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OMG you don't like the music I like?! WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?!

Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm more of a Pink Floyd fan. Queen's awesome too.

Led Zeppeline is good and all, but they only made 4 songs that I really enjoy.

That matters not! So long as they made some songs you can enjoy, then you can say (through a long and convoluted arguement that I really don't have time to repeat,)
that you are a Led Head.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:"Why would someone name their kid Lead? And why is their last name Zepplin?"

What the feth? Even if it was the name of a singer, who the feth would think that's the name they were born with?

Even more nerdrage followed.

You should join the Twilight thread.

Foo Fighters,

I'VE GOT ANOTHER CONFESSION TO MAKE

Where is this thread that deserves the Righteous Ire of the Scout possesed of Golden Eyes?

I like the Boston Pops. Please don't hit me.

wolf templar wrote:I like the Boston Pops. Please don't hit me.

HOLY SH*T! wolf templars back in town! Yeah! Where the hell have you been?

I always hoped that that nice young Pink Floyd fellah would start a band with that Jethro Tull kid down the street. That would have made Mother's toes tap, I can tell you!

The Jonas Brothers are just the latest example in a long line of industry-endorsed pablum rammed down an ignorant public's throat.

I really, really loathe that '92% of kids...' crap in you siggie though GES, it's everywhere, and just sooooo wrong. Firstly, where's the 92% coming from? Secondly, who the hell has the right to say hip-hop isn't 'real' music anyway? The kind of people who like 'real' music are the sorts who oppose progression but love prog rock. Punk happened for a reason.

Wu Tang FTW.



Open your mind, open your ears, get the money.

"Good" is a pretty relative term. For as long as the record industry has been around, the real geniuses (in pop music at least) have been the songwriters and producers. Even going back to the late 40's and early 50's, most music was written by one person and performed by another. That's what's done with most pop stars today. Not that it really even matters if this girls likes Led or even knows who they are; if she likes the Bros. so be it. She's not forcing you to listen to them.

Will people remember Fitty cent, the Jonas bros, or Flo rida in 30 years? I think not. Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, and Pink Floyd will still be getting airplay in the future.

barlio wrote:Will people remember Fitty cent, the Jonas bros, or Flo rida in 30 years? I think not. Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, and Pink Floyd will still be getting airplay in the future.

Yes people will. Here's why: They are topping the charts. I bet that a lot of people who listened Led in the 80's thought the same things about Madonna and U2. Point being, if an artist is liked, he/she will be remembered.



IMO AC/DC isn't actually a great band. Crappy lyrics and repetitive guitar licks. Any 1st year guitar student can learn their songs and solos. Fun factor redeems them though.

Actually, no, no one will remember them.

It has nothing to do with topping the charts now, it has to do with the utter crap that they're pushing.

There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal about this. You know, whether they realize it or not, most people could hum a Beatles tune if asked. (Not a specific one, but something by them). Probably something by the Stones too.

The reason is that those bands had organic growth. For every hit that the Rolling Stones created, there are ten other songs that didn't make it big. The singles were selected out of a body of work, because they were songs that appealed to people. Artists were given a good deal of free reign to create their own thing, and DJs were, likewise, given the freedom to play new stuff.

Now, you get these flash pop acts, the "singles" are handed to them by record execs who push it down our throats because they own these huge radio conglomerates. The songs that are played aren't played because they're popular, they're played in an attempt to get them to become popular. It's not organic, it's forced.

Madonna and U2 and AC/DC all predate this system. I could hum a few bars of songs by any of them, because they became part of our collective culture organically.

That's not true of any of the new pop acts of the last 10-15 years. I couldn't tell you their names or what they sounded like. They're just mass produced crap that is completely forgettable. And in ten years, no one will remember their songs or names.

Meanwhile, the bands that are struggling to build fan bases organically, without huge companies pushing them will continue to become part of our larger culture. They are the ones who are writing the songs you'll remember in ten years.

youngblood wrote:

barlio wrote:Will people remember Fitty cent, the Jonas bros, or Flo rida in 30 years? I think not. Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, and Pink Floyd will still be getting airplay in the future.

Yes people will. Here's why: They are topping the charts. I bet that a lot of people who listened Led in the 80's thought the same things about Madonna and U2. Point being, if an artist is liked, he/she will be remembered.



IMO AC/DC isn't actually a great band. Crappy lyrics and repetitive guitar licks. Any 1st year guitar student can learn their songs and solos. Fun factor redeems them though.

Meh, what about Milli Vanilli and Vanilla Ice? They chopped the charts as well and they're both now shunned for their music. As far as my feelings on Madonna see Resevior Dogs. People remember Led, AC/DC, the Beatles, etc.. because they are pioneers. Rap and Pop (in general) are like movies you would see on the Sci-Fi channel. Cheap rehashes of something you've seen elsewhere.

I get your point though and I'm not saying that it can't happen. They just need to pioneer a musical movement of their own.

Barlio, you don't think people will remember Biggie, Tupac, Wu Tang, Afrikka Bambaata, Public Enemy and NWA in 20 years?

barlio wrote:

youngblood wrote:

barlio wrote:Will people remember Fitty cent, the Jonas bros, or Flo rida in 30 years? I think not. Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, and Pink Floyd will still be getting airplay in the future.

Yes people will. Here's why: They are topping the charts. I bet that a lot of people who listened Led in the 80's thought the same things about Madonna and U2. Point being, if an artist is liked, he/she will be remembered.



IMO AC/DC isn't actually a great band. Crappy lyrics and repetitive guitar licks. Any 1st year guitar student can learn their songs and solos. Fun factor redeems them though.

Meh, what about Milli Vanilli and Vanilla Ice? They chopped the charts as well and they're both now shunned for their music. As far as my feelings on Madonna see Resevior Dogs. People remember Led, AC/DC, the Beatles, etc.. because they are pioneers. Rap and Pop (in general) are like movies you would see on the Sci-Fi channel. Cheap rehashes of something you've seen elsewhere.

I get your point though and I'm not saying that it can't happen. They just need to pioneer a musical movement of their own.

I can agree with you to a certain extent, but not with 50 cent. He's pretty acknowledged for pioneering a new style of gangster rap. Don't write rap off either. Rap has some of the best understand of flow ever. Even today's rap (granted I'm more of an underground hip/hop fan), but look at Danger Mouse (1 part of Gnarls Barkley). He mashed up Jay Z's Black album with the Beatles White album and its a cult hit! Most everything he's put it is quality. You can't really just write off entire genres of music. Also, try to define "pop" for me. Last time I checked it was short for "popular". Just some things to think about.

Redbeard: I understand what you are getting at, but you're pretty wrong. Most people you meet on the street can sing a few bars from the new Lady Gaga song or at least some Kanye West. Granted, much stuff being put out right now is corporately designed, but that doesn't mean people don't like it or won't remember it.

Greebynog wrote:Barlio, you don't think people will remember Biggie, Tupac, Wu Tang, Afrikka Bambaata, Public Enemy and NWA in 20 years?

Oh yes they will each of these are pioneers in their own right. They have had an impact on modern culture and music. How many current rappers started just because they heard their music? I'm not denying rap (or its popularity) I'm just saying that the airwaves are over saturated with crap.

Teh real pioneers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Black_Hat

barlio wrote:

Greebynog wrote:Barlio, you don't think people will remember Biggie, Tupac, Wu Tang, Afrikka Bambaata, Public Enemy and NWA in 20 years?

Oh yes they will each of these are pioneers in their own right. They have had an impact on modern culture and music. How many current rappers started just because they heard their music? I'm not denying rap (or its popularity) I'm just saying that the airwaves are over saturated with crap.

Teh real pioneers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Black_Hat

Sweet lord, that looks wonderful.

youngblood wrote:
Redbeard: I understand what you are getting at, but you're pretty wrong. Most people you meet on the street can sing a few bars from the new Lady Gaga song or at least some Kanye West. Granted, much stuff being put out right now is corporately designed, but that doesn't mean people don't like it or won't remember it.

You missed the point. Sure they can hum it now, that's because it's all around them - now. Can you name a chart-topping artist from ten years ago? I can't. Maybe Britney Spears, but that's more because her life turned into a joke than because I know anything about her music. I can name 20 artists, off the top of my head, from the top-40 charts of the 80s, including many of the one-hit-wonders. Easily. And probably twice that many Classic Rock acts, without trying hard.

It isn't that people aren't inundated with what the corporations are pushing at them right now. It's that none of this corporate music has any longevity. It's here, it's selling, people are listening to it, but no one will remember it in ten years.

Redbeard wrote:

It isn't that people aren't inundated with what the corporations are pushing at them right now. It's that none of this corporate music has any longevity. It's here, it's selling, people are listening to it, but no one will remember it in ten years.

That's the truest statement said in this entire thread. To answer your first question, I can name several chart toppers, but I'm also obsessed with music. We've been talking almost solely about mainstream music here. What does everyone think about independent music (i.e. not on major labels such as EMI, Sony, etc.)? I think that it's never been healthier, mainly due to the internet.

Independant music's golden age was from about 1977-1982. Factory, Postcard and Rough Trade were putting out amazing music constantly throughout those years.

The internet isn't that great for independant music. Sure, it allows people to self-release and find an audience worldwide, but how do you sort the wheat from the chaff?

Greebynog wrote:Independant music's golden age was from about 1977-1982. Factory, Postcard and Rough Trade were putting out amazing music constantly throughout those years.

The internet isn't that great for independant music. Sure, it allows people to self-release and find an audience worldwide, but how do you sort the wheat from the chaff?

Good question, but being a musician myself, I would say that I wouldn't have been able to book half the shows I've gotten (i.e. anything out of state) had it not been for the internet. I've found more music because of Myspace and my local music store (although I think that has more to do with the fact that you can record an entire album on a laptop now with better sound quality than led zeppelin ever had access to) than I ever have in iTunes or a big chain store. I think that sorting through what's good (to my ear at least) is half the fun of how music works today. The internet has also allowed bands to release albums without any label help: look at Radiohead's latest release.

youngblood wrote:

barlio wrote:

Greebynog wrote:Barlio, you don't think people will remember Biggie, Tupac, Wu Tang, Afrikka Bambaata, Public Enemy and NWA in 20 years?

Oh yes they will each of these are pioneers in their own right. They have had an impact on modern culture and music. How many current rappers started just because they heard their music? I'm not denying rap (or its popularity) I'm just saying that the airwaves are over saturated with crap.

Teh real pioneers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Black_Hat

Sweet lord, that looks wonderful.

Ya one of the guys (Sweet-T is his name in the movie, i.e. Ice-T, etc...) has a song in the movie called My Peanuts. You can only imagine where that goes...

Redbeard wrote:

youngblood wrote:
Redbeard: I understand what you are getting at, but you're pretty wrong. Most people you meet on the street can sing a few bars from the new Lady Gaga song or at least some Kanye West. Granted, much stuff being put out right now is corporately designed, but that doesn't mean people don't like it or won't remember it.

You missed the point. Sure they can hum it now, that's because it's all around them - now. Can you name a chart-topping artist from ten years ago? I can't. Maybe Britney Spears, but that's more because her life turned into a joke than because I know anything about her music. I can name 20 artists, off the top of my head, from the top-40 charts of the 80s, including many of the one-hit-wonders. Easily. And probably twice that many Classic Rock acts, without trying hard.

It isn't that people aren't inundated with what the corporations are pushing at them right now. It's that none of this corporate music has any longevity. It's here, it's selling, people are listening to it, but no one will remember it in ten years.

Respectfully, there's no real difference to listeners now vs. the 50s. Radio now is controlled by big chains. Music then was controlled by big chains-just different chains. Muscia and radio invented the original pay for play.

I'd bet good money you grew up in the 80s, which is why you remember those lyrics. Top 40 is the same industry garbage that it was in the 50s, the 90s, and currently. Indeed with the invetntion of the intranets some additional avenues have opened up which weren't available previously for niche musicians.

But remember, what you think is absolute tripe will be the soulful deep crap of the next generation. Live it learn it love it.
Death before disco....

Frazzled, i think that you might have just killed the thread. Way to go.

No, Frazzled didn't kill it. It's been in a certain state of undeath since the first post.

Since nobody's put out the blatant reaction yet:

"Oh. Well they can't have any songs as good as the Jonas Brothers."

"No, they aren't rock. But the Jonas Bros are."

youngblood wrote:Frazzled, i think that you might have just killed the thread. Way to go.

Thats me, the Baron von Richtoffen of allied threads.o thread can stand against the might of Frazzled. Hey I think I've just been insulted.

Wait, er what?


EDIT: I really rspect the above post. I could use that for, well, my life

barlio wrote:

Greebynog wrote:Barlio, you don't think people will remember Biggie, Tupac, Wu Tang, Afrikka Bambaata, Public Enemy and NWA in 20 years?

Oh yes they will each of these are pioneers in their own right. They have had an impact on modern culture and music. How many current rappers started just because they heard their music? I'm not denying rap (or its popularity) I'm just saying that the airwaves are over saturated with crap.

Teh real pioneers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Black_Hat

I just *ahem* 'bought' that film and watched it. Very funny indeed once you get over the blatant Spinal Tap biting.

What happened to when songs actually told a story...or ment something. Something other than a stupid catchy hook...or a "rap" about rims and tims and sh!t.

Sheets of empty canvas
Untouched sheets of clay
Were laid spread out before me
As her body once did

All five horizons
Revolved around her soul
As the Earth to the Sun
Now, the air I tasted and breathed
Has taken a turn

Ooh, and all I taught her was everything
Ooh, I know she gave me all that she wore
And now my bitter hands
Chafe beneath the clouds
Of what was everything
All the pictures have
All been washed in black
Tattooed everything

I take a walk outside
I'm surrounded by some kids at play
I can feel their laughter
So why do I sear?

Mm, and twisted thoughts that spin round my head
I'm spinning, oh, I'm spinning
How quick the Sun can drop away
And now my bitter hands
Cradle broken glass
Of what was everything
All the pictures have
All been washed in black
Tattooed everything
All the love gone bad
Turned my world to black
Tattooed all I see, all that I am, all I'll be, yeah

Uh-huh
Uh-huh
Woo
I know that someday you'll have a beautiful life
I know you'll be a star
In somebody else's sky
But why, why, why can't it be
Why can't it be mine?
Ah, yeah
Uh, woo-hoo

She came from Greece, she had a thirst for knowledge
She studied sculpture at Saint Martin's College
That's where I caught her eye
She told me that her Dad was loaded
I said "In that case I'll have rum and coca-cola
She said "fine"
And then in 30 seconds time she said
"I want to live like common people
I want to do whatever common people do
I want to sleep with common people
I want to sleep with common people like you"
Well what else could I do?
I said "I'll see what I can do"
I took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
but I had to start it somewhere
so it started there
I said "pretend you've got no money"
but she just laughed
and said "oh you're so funny"
I said "Yeah
Well I can't see anyone else smiling in here
Are you sure
you want to live like common people
you want to see whatever common people see
you want to sleep with common people
you want to sleep with common people like me?"
But she didn't understand
she just smiled and held my hand
Rent a flat above a shop
Cut your hair and get a job
Smoke some fags and play some pool
Pretend you never went to school
But still you'll never get it right
'cos when you're laid in bed at night
watching roaches climb the wall
if you called your dad he could stop it all
yeah
You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
and then dance and drink and screw
because there's nothing else to do
Sing along with the common people
Sing along and it might just get you through
Laugh along with the common people
Laugh along although they're laughing at you
and the stupid things that you do
because you think that poor is cool
Like a dog lying in a corner
they will bite you and never warn you
Look out
they'll tear your insides out
'cos everybody hates a tourist
especially one who thinks
it's all such a laugh
yeah and the chip stain's grease
will come out in the bath
You will never understand
how it feels to live your life
with no meaning or control
and with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
and they burn so bright
whilst you can only wonder why
Rent a flat above a shop
Cut your hair and get a job
Smoke some fags and play some pool
Pretend you never went to school
But still you'll never get it right
'cause when you're laid in bed at night
watching roaches climb the wall
if you called your dad he could stop it all
yeah
You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
and then dance and drink and screw
'because there's nothing else to do
I want to live with common people like you....

On a cold winters morning
In the time before the light
In flames of death's eternal rain
We ride towards the fight
When the darkness is falling down
And the times of tuffled rights
The sound of evil laughter
Falls around the world tonight
Fighting hard, fighting on for the steel
Through the wastelands evermore
The scattered souls will feel the hell
Bodies wasted on the shores

On the blackest plains in hell's domain
We watch them as they go
In fire and pain, now once again we know

So now we're flyin', we're free,
We're free before the thunderstorm
on towards the wilderness
Our quest carries on
Far beyond the sundown, far beyond the moonlight
Deep inside our hearts and all our souls

So far away we wait for the day
For the lives all so wasted and gone
We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days
Through the fire and the flames we carry on

As the red day is dawning
And the lightning cracks the sky
They will raise their hands to the heavens above
With resentment in their eyes
Running back through the midmorning light
There's a burning in my heart
We're banished from a time in a fallen land
To a life beyond the stars

In your darkest dreams see to believe
Our destiny this time
And endlessly we'll all be free tonight

And on the wings of a dream so far beyond reality
All alone in desperation, now that time has come
Lost inside you'll never find, lost within my own mind
Day after day this misery must go on

So far away we wait for the day
For the lives all so wasted and gone
We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days
Through the fire and the flames we carry on

Now here we stand with their blood on our hands
We fought so hard now can we understand
I'll break the seal of this curse if I possibly can
For freedom of every man

So far away we wait for the day
For the lives all so wasted and gone
We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days
Through the fire and the flames we carry on!!!!!!!!