn't in the South East. Note Yuppies only lived in London, or regional offices for London based firms.

BMXing wasn't great either. That managed two things to a kid back then. Injury, and humiliation. Try as we might to do cool trick, the ramps didn't work, the brakes didn't work, you tried to do the spinny thing with the front wheel and that didn't work. Before long, face met tarmac, your tyres burst, the girls pointed and laughed, everyone got fed up, and went inside to watch The A-Team.

Dinner was a fairly basic affair. Very occasional Chinese, Pizza didn't really hit over here (well, not to my knowledge) until the Teenage Mutant Hero (no, thats right. Ninja was a bad word, in Britain, it was swapped for Hero.) Turtles kicked in, and that wasn't until what, 1989? Arse end of the 80's and we finally get something resembling exotic foods into our diet.

So why the false nostalgia for something which was so blatantly crap? Oh! I know! Because you're a 'fething' student and make a habit out of pontificating and talking absolute gak whilst trying to fill in the blanks in your day between your Media Studies course and the Student Union Show Your Bottom contest.

And it's even spreading into Wargaming! IF you were actually there for the beginnings of Fantasy and 40k, then fair enough. But how many little Oiks out there claim to be playing a 'Malal' army, or running Squats using the Imperial Guard book? All they know, they learnt from Wiki. It's just silly nerd snobbery, like Trekkies (yeah. I called you Trekkies) debating which usage of the Reverse Cockthrust Ganglion Wench is canon, and which was just sloppy writing.

GRRRRRR!

Right, feel better now. Your turn!

Dude I just turned 30. Heck ... I am almost 31! Cry me a river.

Also, like. I wanna play some 40k but I always seem to be really busy and tired. Maybe soonish. I have some painting to do.

I'm 50. The sixties have come through three times now.

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." - Marx(groucho?)

I'll add the third as boredom.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
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everyone got fed up, and went inside to watch The A-Team.
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LOL Ya know what we need, a 40K A Team Diorama

I suggest a Rhino Painted in the colors of the A-Team Van A hero with a cigar and so on

Lolz just out of curiosity how many of you are asking "The A What?"........ Perhaps i dont want to know the answer to that lolz

Long live the 80's (born mid 70's yeah but i remember the 80's)

So we just get mad and rant and swear about younger people in this thread?


fething sk8r culture is the most pathetic gak I've ever seen. Persecution complexes and 14 year olds acting like 30 year olds acting like they're 14, I swear.

Also, feth that fething sk8rboy song, that was the worst fething song ever, fething annoying as gak.

Also, feth Twilight! I saw, like, the first 10 minutes of the fething movie and I wanted to find it's author and pull all her fingers off of her hand so she can never write anything again, my god, it was so fething awful I wished I was watching Harry Potter.

Also, all the new Star Wars suck.

That's the spirit!

But a little more bitterness goes a long way! Remember, these spoilt little brats didn't invent skating and have done nowt to reinvent it. Just more mindless copying, and rebelling, and being an individual with it, by doing everything your mates are doing.















But don't forget to go crying to Mumsy when you fall over your board whilst attempting an Olly and smashing your face off the Tarmac.

Of course, back when I were a lad, we were a lot tougher from not being wrapped in cotton wool by over protective parents. I mean, my Mum made me sit a G.C.S.E. exam with what turned out to be Appendicities. Appendix burst during the exam, I shrieked, fell off my stool, wasn't allowed out the exam hall, AND my Mum made me cycle to the Doctors only be to told to go to Hospital. Thats how tough we were in my day!

Hmmm ok

When i was a boy we had real emos.... we called em SWOMPIES and they did not just walk around looking apathetic the walkdone the street tearing rear vision mirros off cars for the hell of it, and star treck TNG what a load of bull Kirk was a mans man he got the ladies and kicked the bad guys in the balls picard is just a PC 90's girly man.....

As for starwars dont get me started ep 1 2 and 3 Bah bunch of crap nothing beats 4 and 5, mind you 6 was a bit of gak experience.... and since when did R2 have jets and why does everyone pretend they did not notice this....

Better ?

You youngins don't know old I used to baby sit a kid that was born in the 80s I was born the day the government started the investigation into Watergate.
The kids that graduate this year weren't even alive when I graduated.
I remember bikes that looked like choppers fat rear tires banana seats sissy bars and ape hanger handle bars.
I remember tv shows like dukes of hazard, chips, emergency, and happy days with the older brother chuck.
Then there were these things called arcades big rooms with lots of video games and pinball machines do you remember battle zone?
* shakes cane at the youngsters *

sonofruss wrote:You youngins don't know old I used to baby sit a kid that was born in the 80s I was born the day the government started the investigation into Watergate.
The kids that graduate this year weren't even alive when I graduated.
I remember bikes that looked like choppers fat rear tires banana seats sissy bars and ape hanger handle bars.
I remember tv shows like dukes of hazard, chips, emergency, and happy days with the older brother chuck.
Then there were these things called arcades big rooms with lots of video games and pinball machines do you remember battle zone?
* shakes cane at the youngsters *

battle zone where you used to stand at the machine and look through the goggle things... LOL what a treat

throws heavily soiled depend in general direction of youngens

i was born mid 80's, so it'll take a moment to channel my inner grump......

Bah, those bloody hot topic generation kids, wearing t-shirts the store tells them are cool, but is of stuff i remember, but they weren't born in time for by a decade or so.

And the overprotectiong and cotton wrapping of children.
Taking tumbles toughens them up, let them play with fireworks, i didn't suffer anything worse then burns, so they should be fine

And the music these days, gah, i've liked to beaten youths for calling things like the beatles "boring old peoples music"

/end channeling of inner grumpy old man

I was born in 1966 and I was heavily indoctrinated in early heavy metal and hard rock. One day, in 1992 I was feeling charitable so I brought my boombox into work. I had Ministry's New World Order CD in and some 16 year old who should have started and ended his miserable life as a stain on a party girl's dress took it out and put in what he proudly referred to as his 'new discovery", the steve miller band! I took that cd out and as they all watched, chopped it into tiny bits with an axe. That was waaay back when I still tried to get along with people. Now, I just walk around talking to myself and glaring, and so people stay away from me. It's for your own fething protection, you worthless blurs.

greenskin lynn wrote:Bah, those bloody hot topic generation kids, wearing t-shirts the store tells them are cool, but is of stuff i remember, but they weren't born in time for by a decade or so.

GOD DAMMIT I HATE HOT TOPIC KIDS SO MUCH OH MY GOD IF I SEE A KID WEARING A HOT TOPIC SHIRT AND READING TWILIGHT I WILL fething BEAT THE IRONIC, POORLY DRAWN, OVERPRICED VAMPIRE SPARKLES OUT OF HIM WITH A CROWBAR

Man, this thread makes me mad.

Back in my day, vampire were fething soulless monsters, not sparkly misunderstood emo fethers!

Born in the sixties got no prob channeling grump.

(Begin rant)
Who does this young whipper snapper Mad Doc Grotsnik think he is? Talking about how horrible things were in the early 80's. He's to young to know anything about it. The souless late 80's yeah but not the early 80's.

Ya see this is the problem. Born in the 80's means that you were a part of that over indulged, life has been so good that I gotta turn goth so I've got something to whine about, emo spawning generation. A generation that was so unimaginative and easily led by corporate trends that they didn't know how to capitalize on the freedom offered by distracted parents being too busy indulging in the decadence of the new world order because they themselves were souless consumers begging for more. They were too sheepole-ish to grab the freedom that was staring them in the face and instead took their daily dose of ridalin and coporate media pablum like the good little zombie clone babies they were. This is a generation with no survival skills, no motivation, no independence, and no perspective or ability to see that life could be much worse. Instead it was one long cry for Mommy and Daddys attention and an ever pervasive moan of life was so hard when I was a kid that I had to wait until the weekend to for mom and dad to go get me the newest model of whatever was .......ect.,ect.,.............(grumble).......(80's were the rise of the French cut and thong bikinis)..............(end of the 80's were ruined by the kids)...........(I'll take Rocky Horror over Priscilla-queen of the desert any day)............(RPG's were story driven as opposed to graphics oriented)............(GW and WarHammer started in the 80's)..............(Colorado Rocky Mountains had snow on them in the summer).........(American fast food wasn't so prevalent in europe in the early 80's)........(Comment about certain Royals refrained from due to respect for our British cousins).............So then Sean Connery adopted the little boy whose parent were destroyed by pure evil thus proving the 80's rocked

(End rant)

How was that Doc

Please to know this wasn't personal.

thanks fire and warp ya made me feel young again..... or maybe it was my lunch time meds either way i'am happy

focusedfire wrote:Born in the sixties got no prob channeling grump.

(Begin rant)
Who does this young whipper snapper Mad Doc Grotsnik think he is? Talking about how horrible things were in the early 80's. He's to young to know anything about it. The souless late 80's yeah but not the early 80's.

That's an interesting point sir, as you were born at the beginning of the 80's MDG, it would of been the mid to late 80's that you were old enough to appreciate them.

I'm a '68 baby and have to say that I have problems with remembering whether the 80's were that bad or good. IMHO I believe that you would need to be about 14 to 15 to really start forming an opinion on a decade. I do remember shows such as Starsky & Hutch, the original Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, The A Team, Airwolf, Manimal (anyone else with that one?) and Miami Vice.

I remember being thrilled by the Falklands War, until our troops started dying, then I cried. My opinions of Mrs T, were not formed until I was older and able to look back on that period. The same with the miners strike. Nuclear war hovered over us and I read survival mags and dreamt about building the perfect underground complex.

Until recently I to was caught up in the belief that Star Wars was some kind of untouchable Sci Fi film... until I watched it again a few months ago. Dear god how wrong was I. I would have to say to my generation, stop and think about this film. You will find that it's the myth & fluff that built up around it that makes Star Wars so great.

However apart from the above, MDG is spot on with his rant

This reminds me of a joke.

Q: How many Vietnam vets does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: You don't know man, cause YOU WEREN'T THERE!

80's kids? Meh, I gak em!

Man I gotta tell you, when I was younger we had real cartoons on saturday morning. All you can see these days are those learning shows for 1-year olds or japanese gak about trading cards and spin tops.

When I was a kid we had real good cartoons. Like those mutated turtles or that guy who dressed up like a bat. And you know what they did in that show. The beat the crap out of each other. Sure, there are shows today where they beat the crap out of each other, but not before they talked about it for 3 episodes before the fight actually starts.


Man, this is fun and I'm only 21 years old

No no no those weren't old cartoons. The best cartoons were not even made for Saturday morning they were made to fit in between movies. The great Warner brothers cartoons bugs bunny, daffy duck, road runner now those were cartoons oh the violence.

Time for this:

I miss the 80’s-the 1880’s!

You youngins with your phones, your internal combustion devices, your contominators, you just don’t understand.

Back in my day we did like we were told and went and got water from the creek, and we were glad we had it!

Science fiction was king. We all read stories about me who could fly, ships that could go under water, and being able to take a tonic and not die from the plague.

I remember Teddy. Now there was a President. None of this Change we can believe in crap. America was A #1. WE didn’t mess with nobody and no one messed with us.

Why on earth do hooligans put metal in their faces now? I’ve spent hundreds of years trying to avoid being punctured. Its just not right.

All these whiny emo kids need to get butts wooped by their Pa’s for been whiny emo kids and not working a proper day’s work. We didn’t have time to be emo.

People whining about their rights, about terrorists. Those weren’t terrorists. Pancho Villa, now there was a terrorist.

Wha Wha I don’t want to take the bus to school. Suck it up kid, my school was Noog with a stick and some dirt.

Wha Wha I’m bored. Get a job you bum!

Wha Wha no one understands me. Get a job you bum!

Wha Wha I don’t have any money. Get off the couch and get a job, you bum!

Wha Wha I have to work after school. Get a job you b, oh wait, never mind. Life sucks doesn’t it?

Wha Wha it rained an inch. Shut UP! Live through some hurricanes and Noah's flood you punks and then come cryin to me.

Wha Wha what about the children. Screw the children, all they do is end up on my lawn anyway.


And remember. Stay the hell off my lawn!!!!

Hey Fraz, you forgot this one

Busses during my freshman year in high school the district I went to killed the buss for three months. I had to walk 6 miles up hill both ways. I lived on a mountain and the school was on a hill had to walk through the valley. kids today ohnose I have to wake up at 7 o'clock I had to wake up at 4am leave at 5 am to get there at 7 am and when I have kids I can prove it hehe.

MDG, the '80s weren't perfect (what decade is?), but they sure looked a helluva lot better than the '70s. Stagflation, gas lines, Watergate, Vietnam, general malaise...the Bee Gees...really wasn't a good decade at all. I was born in 1970, so I more clearly remember stuff toward the end of the decade moreso than the beginning. But those really weren't good times for the U.S., at least. The current decade has a few parallels, I think.

See, I worry about the later parts of Gen Y and Gen Z. Society needs functioning individuals to operate, and some of these kids have been way too coddled. Traditionally, "coddled" would have meant spoiled with stuff, etc. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about so-called "helicopter parents" that are terrified to bump their baby birds out of their nests...to the degree that some have their mothers come along on job interviews after college. Holy %*@&.

The interesting part is that they're mostly children of Gen Xers like me, and Gen X is a fairly independent generation. I think the theory is that many Gen Xers grew up with divorced parents, etc. and as a result grew up personally independent but with a tendency to get grossly overprotective of their own children.

Regardless, my son's not going to grow up like that. And I'm going to have precious little patience in the workplace for younger workers who can't function without Mommy or Daddy holding their hand. Sink or swim, kid.

Mr. Frazzled it would seem the trick is to flood your lawn.

And there are good things abot the new wave of Star Wars stuff too

What the hell is going on with EMO?

Get over it kids!

When I was in high school grunge was the way to go, daggy fashion and unkempt hair but you weren't going around in girls jeans cutting yourself 'just so I can feel'.

Also 'Interview With A Vampire' > 'Twighlight'

And I still have my He-men, G1 Transformers, Robotech models... and they are better than the new stuff out today, which is invariably overpriced (Todd McFarlane toys being a notable exception, but they are more collectables than toys).

Also Comics are lame now compared to when I was collecting x-men in the 90's.

Now the x-men looks like it has been drawn and inked by a 12 year old who can't draw or ink.

And Manga is over rated. Get over it...

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Now the x-men looks like it has been drawn and inked by a 12 year old who can't draw or ink.

Rob Liefield is back ?