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JohnHwangDD wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:I'd go for the Imperial Fists.

The Fluff behind these guys is amazing as well.

Amazing?

As in their Primarch being stupid enough to lose nearly the entire Chapter to a well-planned trap by the Iron Warriors?

Did you ever see the Last Samurai? The Iron Cage is like the charge at the end. They lost, but it was meant to be a fall on your sword loss.

Yeah, I know.

It's just that the Imperial Fists are pretty much the poster boys for "even the Emperor had a slowed son".
- supposed siege masters, but clearly and obviously inferior to the Iron Warriors (who easily tore down the IF defenses on Terra separate from the Iron Cage)
- Primarch characterized by extreme stupidity in losing 4 Companies for no good reason
- Primarch lacking the balls to stand up for his own Legion
- Primarch kissing Roboute's butt and becoming a Codex poster boy

PURE FAIL.

In the far future of 40k, the Imperial Fists are the one chapter I simply cannot respect.

You don't play Iron Warriors, by chance?

I used to be.

I played MoCU Veteran / Havok spam in 3E, so Iron Warriors was the closest match for what I was fielding when Legion rules came out. I've since unloaded those minis.

My new CSM will field as skittles Black Legion as the best match for where I'm going forward.

Mistress of minis wrote:The biggest problem I have with marines is the boredom.

"Oh look! space marines! How cool!" is something the newbs get to say for about 2 weeks.

After 10 years "Oh look, more stupid badly painted marines. the paint is so boring they get a bonus cover save because no one cares....'

So, my goal is to make a marine army, that people look at and say 'Those guys are friggin awesome!' but theyre probly in line behind my orks and chaos....but you never know when my army mood will change....

Lol I know what your saying. I havent even been wargaming ten years and I get that feeling.

n0t_u wrote:Just look at the stats of the Space Marines. They're apparently balanced and usually a bit stronger than normal stuff. I started this game with Space Marines back in 2005, there was no GW in the area at all. They seemed alright, easy to hit and kill stuff with them. Easy to stop them from dieing. I gave up on the game after a while, but started playing again near the beginning of this year. They're still alright, but they kind of get boring to play after a while. So I'm going to start a Tau army.

It's not really about how good the stats are, its how fun the army is to use. Space Marines are real easy to learn the game with, the downfall is that they'll make the more normal guys seem crappy for a while. Space Marines are really just the learner army, the varients try to add some difference to using them. But, in the end playing Space Marines is kind of like playing on easy. Some people just like them for that, others just like them because of the armour or whatever reason.

True they are easy to learn with but I just hate how GW tries to force them upon newbies and when I started tried to steer me away from exploring other armies. Thank the Emperor that I did my homework and learned about the armies beforehand

karnaeya wrote:What are space marines?

Maybe if you ignore them the will go away like 50 cent.

Lol treied that

I attempt to stave off that "Marines are Boring" cliché by only using robed marines for my Dark Angels. Back when they where only metal, it got pretty damn costly.

Space Marines work very well with the 40K background. The whole sci fi knight/monk thing suits the gothic imagery of the universe created by GW perfectly.

That said, they've had as much development as they're ever going to need and the process of refining some of the other races is long overdue.

My first army was Marines, way back in '87. I liked the background for them, not to mention that you couldn't get much of anything else at the time! LOL! I now have Space Wolves, White Scars, Dark Angels & Black Templar armies, as well as Grey Knights. I find I am attracted to the models, the colors, etc. as well as the way that each chapter plays. Of course, I own 19 armies in total so I guess I can say that about all of them!

I've played SM for the better part of 20-odd years.

I liked the mind-scrubbed aspect psychotic criminals aspect of them first off (punish the criminal mind, use the tool). I don't use the current fluff pieces (crusading knightly orders, pah), using a variant background. Yes, they all have the geneseed, and follow the codex astartes for their TO&E, but their formation and creation are the big change.

Yes, many SM players are noobs who tend to big-talk their armies (like many soccer/football fans do - ie "we beat you!" - "you didn't play in the team, how can you use the inclusive pronoun?"). There are some players, though, who don't. It's the quiet ones to watch out for.

If you have a problem with the Space Marine Players, the avoid them. You never have to be around anyone you don't want to. If you choose to suffer through their idiotic ramblings you're justy as guilty of idiocy. But Cocky Space Marine players are not the only faction with pompous -holes for players, in fact I would say the most overtly hostile would be the marine haters. Young Marine Fanobois sometimes don't know anybetter, the more experienced players who play a Xenos race to be 'different', 'cool', and 'edgy', not only miss the point, but are just as bad as the little kids with crayon covered models.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:If you have a problem with the Space Marine Players, the avoid them. You never have to be around anyone you don't want to. If you choose to suffer through their idiotic ramblings you're justy as guilty of idiocy. But Cocky Space Marine players are not the only faction with pompous -holes for players, in fact I would say the most overtly hostile would be the marine haters. Young Marine Fanobois sometimes don't know anybetter, the more experienced players who play a Xenos race to be 'different', 'cool', and 'edgy', not only miss the point, but are just as bad as the little kids with crayon covered models. [/quote

FTW

I play marines simply because I think they look awesome. I get turned off by the hordes of ADHD adolescents who also play SM at my LGS that give me a headache after an hour of being there but it doesn't make me think less of SM as a whole.

I've been playing dark angels since rogue trader. Still like them the best. I have played almost every other army there is at one time or another but Dark Angels are it for me especially Deathwing.

If they ever redo dark eldar I would have something to give it a run for the money.

Maybe I just like the word dark. lol.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:If you have a problem with the Space Marine Players, the avoid them. You never have to be around anyone you don't want to. If you choose to suffer through their idiotic ramblings you're justy as guilty of idiocy. But Cocky Space Marine players are not the only faction with pompous -holes for players, in fact I would say the most overtly hostile would be the marine haters. Young Marine Fanobois sometimes don't know anybetter, the more experienced players who play a Xenos race to be 'different', 'cool', and 'edgy', not only miss the point, but are just as bad as the little kids with crayon covered models.

Lol true Ive met other players who are just as guilty mostly eldar for some strange reason.

The Gopher wrote:I play marines simply because I think they look awesome. I get turned off by the hordes of ADHD adolescents who also play SM at my LGS that give me a headache after an hour of being there but it doesn't make me think less of SM as a whole.

I think thats awesome the armys gotta look good. I have respect for space marines and their players it just pisses me off when they dont show the same

Gatorsama wrote:I've been playing dark angels since rogue trader. Still like them the best. I have played almost every other army there is at one time or another but Dark Angels are it for me especially Deathwing.

If they ever redo dark eldar I would have something to give it a run for the money.

Maybe I just like the word dark. lol.

I think dark eldar are getting cut. I really wish they wouldnt a good friend of mine was going to get into the game playing them

I dont really mind sm. I have a thousand points of crimson fists although i have stopped collecting in favour of gk and chaos marines. My first ever army was ig cadians cos i liked the look of them.

Hi,
Way back before 40k appeared I'd collect the odd figure and use them
for Rpgs.Then when 40k arrived my collecting went into over drive!
I think for me it was just a case of being more into Sci/fi than fantasy.
Remember films like Aliens and Predator also appeared in the 80s like 40k.
Marines just tapped into my psyche when it comes to Sci/fi.That and I've
always found WFB tedious beyond belief...

There's a certain 'vanilla' quality to Space Marines especially if you play Ultramarines. They are a good concept and good to look at. I think the resentment towards them is due to the fact they are an easy army to play with, they are seemingly good at everything and have few drawbacks. They are widely supported with a large range of models and rulesets for various chapters. They have been in every starter set for 40K since the rules started being bundled with figures so they are the first choice for most. They are easy to paint. They are cheap to collect, an army consists of a handful of units and vehicles which are nearly all plastic (though other armies have improved in recent years), you have to buy twice as much for things like Orks or Imperial Guard.

I can tell what the problem is. There are too many marine players around and that makes things a bit dull. I'd say that in some groups you'll find the majority will play marines. As GWs favourite product Marines are perceived (rightly or wrongly, that's a different debate) to get preferential treatment in rulesets and release of miniatures. Also, Marines shriek 'newbie'. Frequently as the first army out of the box they are the newbie's choice, which means there are a lot of badly painted, easily playable powerful Marine armies in the hands of immature players, more so than any other army. Some people then go on to hate the sight of Marines regardless of who is fielding them.

On the other side of the fence, some of the people complaining about marines do so out of snobbery for popular, standardised and easy-to-play models. They think they are a bigger and better fanboy by playing with their all-converted Vespid army or their 'counts as' Squat renegades.

Howard A Treesong wrote:There's a certain 'vanilla' quality to Space Marines especially if you play Ultramarines. They are a good concept and good to look at. I think the resentment towards them is due to the fact they are an easy army to play with, they are seemingly good at everything and have few drawbacks. They are widely supported with a large range of models and rulesets for various chapters. They have been in every starter set for 40K since the rules started being bundled with figures so they are the first choice for most. They are easy to paint. They are cheap to collect, an army consists of a handful of units and vehicles which are nearly all plastic (though other armies have improved in recent years), you have to buy twice as much for things like Orks or Imperial Guard.

I can tell what the problem is. There are too many marine players around and that makes things a bit dull. I'd say that in some groups you'll find the majority will play marines. As GWs favourite product Marines are perceived (rightly or wrongly, that's a different debate) to get preferential treatment in rulesets and release of miniatures. Also, Marines shriek 'newbie'. Frequently as the first army out of the box they are the newbie's choice, which means there are a lot of badly painted, easily playable powerful Marine armies in the hands of immature players, more so than any other army. Some people then go on to hate the sight of Marines regardless of who is fielding them.

On the other side of the fence, some of the people complaining about marines do so out of snobbery for popular, standardised and easy-to-play models. They think they are a bigger and better fanboy by playing with their all-converted Vespid army or their 'counts as' Squat renegades.

Wow...........That about sums it all up with one post. I must simply congratulate you

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:I'd go for the Imperial Fists.

The Fluff behind these guys is amazing as well.

Amazing?

As in their Primarch being stupid enough to lose nearly the entire Chapter to a well-planned trap by the Iron Warriors?

Did you ever see the Last Samurai? The Iron Cage is like the charge at the end. They lost, but it was meant to be a fall on your sword loss.

Yeah, I know.

It's just that the Imperial Fists are pretty much the poster boys for "even the Emperor had a slowed son".
- supposed siege masters, but clearly and obviously inferior to the Iron Warriors (who easily tore down the IF defenses on Terra separate from the Iron Cage)
- Primarch characterized by extreme stupidity in losing 4 Companies for no good reason
- Primarch lacking the balls to stand up for his own Legion
- Primarch kissing Roboute's butt and becoming a Codex poster boy

PURE FAIL.

In the far future of 40k, the Imperial Fists are the one chapter I simply cannot respect.

You clearly have forgotten about the Crimson Fists roving champion - Fistus Maximus.