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The F22 is not VTOL capable either. The F35 joint strike fighter will eventually have a VTOL version though. Not as elegant as the Harrier in my view, but effective apparently.

This thread is silly.
I declare it silly!

Also, you know what I think would make a great Valkyrie, Luna?

If you can get your hands on one of the Star Wars Clone Wars LAART-I models. That'd work.

I found a papercraft version and thought of you guys. Enjoy:
http://myhobbycraft.blogspot.com/2009/04/jgsdf-ah-greyhound-20.html

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:or the F22

anyway i can only find 1/72 scale versions of this thing. any cahcne you can throw a shop link our way?

1/72 would be to small for 40k wouldn't it?

A I understand it the F22 doesn't use vector thrust nozzles, but rather has dirty great doors in the fuselage leading to a large vertical turbine.

Flinty wrote:

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:or the F22

anyway i can only find 1/72 scale versions of this thing. any cahcne you can throw a shop link our way?

1/72 would be to small for 40k wouldn't it?

A I understand it the F22 doesn't use vector thrust nozzles, but rather has dirty great doors in the fuselage leading to a large vertical turbine.

you're thinking of the F-35 JSF

@DeathGod - Bah, you are correct, sir. too many TWAs

While an interesting model, it doesn't seem to be very Imperial, more Tau in that, but even then not very Tau either. But more importantly, where will the troops go?

I, too, have been thinking about Valk alternatives, and am thinking about helicopters to role as basic Valks while using GW models as Vendettas.

Isn't the Valkyrie a troop transport, able to carry, something like 10 stromtrooper? or a small remote control tank?

This model, while very cool, doesn't look like a transport.

I'm not a fan of the model myself, but wouldn't have any issues with someone else fielding it.

As far as the Valk's ability to VTOL, I think the model does a decent job of pulling it off. 4 thrusters just like the Harrier. I'm more than happy not to reglue rotor breakage.

I think this will make a better Valkyrie stand in... at least when its given some appropriate weapons.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3381/3276695318_80b06c46e4_o.jpg

aka_mythos wrote:I think this will make a better Valkyrie stand in... at least when its given some appropriate weapons.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3381/3276695318_80b06c46e4_o.jpg

Taht looks more TAU then the OPs helicopter

I know what you mean. I'm using a couple as Ad Mech, Vendettas. I'm adding canopies, filling in some of the details, adding rivets.

damn Kanluwen beat me to it about the fans on the sides lol

Man, It's the fecken 41st millennium. Look what we have present day.. do you really think that their technology would be the same in the slightest? Our harriers and f-16s, j-35s, f22s, f14s blah blah blah would be super duper ancient out dated by 30000 years!

I know that they stopped designing new vehicles and what not in the 30th millenium of whatever.. but still that's a lot of years to iron out some kinks!

PLUS IT"S SCI-FI REMEMBER.

Pew pew lasers, you know?

And yet, the GW models of almost every Imperial vehicle are based on real world vehicles of the last century.

It's a helicopter.

Why would you fly a helicopter in the GRIMDARK 41st millennium when you have huge honking Vendetta with turbo-jets and lasers? Or, for transport purposes, why not take a drop-pod? Way more dramatic.

Cheese Elemental wrote:It's a helicopter.

Why would you fly a helicopter in the GRIMDARK 41st millennium when you have huge honking Vendetta with turbo-jets and lasers? Or, for transport purposes, why not take a drop-pod? Way more dramatic.

Why would you arm your troops with pointy sticks when you have plasma weapons?

Flash Lights
Bayonets
LEMAN RUSS ( ww1 tank )

list goes on

1) What else do you use when it's dark in the trenches?
2) Bayonets are good close combat weapons in real life; they're much more effective than trying to clobber someone with your rifle.
3) Leman Russ is based off a World War I tank. Helicopters would just be impractical in 40K when you have Valkyries and Thunderhawks.

As to the plasma weapon thing, it's justified by saying that plasma guns are 1) expensive and complicated to produce, and 2) they're dangerous to the user, so why put your entire regiment in danger of suicide?

Trying another tack, then. The 40k background allows for a huge diversity of vehicle types. while the IG is typically armed with the best, most up to date kit there are still other sources to consider, e.g. PDF formations.

A good example is that I have recently been re-reading Double Eagle by Dan Abnett and that is based around Imperial Navy squadrons in thunderbolts being moved in to replace the local machines that are all prop-driven.

In this kind of backdrop, then, why not have helicopter type vehicles to complement the turbofan equivalents.

Because AFAIK, helicopters have never been mentioned in Imperial fluff (even the ancient stuff), only in da Orky fluff. They have Deffkoptas, which are actually jetbikes.

Fair enough. I prefer to think that in an Imperium of a million worlds, that it is conceivable that one will be one at the right level of development (something more than feral and less than hive) that prefers to issue helicopter type vehicles.

Mmmm... i think its a bit to modern if that makes sense, imperials are a bit less technologically advanced than us.

Lt Scourge wrote:Mmmm... i think its a bit to modern if that makes sense, imperials are a bit less technologically advanced than us.

yah what?

I've been thinking of using a Super Jolly Green Giant. Looks to be about the right size, and had a similar real-life profile.

Lt Scourge wrote:Mmmm... i think its a bit to modern if that makes sense, imperials are a bit less technologically advanced than us.

Because of course we have .75 caliber machine-guns or lasers or terminator armour or spaceships with guns and artifical gravity.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Lt Scourge wrote:Mmmm... i think its a bit to modern if that makes sense, imperials are a bit less technologically advanced than us.

Because of course we have .75 caliber machine-guns or lasers or terminator armour or spaceships with guns and artifical gravity.

Warp travel, space armadas, teleportation, MAGIC, psychic abilities, ... just naming a few more reasons why they are way more ahead of us.

SCI-FI!

oops someone tried to apply logic to a sci-fi game. You know that means you automaticaly lose your argument right?

But it has kind of been justified why there are no helicopters besides Ork ones. The Orks only have them because their planes and spaceships are crude and to them helicopters are much more convenient.

As to the model posted, it would make a great subsitute for a fighta-bomma.

warboss wrote:i voted no simply because there's no place to put 12 embarked guardsmen unless you model extra sleeping bags on top of the wings, lol. it'd make a great forgeworld vulture, though!

Oh yea because a battlewagon can fit 20 Orks, or a stormlord can TOTALLY fit the what.... 30ish guardsmen on it?
I think it could make a decent enough counts as