athba wrote:Allpharius - you agree with beating the crap out of someone??

alarmingrick wrote:
seriously, you can usually find references on here from others, or on the other trading sites. i tend to go with whoever has the lowest post count ships or pays first. i recently had a trade where they had no references to speak of, but they were also leary about shipping first. so i paid half upfront and the other half once we reached Allderan... i mean when the goods were received.

orkishlyorkish wrote:If someone's looking to scam then they'll probably head to a site mainly based on trading. Here at dakka on the other hand, we have a variety of things and trading's not the biggest part of our community.
Then again I might be wrong.....



EDIT: Luna is it just me or did you make the tip thread long before this thread? Like 3 months ago?



-Orkishly

Ketara wrote:Here's a suggestion of an idea I saw on another site.

You have a stickied thread with the names of all the people who have conducted successful trades, and who the trade was with in the first post. When a trade or transaction is completed successfully, the person who started the thread edits in the new trade/username. This allows a kind of 'feedback' system to be developed, so that people can be more trusting of who they trade with.

Alazahr wrote:In general the users here use or have at least heard of Bartertown.com. They have a good/bad trader list there... Use it; if not for anything more then reference. Also, a lot of people do have eBay accounts. Use that as well.

-J.

Hello to all new members of RogueMarket.com. We encourage you to read this thread in it's entirety and follow the guidelines and suggestions laid out in this guide to trading to help make better trades and protect yourself from possible scams.

We've broken down this F.A.Q. into different sections to make it easier for you, the Forum Member, to quickly reference this thread based upon your situation (whether you are buying, selling, or trading.). Sections are titled in BLUE HEADINGS. Read the section details carefully and follow the advice given at your discretion. These are merely guidelines set forth by veteran trade members who've had great success using these methods. These ARE NOT RULES, only suggestions.

Should you have any further questions or need any further assistance, please contact a moderator of the site (anyone of us will gladly help assist you with your questions if we can and can refer you to someone else who can, if we can't)

Making a trade thread

When posting a new trade thread there are a few things that you should always be including in the thread.

1. A list. You should be posting a list of anything and everything you are wanting to trade and receive. Posting something like "Have a buncha IG want SM terminators, Devastators, and Captain." will get you some responses, most of which will be asking what IG minis you have. So to cut out that extra step you should be posting what exactly you have.
2. Pictures. Posting a picture helps loads when it comes to selling anything that is not NIB (new in box). It shows the shape and condition of the trade item. How it's assembled or painted (if it is assembled or painted) and gives just a little bit of proof that you actually have the items in question.
3. Clear and concise description. Post **exactly** what you have and it's shape and condition. Be honest with this. If the mini is broken or missing a limb or item then list that. Chances are people will still be interested, but maybe not the same people who would want the mini intact.
4. Don't rush. Posting a trade thread in a rush leads to a ton of mistakes and generally a very poor thread. Take your time. If your thread gets posted 20 minutes later than it would have if you had posted in a rush, I guarantee you won't have gotten any more responses than you would have gotten from a rushed post.
5. References. If you're new, post references to your credibility (such as Ebay user profile which you can customize to include a blurb about RM in the Bio section so that people know it's you and not someone else's ebay profile.)


Buying, Selling, Trading

* Definitions
o Buying - If you are buying items from someone.
o Selling - If you are selling your items to an individual.
o Trading/Bartering - If you are exchanging items.


For any of the three above, it is highly advisable that you get this information from the opposite party:

1. First name, and Last name = Full name on both. No partials.
2. Home/Mailing Address
3. Phone number
4. Alternative Contact Information:

* Emails
* Instant Messengers (AIM, YIM, MSN, GTALK, etc.)


Buying:

1. PMs. Private Messages are the lifeblood of all trades on this site. They are used to relay information between the two trade parties whether it be to negotiate the trade details or to exchange address info. You should have a VALID EMAIL ADDRESS associated with this site so when you receive a PM you get a notification sent to an email address you check regularly. This is so that you can keep in good contact with your trades even if you do not check the site regularly.
2. Payment.
* PayPal. Anytime you are sending money to someone else electronically, you should be using Paypal. It's simple enough that all you need is a bank account with money in it. You can also use a credit card to pay for things via Paypal. It's secure, has many countermeasures to protect you from scams and also has a high success rate of getting your money back should you be scammed.
* Checks (Cheques). This is also another secure method (however not quite as secure as PayPal as your bank defines fraud a bit differently.) Be sure to notate on the ledger/notes section EXACTLY what you're paying for. If you're concerned about your bank info being used inappropriately and would rather not risk your bank account then use an M.O.;
* Money Orders. These should be a last resort. They have little to no scam protection, very little in the way of tracking, and can easily be scammed. Avoid using Money Orders if you have other means of sending money.
3. Communication. Upon receipt of your shipment you should contact the seller to confirm the receipt of your product and to also alert them of any problems if there were any (remember they can't make it right for you if they don't know something went wrong.).
4. Feedback. At the conclusion of the purchase, once BOTH parties have received their items (whether it's money-for-minis or minis-for-minis) BOTH parties should leave *somewhat* detailed info for their trade via the iTrader feedback system. This is considered a courtesy as well, but as a member of this site you should help others to build member credibility which will establish a stronger community built upon trust.


Selling:

1. PMs. Private Messages are the lifeblood of all trades on this site. They are used to relay information between the two trade parties whether it be to negotiate the trade details or to exchange address info. You should have a VALID EMAIL ADDRESS associated with this site so when you receive a PM you get a notification sent to an email address you check regularly. This is so that you can keep in good contact with your trades even if you do not check the site regularly.
2. Receipts. Anytime you are receiving money through any money transfer service you should contact the buyer with a PM or email stating that the money was received and confirm that you are shipping their product. This is just one step to ensure trust between you two and to keep them informed of your progress.
3. Shipping. The item should be shipped no later than a business week after receipt of payment. Nothing barring sickness (personal hospitalization) or Acts of God that would prevent you from getting to the post office (post office burned down, Hurricanes destroyed the post office, etc.) should excuse you from taking over 7 days to get something shipped once paid. IF such a delay does occur CONTACT THE BUYER IMMEDIATELY to inform them. 99 out of 100 times, the other person will be ok with the delay and understand so long as you keep them in the loop. That said, if you fail so completely that it takes over 2 weeks to ship something you shouldn't be selling the item in the first place.
* Shipping 'extras'.
o Delivery Confirmation. Every package should be shipped with delivery confirmation if possible. It's $0.65 from the Post Office. It can provide proof of shipment and arrival. It aslo gives the buyer a heads up for when to expect the package. If anything, charge extra for shipping to cover this cost. If the buyer declines it, then that's their choice, but you at least made the effort.
o Signature Received. Any sale over $50 should have this included. It provides proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that you package arrived safe and secure with it's contents secure and was accepted by the recipient.
o Insurance. This isn't a necessity in most cases. It only provides coverage should something happen to your package while it's being delivered. 999 times out of 1000 it's gonna make it to the recipient in good condition.
4. Communication. Contact the seller with the info pertaining to their shipment. Include
* when you dropped it off
* where you dropped it off (which delivery service, i.e. : P.O., UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc.)
* give tracking info (if purchased by the buyer.)
5. Feedback. At the conclusion of the sale, once BOTH parties have received their items (whether it's money-for-minis or minis-for-minis) BOTH parties should leave *somewhat* detailed info for their trade via the iTrader feedback system. This is considered a courtesy as well, but as a member of this site you should help others to build member credibility which will establish a stronger community built upon trust.



Trading/Bartering:

1. PMs. Private Messages are the lifeblood of all trades on this site. They are used to relay information between the two trade parties whether it be to negotiate the trade details or to exchange address info. You should have a VALID EMAIL ADDRESS associated with this site so when you receive a PM you get a notification sent to an email address you check regularly. This is so that you can keep in good contact with your trades even if you do not check the site regularly.
2. Shipping. This is something that can be a bother, but is a necessity. When you complete a trade, you should have the items AT the post office NO LATER than a week after the conclusion of the trade via PMs. There's no excuse that will validate any reasoning for why it would take you longer to get the items to the post office any later than a week. No one likes to wait for items, yourself included.
* Delivery Confirmation/Signature Received/Insurance. All of these extras add just a little bit more security to your trade and cost $3 in total usually. Delivery Confirmation gives proof that a packages was shipped and can prove it arrived. Signature Received gives proof that it was received *and* accepted. Insurance will rarely be needed, but should something happen to your package it will be covered by the deliverer.
3. Communication. Once you have shipped the item(s), send a PM to the receiver stating that you shipped and include all info of the shipment (delivery confirmation #, delivery service, expected arrival, etc.) This is a common courtesy and will let the receiver know to expect the package.
4. Feedback. At the conclusion of the trade, once BOTH parties have received their items (whether it's money-for-minis or minis-for-minis) BOTH parties should leave *somewhat* detailed info for their trade via the iTrader feedback system. This is considered a courtesy as well, but as a member of this site you should help others to build member credibility which will establish a stronger community built upon trust.




Things to look out for with potential scams

1. Post Count. this is not a be all end all when it comes to detecting scammers. If someone is trading with you and has less than 5 posts, be wary. They're not very active on the forums, keeping a low profile.
2. Join Date. If someone has registered less than a few months back, exercise caution. Check their iTrader feedback, references, post counts, actual posts, PM communication (timeliness). Going back to #1 scammers tend to keep an extremely low profile cause they want to fly in under the radar. Less attention on them means they aren't being scrutinized.
3. Odd offers. If someone is offering you something that is too good to be true, chances are - IT IS. If you're getting the better end of the stick by far then you might want to exercise caution again.
4. Do your homework. Don't trade blindly. Research who you're trading with using the site's many resources in the user profile of the person with whom you are trading with.
5. Build rappore. Don't make a trade over $50 with someone for the first time unless you are certain they're legit. If things go smooth, trade some more and build rappore with one another.
6. P.O. Box Addresses. Its highly advised to not trade with P.O. Boxes. You get the point.
7. All else fails. If you're still uncertain of a trade, PM the details to a mod. We're usually on the site 6+ hours a day goofing off and enjoying the site. We all get to know 80% of the members either through personal trades we've conducted or hearing about trades from others.