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**jp400**

Cheese Elemental wrote:I, for one, am quite the sports-shooting fan. I do not, however, support the legality of automatic weapons. Those are military-issue for a reason; they're designed to kill lots of people very quickly. If America didn't legalise automatics, it would be a lot better off. We don't need this 'A man has a right to own a gun' bs. By all means own a gun, but you won't ever need an automatic weapon.

Ok stop right there........ Dont talk about what you dont know.
Its plain as day that you think America is like what you see in Hollywood Movies. Very few crimes in america are commited with a Full auto firearm. Of those only a tiny fraction are commited with a LEGAL Full Auto Firearm. Most are illegal conversions built on either stolen firearms or illegal kits. Banning firearms isnt going to solve this problem, only proper enforcement of current laws will have any real impact on the bad guys. We already have a very large amount of firearm laws in this country.. so many in fact that its hard to enforce them. Adding more laws isnt going to help anyone.

Also America never legalized Automatics. They were in this country as soon as they were invented. Hell you used to be able to go to the drug store and buy a Thompson SMG with a drum mag for under $50. Our country only stopped the import of them for private use in the hopes that some day they would phase out.

I own more then 30+ firearms at this very moment, but that number changes from month to month. I am currently working my way through the red tape to hopefully one day become a Class 2 manufacturer and Class 3 Dealer. Yes that means I want to legally buy, sell, and build full auto firearms and destructive devices for other people who can legally own/use such things in both commercial and private sales.

What really gets me is how all you people without american flags next to your name seem to think that America is exactly like what some bad Hollywood movies depict. I hate to break your little cush bubble, but we cant buy Assault Rifles off the shelf at any gun show table or store. We are not all running around with a Six shooter on our hip forming lynch mobs and possies, and We are not driveing around shooting Chicago Typewriters out our car windows screaming "Cant Catch me Coppers See!"

Its sad that your government is so overcontrolling that you cant go outside and enjoy a fine sunny sunday afternoon shooting with some friends at pop cans or rodents with firearms. Its not our fault that at some point in time you all bent over backwards and didnt put up a fight while they took some of your freedoms away. So why dont you drop the whole "America is the wild west" attitude and accept the fact that this is our way of life and a majority of us enjoy it this way.

Judgeing by some of the tones of posters in here Im not the only American thats sick and tired of your oversees views of us. Sorry our country is so fethed up... I guess next time we wont bail you all out when some new dictator comes around and tries to enslave your countries. Or better yet, I guess we can stop sending you all trillions of dollers in Free Aid every year to bail you out from some disaster or another. Next time Call Russia or France.

**spartanghost**

I know one person that i play with owns a few firearms, but the general consensus in the great white north is that they're not really needed by the average joe. You can get them, and i greatly enjoy range shooting, but I don't have one simply for the lack of necessity. Why would I need to carry a loaded gun in public? All it does is intimidate people, which isn't something i want to do.

**dogma**

jp400 wrote:
Its sad that your government is so overcontrolling that you cant go outside and enjoy a fine sunny sunday afternoon shooting with some friends at pop cans or rodents with firearms. Its not our fault that at some point in time you all bent over backwards and didnt put up a fight while they took some of your freedoms away. So why dont you drop the whole "America is the wild west" attitude and accept the fact that this is our way of life and a majority of us enjoy it this way.

I doubt anyone here is unwilling to accept the present state of American culture. They might not like it, but that's an issue which is separate from acceptance.

jp400 wrote:
Judgeing by some of the tones of posters in here Im not the only American thats sick and tired of your oversees views of us. Sorry our country is so fethed up... I guess next time we wont bail you all out when some new dictator comes around and tries to enslave your countries. Or better yet, I guess we can stop sending you all trillions of dollers in Free Aid every year to bail you out from some disaster or another. Next time Call Russia or France.

The US doesn't send aid to any of the nations represented on Dakka.

**Todosi**

Cheese Elemental wrote:I, for one, am quite the sports-shooting fan. I do not, however, support the legality of automatic weapons. Those are military-issue for a reason; they're designed to kill lots of people very quickly. If America didn't legalise automatics, it would be a lot better off. We don't need this 'A man has a right to own a gun' bs. By all means own a gun, but you won't ever need an automatic weapon.

I'm glad you enjoy your shooting sports. Just for your information, fully automatic weapons have been heavily restricted in the U.S. since the National Firearms Act of 1935. So do all us "Yanks" a favor and don't spout off about what you know little about.

Also FYI, "Assault Weapons" are not necessarily fully automatic. In my own state, "The people's Republic of Kalifornia" the "banned Assault Weapons" is an arbitrary list of weapons that the State deems too dangerous.

And as for your last comment...keep it to yourself. I don't enforce my will on what kind of car you drive, or house you buy or stocks you invest in. So please don't tell others what personal property they should or should not buy.

Can ya tell I'm an armorer by trade?

Back on the original topic, In my gaming group, there are three of about 8 people that own and actively shoot. Three of us (the armorers) are probably safe to call gun nuts.

With respect to all,

Todosi

**Grunt13**

Does owning a gun make you a gun nut? I have a dog, am a dog nut as well?

I have a fire extinguisher, several first aid kits, a car emergency kit in my truck, and a 9mm pistol. I also have coyotes living nearby.

I almost never wear my gun unless I am going to the shooting range. But if I am ever injured by an armed attacker in a designated no firearm area like a college for example, I will be part of the inevitable class action suit.

Guns in the hands of responsible, moral citizens makes for a safer environment. My brother lives in Arizona, which is a big firearm state. A lot of people have guns and it is one of the safest states in America in terms of violet crime or invasion of property.

**Cheese Elemental**

I didn't say firearms are banned in Oz, just automatics and pump shotguns. We can still own .35 cal magnums and bolt-action rifles at least, so we'll be fine in the zombie apocalypse.

**Grunt13**

Cheese Elemental wrote:I didn't say firearms are banned in Oz, just automatics and pump shotguns. We can still own .35 cal magnums and bolt-action rifles at least, so we'll be fine in the zombie apocalypse.

Make sure to arm yourself with a close combat weapon as well, they don't run out of ammo.

**Cheese Elemental**

Surprisingly, Oz has no restrictions on deadly melee weapons. I own a shortsword, buckler, a katana, a medieval knight's helm, metal gauntlets and a mace, so if any hooligans step onto my lawn, I'll smash their fething balls.

**anticitizen013**

I'm in the military and thus am trained on many different weapon systems, however I do not own any myself. Yet. I love shooting so I am most likely going to invest in a license and a firearm of some type in the future. As far as my gaming group goes... one of them was in the military at some point, and another is just joining now.

**Grunt13**

Cheese Elemental wrote:Surprisingly, Oz has no restrictions on deadly melee weapons. I own a shortsword, buckler, a katana, a medieval knight's helm, metal gauntlets and a mace, so if any hooligans step onto my lawn, I'll smash their fething balls.

I wished CT was like that. It's illegal to own a lot of melee weapons here, I know that throwing knives are outlawed here - there was once a time where I thought it would be a cool trick to learn. I remember reading that at one time in California's history possession of an unregister firearm was a misdemeanor while owning a blow gun was a felony.

**jp400**

The Republic Of Kalifornia has some strange laws indeed. I feel sorry for anyone who loves such things and lives within its republic lines....

**spartanghost**

Cheese Elemental wrote:Surprisingly, Oz has no restrictions on deadly melee weapons. I own a shortsword, buckler, a katana, a medieval knight's helm, metal gauntlets and a mace, so if any hooligans step onto my lawn, I'll smash their fething balls.

No chainsword?

**Cheese Elemental**

Oh, an chehnsworrrd? Aren't we snooty? Well, let's see how your high-tech mumbo-jumo fares when I'm beating you to death with your own spine.

For the record, I forgot I own a pair of hookswords as well. Cost me a fortune.

**spartanghost**

edit: Removing somehow delayed double post.

**jp400**

Cheese Elemental wrote: Well, let's see how your high-tech mumbo-jumo fares when I'm beating you to death with your own spine.

**Cheese Elemental**

You wanna try firing that thing?

There's poison on the grip! You're already dead! HAHAHAHAHAHA! How are you gonna shoot me now?

**jp400**

That thing is a Rem 870 12 guage shotgun. It hardly has any kick, espically with a quality Knox Stock.

How am I going to shoot you if your going for my spine?

The traditional way... one round at a time.

**VermGho5t**

I own 3 shotguns, and a semi automatic 7.62 SKS. I do volunteer at least once a month on a sunday pulling clay targets at my local trap and skeet club for the regulars and other folks that come by. There is a sherrif's deputy who is a regular in my gaming group. I'm sure at one or two others shoot too.

I'm happy to perpetuate the myth that America is still the Wild West in regards to firearms. It'll keep all of you scared foreigners off our soil!

**jp400**

You know VermGho5t, thats a good point...

Forget everything ive said in this post!

Everyone here is running around with a full auto M-4 Carbine and .50 cals mounted to pickup trucks. The government issues us all Uzi's or Mac 10's on our 18th B-day and Mexico reallly is getting Military assault rifles and grenades from our gun shops and flea markets!

Stay off our Lawn!

WOLVERINES!

**youbedead**

Grunt13 wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:Surprisingly, Oz has no restrictions on deadly melee weapons. I own a shortsword, buckler, a katana, a medieval knight's helm, metal gauntlets and a mace, so if any hooligans step onto my lawn, I'll smash their fething balls.

I wished CT was like that. It's illegal to own a lot of melee weapons here, I know that throwing knives are outlawed here - there was once a time where I thought it would be a cool trick to learn. I remember reading that at one time in California's history possession of an unregister firearm was a misdemeanor while owning a blow gun was a felony.

Hey just use the russian technique, no special knives needed, and a hell of alot effective in combat.

**RandomX**

I am a career military man (Cav Scout), and I have shot a LOT during the last 10 years. Professionally, that is. Personally, I have not shot once, outside a range. Which is how it should be. But if I hear shooting, or someone attacks me, well I got something for 'em.

I am a CC licence holder and a resident of the state of Texas, though I was born and raised in Arizona. I own weapons, and carry.

The 2nd Amendment is the single most important amendment that we have, in that it allows us to protect everything else given to us in that document, and to protect ourselves from tyrannical government.

And as others have mentioned, an armed society is a polite society.

And lastly, saying that guns kill people is like saying the spoon makes you fat. It all depends on the persons will to cause violence. If a person is deadset of causing harm to someone else, they will use whatever gets the job done easiest. Unfortunatly, that is firearms.

And for all of m passion for firearms....all of my armies are CC based.

**Gandair**

No guns, but all of us have a history in melee weapons combat. Most of us still have our weapons, but I seem to be the only one who regularly goes to the combat practices anymore.

**Ian Sturrock**

It's not guns that kill people, it's manoeuvres, as Izzard pointed out.

Personally I'm happy to live in the UK, and (given the low level of murders & firearms crimes in the UK), to not own a gun.

I agree that guns are inherently cool, and that when owned by responsible people, they're fine. I would feel quite responsible enough to own anything up to thermonuclear weaponry; in fact, I trust myself to wield power far more than I trust any governments.

**Osbad**

In my view its not the owning of a firearm that makes you a nut. It is the relishing the prospect of using it on a human being. That latter is the nutty part. I'm sorry if I cause anyone on this board offence, but frankly in my book desiring such a thing is certifiable-level insanity!

**Mango**

1. A firearm is a tool, nothing more.
2. A firearm is a mechanical device.
3. It uses a chemical propellant to push a lump of metal at high speed with some degree of accuracy.

That is what they are designed to do. The people are the problem, not the tools. I own 3 firearms. 1 Shotgun and two pistols. I am 36, I have owned a firearm since I was 12. Outside of the military, I have never fired a gun in anger. Any tool can be misused. Knives can kill a person. Yet just about everyone uses a knife. Most of us daily.

The right to own a firearm is constitutionally protected. Apparently the founding father's thought it was important enough to actually put it in the constitution. They put it in for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest, was that they knew the biggest check on an over reaching government was an armed populace.

On a side note, yes every country represented on dakka receives US aid. One of the reasons that European countries do not have to spend as much money on their militaries, is that the US subsidizes the cost by carrying the burden. It's called NATO. Since they don't spend money on the military, they can spend it on social programs.

**Tek**

djones520 wrote:And why am I not suprised that none of the British posters in here own firearms. Don't you guys have to sell your 1st child to get a permit or something?

Sincity wrote:
I understood it to be they have to sponsor two spy-cams (which are never aimed at terrorists) , have the firearm broken down into two or more parts , kept in separate locked boxes in separate bank vault. The keys must be kept in a third bank vault that only the comun.. err government has permission to open. They then must pay a 15% VAT for the good buggering their masters are giving them. Bullets however are out of the question.

I had to look it up, so here's what Wiki has to say:

Wikipedia wrote:All firearms in the United Kingdom must be licensed on either a firearm certificate (FAC) or a shotgun certificate.

Shotguns are defined in UK law as smoothbore firearms with barrels not shorter than 24" and a bore not larger than 2" in diameter, no revolving cylinder, and either no magazine or a non-detachable magazine that is not capable of holding more than two cartridges.[4] This effectively gives a maximum three round overall capacity, while shotguns with a capacity exceeding 2+1 rounds are subject to a firearm certificate. Shotguns thus defined are subject to a slightly less rigorous certification process.

A firearm certificate differs from a shotgun certificate in that justification must be provided to the police for each firearm; these firearms are individually listed on the certificate by type, calibre, and serial number. A shotgun certificate similarly lists type, calibre and serial number, but permits ownership of as many shotguns as can be safely accommodated. To gain permission for a new firearm, a "variation" must be sought, for which a fee is payable, unless the variation is made at the time of renewal, or unless it constitutes a one-for-one replacement of an existing firearm which is to be disposed of. The certificate also sets out, by calibre, the maximum quantities of ammunition which may be bought/possessed at any one time, and is used to record the purchasing of ammunition (except, optionally, where ammunition is both bought, and used immediately, on a range).

To obtain a firearm certificate, the police must be convinced that a person has "good reason" to own each gun, and that they can be trusted with it "without danger to the public safety or to the peace". Under Home Office guidelines, gun licenses are only issued if a person has legitimate sporting or work-related reasons for owning a gun. Since 1946, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own a gun. The current licensing procedure involves: positive verification of identity, two referees of verifiably good character who have known the applicant for at least two years (and who may themselves be interviewed and/or investigated as part of the certification), approval of the application by the applicant's own family doctor, an inspection of the premises and cabinet where guns will be kept and a face-to-face interview by a Firearms Enquiry Officer (FEO) also known as a Firearms Liaison Officer (FLO). A thorough background check of the applicant is then made by Special Branch on behalf of the firearms licensing department. Only when all these stages have been satisfactorily completed will a license be issued.

Any person who has spent more than three years in prison is automatically banned for life from obtaining a gun licence.[5] Similarly, persons applying for licences with recent, serious mental health issues will also be refused a certificate.

Any person holding a gun licence must comply with strict conditions regarding such things as safe storage. These storage arrangements are checked by the police before a license is first granted, and on every renewal of the licence. A local police force may impose additional conditions on ownership, over and above those set out by law. Failure to comply with any of these conditions can mean forfeiture of the gun licence and surrender of any firearms to the police.

The penalty for possession of a prohibited firearm without a certificate is currently a mandatory minimum five year prison sentence and an uncapped fine.[6]

In addition, the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 increased restrictions on the use, ownership, sale and manufacture of both airguns and imitation firearms.[7]

jp400 wrote:That thing is a Rem 870 12 guage shotgun. It hardly has any kick, espically with a quality Knox Stock. How am I going to shoot you if your going for my spine? The traditional way... one round at a time.

Are you aiming a gun at a cameraman? Isn't that a little unsafe?

I think I've spoken about the cultural differences between our two nations before, and of course the notion of 'legal' firearms is alien to us Brits, and I doubt we'll ever be able to agree on it tbh.
Personally I'm pretty scared of guns. I'm certain if I had one I'd be too tempted to fire it. All the fething time. Again, this is a social / cultural difference as were I born in Arizona for example, I would most likely view a gun in a similar manner to a can opener, or a gintrap.

I think attacking one another with insults on one another's nations is pretty fething childish however; "We like it the way it is". That's what both parties are saying. You know what? Good.
Gun owners would hate living in the UK. So it's a good job they don't.
People who don't own guns would hate living in a country rife with firearms. By and large; they don't.

**JD21290**

Im not much of a gunnut

Real gun: SA80 (gakky military issue :()

Airsoft: G3, M14, MP5-K, MP5-PDW, M4 carbine (list goes on, needless to say i love my airsoft guns

)

Air rifles: about 9 or 10 old BSA rifles

**Frazzled**

Cheese Elemental wrote:I, for one, am quite the sports-shooting fan. I do not, however, support the legality of automatic weapons. Those are military-issue for a reason; they're designed to kill lots of people very quickly. If America didn't legalise automatics, it would be a lot better off. We don't need this 'A man has a right to own a gun' bs. By all means own a gun, but you won't ever need an automatic weapon.

Don't have a clue do you? Automatic weapons-aka MACHINE GUNS-require a special license. Very few people have it.
It helps to have some knowledge of the actual topic before you type.

**Grot 6**

youbedead wrote:I find it very odd that 90% of my gaming group have concealed carry permits, and every single one of them
is apparently a damn expert on every type of firearm out there.

So is this just a oddity or is every person who plays 40K a gun nut.

My group are as well, but I hardly find it nutty.

They are all police and military.

**Grot 6**

Cheese Elemental wrote:I, for one, am quite the sports-shooting fan. I do not, however, support the legality of automatic weapons. Those are military-issue for a reason; they're designed to kill lots of people very quickly. If America didn't legalise automatics, it would be a lot better off. We don't need this 'A man has a right to own a gun' bs. By all means own a gun, but you won't ever need an automatic weapon.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think you have all of your information.

- Automatic weapons are not generally available. People have to have specail permits, pay the appropriate fees, and register thier purchases with alot of different departments. It isn't something that just any Joe Shmoe can do. It's difficult and costly.

- In America, being able to own weapons is one of the freedoms that people have. It goes along with having the right to work where you want to, or own property by just buying or paying for it. Some people can get excited when you start talking about what people are supposed to do, or Rights, or Freedoms. If someone really wants to have a conversation of that nature, I really don't think a gaming forum is the place for it.