VP "I'm smarter than you" Biden does it again

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**reds8n**

Should I make this clear then? I believe Global Warming speeding up due to human presence is a lie

and this is relevant in this thread because...? Oh, it's not, it's just another disgruntled rightwing complaint.

You know as well as I do that they messed up and crashed in Pennsylvania.

Oh two planes were going to destroy the capital ! That changes everything!

**reds8n**

You think Bush was bad?

Inept more than "bad".

I'm sure he's perfectly pleasent in person/ to have a non alcoholic beer with. Bet he's got some good stories from back in his youth.... assuming he can remember that far back anyway.

**mcfly**

reds8n wrote:
Should I make this clear then? I believe Global Warming speeding up due to human presence is a lie

and this is relevant in this thread because...? Oh, it's not, it's just another disgruntled rightwing complaint.

I'm just saying why I don't like Gore. How is that wrong?

You know as well as I do that they messed up and crashed in Pennsylvania.

Oh two planes were going to destroy the capital ! That changes everything!

Stop acting childish.

**Frazzled**

reddy you're confusing capital with capital building. A big plane could take out the White House. That looks like a bunker they throw you in if worried about that, or they don't have time to take you to DER UBEN LAIR.

I could see them sticking Cheney there during speeches and such if concerned about a conventional attack or literally no time (probably his first spot during the first few minutes of the attack then they moved him somewhere else quickly).

**sexiest_hero**

Speaker of the house if I wasn't to high in my collage course back in 2001....

Biden is a smart man, he's been around forever. Just like any old gezzer though he says the first thing that comes to his head. Now adays every inflection of ever word is analysed and saying what you actually feel will get you roasted.

Plus after Cheney (I belive Bush Jr was his victim) A clown like Biden is a nice change. The guy can in no way run a shadow goverment like Cheney. I truly think He busts in on Proffesor Obama's meetings with "BIDEN"S IN THE HIZZZOUSE!" Like any good TV nerd he is good at his job and baad when he opens his trap.

Serious mode. IF something was to get deep enough to where he needed his bunker, he's fethed anyways. I do feel like he was stuck in the cold war era.

**sexiest_hero**

Oh and you can't kill Cheney he is already one of the undead...

**mcfly**

sexiest_hero wrote:Oh and you can't kill Cheney he is already one of the undead...

Him and McCain and all the other old bald guys in Washington...

**Frazzled**

Well its a Cold War policy so you're right.

You'll note, they still rarely have Biden and Obama together. If that change's you'll know where Biden rates (eh he sucks). At this point I could see them whisking off the Senatorial Janitor to a secret location. After all we need quality leadership up to the challenge,vs. er Washington...

**barlio**

mcfly wrote:
sexiest_hero wrote:Oh and you can't kill Cheney he is already one of the undead...

Him and McCain and all the other old bald guys in Washington...

Don't forget Ted Kennedy. Liche Overlord anybody?

**Frazzled**

more like Jabba the Hut.

**barlio**

I'm waiting for the day when Pelosi will be "relieved" of her position. She's going to pull the skin of her face and reveal...

I don't know, this maybe borders on the edge of Cthulu mythology.

**reds8n**

Frazzled wrote:reddy you're confusing capital with capital building. A big plane could take out the White House. That looks like a bunker they throw you in if worried about that, or they don't have time to take you to DER UBEN LAIR.

No confusion on my end, just going off what he actually typed.

Before he started posting pictures of asses and calling others childish.... go figure....

And this again would be the Whitehouse that the president wasn't in on the day in question yes ?

But anyway, it does make sense for there to be multiple boltholes for VIPs to retreat too.

**barlio**

reds8n wrote:And this again would be the Whitehouse that the president wasn't in on the day in question yes ?

But anyway, it does make sense for there to be multiple boltholes for VIPs to retreat too.

Not picking a fight reds8n, but are you implying that the Prez should have been at the WH, or that he wan't there and the terrorists were just misinformed so there target choice was poor.

I agree that the VIPs need different retreat routes. Biden's not giving up all the fox-holes, he just narrowed one of them down a little bit.

**reds8n**

I'm not quite sure as to what you're saying there ?

No, I don't think that the President should always, or even on the day in question, be in the Whitehouse. I believe he's quite busy.

As to whether it was a poor target ? Well, it would have been bad had it been hit as any increase in the death toll and destruction would have been a bad thing IMO, so I'm glad it didn't happen.

..but I don't think it would have been quite the doomsday scenario others have been hinting at in the thread.

**barlio**

@reds8n: Ok nevermind, after thinking about it I realized I just misunderstood you. Sorry for the already continuing de-rail.

**mcfly**

reds8n wrote:
Frazzled wrote:reddy you're confusing capital with capital building. A big plane could take out the White House. That looks like a bunker they throw you in if worried about that, or they don't have time to take you to DER UBEN LAIR.

No confusion on my end, just going off what he actually typed.

And that's not childish?

Before he started posting pictures of asses and calling others childish.... go figure....

Free speech on the internet. And if you know what I meant and still acted stupid, yes, I call that childish.

EDIT:
I agree it wouldn't be doomsday, so nevermind that last point.

**Mattlov**

Even if the President wasn't in the White House when it got hit almost wouldn't matter to the terrorists.

It is just as much about the SYMBOLISM of the target as the value.

**Frazzled**

White House in flames likely equals we have to nuke somebody.

Remember that redcoats! We have the Bomb AND lawyers now!

We fired one time and British kept acomin, though not as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and the British began a runnin, down the Mississippii to the Gulf of Mexico...

**reds8n**

You'd only hit the Chinese embassy. Again.

**Frazzled**

Yea but boy we'd hit it good this time. Teach them to help the (insert country here).

**JohnHwangDD**

Frazzled wrote:
How VP's would have handled

***Nixon's VP... Agnew...

Would have phoned in order to take out the President...

Hence, "the Agnew man" on the Secret Service, whose job it would have been to shoot Agnew if Nixon ever became incapacitated...

**Frazzled**

Its funny because its true...

**ShumaGorath**

Should I make this clear then? I believe Global Warming speeding up due to human presence is a lie, and he is a

Ahh, well that explains all of the other posts. You have no grasp of sociopolitics or science.

Got it!

**dietrich**

Here's a Civics lesson for everyone (from http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa010298.htm )
Between the years 1841 to 1975, more than one-third of all U.S. presidents have either died in office, quit, or become disabled. Seven vice presidents have died in office and two have resigned resulting in a total of 37 years during which the office of vice president was completely vacant.

And the order of succession is:

1. Vice President of the United States
2. Speaker of the House
3. President pro Tempore of the Senate

Secretaries of the president's Cabinet now fill out the balance of list of succession:

4. Secretary of State
5. Secretary of the Treasury
6. Secretary of Defense
7. Attorney General
8. Secretary of the Interior
9. Secretary of Agriculture
10. Secretary of Commerce
11. Secretary of Labor
12. Secretary of Health & Human Services
13. Secretary of Housing & Urban Development
14. Secretary of Transportation
15. Secretary of Energy
16. Secretary of Education
17. Secretary of Veterans' Affairs
18. Secretary of Homeland Security

Everyone on that list is never to be 'all together' in one location. So, during the State of the Union address, one of the cabinet members is not present.

If you've ever read Frank Miller's one comic (that was set in the near grimdark future witha black female named Martha Washington in the lead, and I think it was called, "Martha Washington Goes to War", but I may be incorrect), the Secretary of Agriculture is ill and stays away from the State of the Union, and someone assassinates everyone but him.

Also, due to the succession rules, I've heard that Biden won't accept any food or drink from Hillary Clinton, but it's unconfirmed.

**JohnHwangDD**

dietrich wrote:Here's a Civics lesson for everyone (from http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa010298.htm )
And the order of succession is:
1. Vice President of the United States
2. Speaker of the House
3. President pro Tempore of the Senate

Also, due to the succession rules, I've heard that Biden won't accept any food or drink from Hillary Clinton, but it's unconfirmed.

I hear that Biden's got a "Clinton Man" on her Secret Service detail...

**Frazzled**

Also, due to the succession rules, I've heard that Biden won't accept any food or drink from Hillary Clinton, but it's unconfirmed.

Not rules. He ate dinner at the Clintons' once. Once.

**reds8n**

Ta.

Some of those positions seem ranked differently than what I'd have imagined-- how established is this then ? I mean could the President change the order of succession here if he so desired without causing a major ruckus ?

Seems a bit odd that you could elect one party and then wind up with the other party in charge ? Almost asking for trouble really.

**Frazzled**

The secretaries are chosen by the executive. The Speaker, well that can change because its an elected position.

**barlio**

Well, doesn't the Prez also appoint a lot of those positions?

Edit: Frazzeled beat me to it.

**reds8n**

Frazzled wrote:The secretaries are chosen by the executive. The Speaker, well that can change because its an elected position.

Yeah, I get that, what I'm asking is if the President could change the order of succession here. I'm assuming his hands are pretty much tied with regards to the VP-Speaker order, but is there any particular reason he couldn't change it so the Sec. for defense would assume power before the sec. for the treas. for example ? I appreciate we might be delving a little bit beyond people's common knowledge so just holler if this is unknown.