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Lordhat wrote:

Mad Rabbit wrote:Sounds like you need to find a new store. I admire your restraint, as in situations like the above I tend to return fire. For example, in the last situation, I would complain loudly of a racist atmosphere.

I'd like to go OT for a second and respond to this. Why does criticizing the current president instantly mark a person as a racist? I'll bet you'll find that 99% of the people who don't like Obama, ALSO didn't like Clinton (myself among them). Instantly "playing the race card" as soon as somebody voices their dissent with the current establishment is pure prejudice and hypocrisy.

I missed that the first time around. I had no idea that Janeane Garofalo was into WH40K!

Cut out the:

1. Personal Attacks

2. Politics

3. Anything that is off-topic to this thread.

It was going along pretty well there. I deleted a few inappropriate posts.

Well I was in the process of a quote to use in starting another topic when Iorek jumped in with the mod stick. will post the link when I'm done.

Here's the Link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/245168.page

I look at it this way, he is the Manager, there is NO reason at all for him to have acted like that. The guy is a manager for a reason, and apparently he didn't deserve the title. I think he should be fired, or have his punk ass kicked cause he's being paid to be an donkey-cave to customers over rule interpretation. I agree, it's a game...don't fight over it.

Sounds like the manager was out of line. It may be easy to lose your temper in such a situation, but as the store's manager he should have kept his cool, for the sake of his employer if nothing else.

However, it sounds like the OP was at least as out of line. Getting into an argument over an obvious typo, while his own team members disagreed with him, during a demo game? Giving a biased presentation of the events under the guise of a "warning"? Not leaving the store when asked to? (Which, I might add, could have the OP in trouble for 'trespassing' just as readily as the manager could be in trouble for 'assault'.)

Wow, that is really unlike them, I've gone in a good number of time and they have never been less then reasonable. (even let my friend bring his flames of war in one time)

why in the hell did he drag politics in it? That was very...tacky of him to treat you that way. I'm from new york and now live in san antonio where there are no GW stores at all. It seems like some GW store managers have a superiority complex because they know a lot of people don't have a place to play on a daily basis. I say go through legal channels to solve this problem. What GW store in Houston is this so if I ever go there I'll by pass that store.

Does anybody read the rest of the posts in the thread?

No, many people just read the OP and the skip to hit reply. It's often comical and usually obvious for the few of us who don't.

Considering that this whole thread can be used against the original poster for libel then I think it should just be closed.

There is a new GW on 290 past Hwy 6 (going out of town). Its new (as in opened last 30 days) and potentially the closest. Plus its within 2 miles of absolutely excellent Tex Mex (Alicias), and barbeque (Sweetwater heading out, Goodies right at 6). To complete the unholy Texas Trinity of Guns, Booze, and Tex Mex, Gander Mountain/Academy have the guns (no one has the bulltes thoguh thanks Obama), and Specs has the booze at discount. Just saying...

There are a pltehora of other stores in the Houston area-both GW and FLGS.


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Toxxic wrote:Regardless of how abrasive the OP may have been, the Manager had no right to act unprofessional. Threatening to strangle you is indeed assault. Report him to his higher up. They can replace him with another minimum wage making cog in the machine. In this litigious society we live in, the store (GW for that matter) is responsible for that managers actions and can be held accountable in court for anything that he/she might do. I've never been to that particular store, but the Rice Village store has some good guys at it. You should check it out.

Edit thats not assault under Texas criminal code and practice. It has to be the immediate threat of harmful or offensive touching, combined with a realistic ability to do so.

Nerd Rage!

Sorry, I refuse to jump in on either side until the Manager states his story. I've made that mistake in the past.

It sounds like the Manager probably over-reacted. It also sounds like the OP was probably pushing a ridiculous point. I wouldn't be surprised if the OP and the Manager have a history of similar events.

Just remember, life needs more cowbell, not less.

I just think the whole thread is ridiculous I wasn't allowed to make a personal attack against this guy but he is allowed to register make personal attacks against specific entities and actually do something that is actually illegal in the form of libel.

Where are all these crazed people coming from? I've played 40K and Fantasy on and off at three different stores, and the only time anybody ever raised their voice was when they were trying to talk and laugh at a really funny joke at the same time. Maybe living in Kansas City doesn't suck so bad after all.

Hollismason wrote:I just think the whole thread is ridiculous I wasn't allowed to make a personal attack against this guy but he is allowed to register make personal attacks against specific entities and actually do something that is actually illegal in the form of libel.

Unless you're licensed to practice law in the state of Texas, your statements that this is libel is...problematic (as in wrong). The thread is open-at least for the moment-so that more than one side may be presented. If you have a view, present it in a polite fashion. Your shouting libel just makes you sound er like you need to do more research.

Avrik_Shasla wrote:I look at it this way, he is the Manager, there is NO reason at all for him to have acted like that. The guy is a manager for a reason, and apparently he didn't deserve the title. I think he should be fired, or have his punk ass kicked cause he's being paid to be an donkey-cave to customers over rule interpretation. I agree, it's a game...don't fight over it.

I wish I was as perfect as some of the posters on this forum. Shopping isn't a right, just because you buy things doesn't mean you can behave like an arse, and then whine when someone has enough and snaps back. In the real world people do their best to be polite as life works better that way, but strangely enough sometimes our buttons get pushed and we bite back. Get over it you're a big boy.

To be honest I'm suprised that there aren't more GW staff snapping. Over the years of visiting my local GW store I've lost count of opinions that I've overheard them having to put up with from customers. What makes it worse is that large chunk of gamers who use the stores are anaroks who get the bit between the teeth and just drone on and on. Always looking to see if they can get one up on the staff when it comes to knowledge (or lack of usually). The poor bugger then has to put up with it if they visit any other gaming club.

Oh, and since when would GW use a "roll a 4" option? Never, so common sense would of told you that.

Dashofpepper wrote:Every story has two sides. o.O

Agreed. I'm pretty dubious over the whole thing. I'd just get over the whole damn thing. Find another store, move on. Sounds a little lame to get on a message board like you are petitioning to have cookies removed from schools or something.

edit: BTW, I'm heartless. Nice to meet you.

edit #2: OP is being ridiculous. The strangulation threat was clearly exaggerated frustration with your ridiculous argument. I mean come on, do you have sand in your vagina?

I feel for this guy. I mean, when theres a shop you like but one of the staff members is a dick, theres not much you can do about it. Besides going online and hoping someone will feel for your case and start a netwide campaign for this guy to get the sack or something...oh wait, he did that. Good luck.

whatwhat wrote:I feel for this guy. I mean, when theres a shop you like but one of the staff members is a dick, theres not much you can do about it. Besides going online and hoping someone will feel for your case and start a netwide campaign for this guy to get the sack or something...oh wait, he did that. Good luck.

Judging by what a third party member was saying of the situation, looks like the manager wasn't intentionally trying to be a bellend, but lost his cool after getting frustrated with the OP. I'm not going to make any comments about the manager entering into political discussions, since that seems to be a separate issue from the situation presented.

That being said, seems like the OP was also a bit out of line to vigorously argue about what was likely a rules typo (admittedly, the whole, "do you think GW is stupid enough to make a mistake like this?" bit made me chuckle a bit) during a Demo game.

Definitely seems like one of those situations where you had to be there to make proper judgment.

There are always things that are said in confrontations that are misconstrued and outright twisted in how the participants remember them, but I know this particular manager is one of the more level headed people who frequent this store.
Throwing a tantrum online so other people you don't know, that don't know the situation can make you feel better with pats on the back when you were a dick and didn't like the outcome just screams "I have no real friends."
So I would take the OP with a grain of salt,.. and perhaps a shot of lime soaked tequila.

Is there an internet rule that the person who starts a thread to complain about a petty incident in the real world* will almost always turn out to be blame? Because there really should be.






*Well, a GW store which isn't exactly the real world, but is closer to it than the internet is.

I want restate in case missed:
There is a new GW on 290 past Hwy 6 (going out of town). Its new (as in opened last 30 days) and potentially the closest. Plus its within 2 miles of absolutely excellent Tex Mex (Alicias), and barbeque (Sweetwater heading out, Goodies right at 6). To complete the unholy Texas Trinity of Guns, Booze, and Tex Mex, Gander Mountain/Academy have the guns (no one has the bulltes thoguh thanks Obama), and Specs has the booze at discount. Just saying...

There are a plethora of other stores in the Houston area-both GW and FLGS.

I really think this topic is amazing. Tyras as the third party coming in and enlightening us as to what really happened is just awesome.

I could tell after the first post something was wrong. The fact that an adult can argue over something as stupid as a 4+ rule that clearly is a typo really speaks volumes about the OP's personality.

I took a read through the thread, and it doesn't seem all that serious. If the guy scares you (and it sounds like he does) carry a legal self defense weapon and crack him in the face if he actually attacks you. This type of thing I do not personally take lightly, but the law rarely sides with the customers and I could not tell you why in the slightest.

As an employee (manager or not) you get payed... As a customer I pay the money that keeps your job intact. This does not mean I have the right to berate and abuse employees, it simply means they ARE there to provide me with reasonable customer service and a sound frame of mind. I don't want some manager having a vendetta against me, causing him to ban me from the store over a stupid rule. If the manager cheats, well that sucks and you should contact corporate (in a summarized fashion, do not draw it out into a bigger #@$% competition) and find another store to play out in the mean time.

If you can't find another store GW just lost a customer and you can find a new and adventurous hobby involving something a bit less rule-bound. The people that make the rules usually break them quite often.

Just my two cents, I have absolutely no desire to be dragged into a lengthy debate over the state of affairs on mars. (That actually WAS NOT a texas joke, just a way to describe how these sort of threads make me feel.).

Having been through a threatening situation with a scam artist Wizkids Envoy(yeah they were a dime a dozen), I feel for this guy. I'm a manager for a major retailer myself and I hope you get in contact with this guys supervisor and get your situation resolved.

Making threats about beating this guy in the parking lot after close, are not funny AT ALL. A situation like this should be taken seriously and there are absolutely no reasons why an employee of a business should act in this manner, EVER.

NecronLord3 wrote:Having been through a threatening situation with a scam artist Wizkids Envoy(yeah they were a dime a dozen), I feel for this guy. I'm a manager for a major retailer myself and I hope you get in contact with this guys supervisor and get your situation resolved.

Making threats about beating this guy in the parking lot after close, are not funny AT ALL. A situation like this should be taken seriously and there are absolutely no reasons why an employee of a business should act in this manner, EVER.

However, there is a world of difference between threatening someone and what the 3rd party said was stated:

At the culmination He did say "I need a five minute break so I don't strangle him."

Thats exasperation, not a threat. Its important. I have no dog in this hunt, and have proffered other locations, but frankly the 3rd party statement sounds the most realistic.

A question to the OT: Did you make the argument that "4" was not 4+ and argued for some time to that effect, in a demo game?

I would have taken "4" to mean "4+" but if someone cried about it like this I'd say "whatever, just roll the damn dice". There's a lot of important things in the world worth arguing about, 2" tall plastic people worth it.

I truely wish people would read the entirety of the thread before posting. The guy was never threatened!

When the first roll came up to determine if the night fighting rules were still in effect a five was rolled. A collective sigh was heard from our side, as we were looking down the barrels of three battle cannons, a demolisher cannon and at least three lascannons in addition to all the infantry weapons. At this point the OP picked up the book, flipped furiously through the pages and declared that unless a four was rolled the rules stayed in effect.

The manager and the other three players all gathered around the book and sure enough the rule was written "on a roll of 4". All of us, with the exception of the OP, had a chuckle and immediately came to the conclusion that is was a typo. It was a one point stratagem, there are two and three point stratagems that aren't as powerful if it were to be run on a 4 only basis, and there is no precedent of GW using a roll of 4 only as a determining number. It didn't take thirty seconds for the majority of us to come to an agreement that it was meant to be 4+ and that night fighting rules were now over. The OP refused to give up his argument though. "No! it's written that only on a roll of 4 does night fighting go away." While the rest of his team was wanting to move on in the game and see how the expansion works the OP wanted to drag out an insane argument.

I was there the whole time. I heard everything that was said. Even with his team mates saying , "it's ok man, let's just play" and "dude it's no big deal" he insisted on driving on with his argument. The whole discussion, if you can call it that, was frustrating. About three quarters of the way through the argument the statement "Do you think that GW would be so stupid to include a rule like this" was made by the manager. That was the real turning point because it moved from the question of the rule itself into an argument about the company as a whole. When the OP answered back that GW has made stupid decisions in the past and would continue to make stupid decisions the temperment started going down hill rapidly.

The manager said that if the OP were to call GW stupid again in his presence that he would be banned from the store. At this point neither party was really interested in hearing the other and when both were talking over each other the manager dropped the book (note: did not slam) on the table and said to the guy next to him, not the OP mind you, "I need a five minute break so I don't strangle him". He went out the back door of the store and a couple of the store's regulars follwed him. The rest of the store was quiet for a minute, but resumed their chatter shortly after the manager left.

A couple minutes later he came back and said that even though he believed that the rule was on a 4+, he would play the demo as written, then he looked at the OP he said "After I kill all your stuff you can leave the store." Seeing that the OP, and my dread were the only things on the table at that time due to some horrendous deepstrike and reserve rolls it was almost a moot point to announce his targeting of the OP's forces lol. There was no more yelling and both parties were terse in their responses to wound and save rolls. The OP lost a couple of termies, but still had half a squad of them left along with his special character and a speeder on the table. Before our next shooting phase he had packed up his army and stood near the back door of the shop, pacing and brooding.

After the IG managed to kill our last hope at pulling out a draw we ended the game about an hour after the argument had taken place. We all went out the front door for smokes, post battle assesments and to talk about the over all feel of the Planet Strike expansion. A couple minutes after we stepped out the other store employee poked his head out the door and said "You and I need to talk" to the manager. The manager said "Is it about <Name not mentioned>?" to which was answered "He wants to call the regional manager". The Manager chuckled and said "He's free to call her. I hope he calls her."

There was no further discussion between them that day. The OP hung out at the back of the store for a couple of hours then left. The manager went back into demo mode and ran two more games of Planet Strike. If any further communication has happened since, I don't know. It's not been talked about in the store while I was there since Saturday other than letting the manager know about this thread, which produced more laughs over the whole thing.

There was never a threat, there was no physical intimidation, there has NEVER been a racist discussion while I've been in the store, and every time politics comes up in conversation the manager's radar seems to go off and he appears in a puff of smoke to ask us not to talk politics in store. The OP not only argued a point that everybody else, bystanders to the battle included, thought was crazy, but he argued it with a passion that I still can't understand. He was agressive, unrelenting and antagonistic. The manager, while admittedly raising his voice in the argument and using the strangulation phrase in his frustration, showed more restraint than alot of people would have. Personally once the OP started yelling I would have stopped talking, and had plaza security remove him from the store, but that's just me. Prior to the OP's post here and even up to his second post here I really had no problem with him. He seemed to me to try a little hard to get people to recognize him, but other than that he was just another guy in the shop to me. The fact that I had to post the other side of the story because he only posted his side, skewed as it was, gave a defensive tone to my posts, but I have endeavored to present the situation as it occured. It's my belief that the Manager, for the most part, handled it well.

I didn't intend to post again in this thread but it seemed that further explination was required. I must restate my original desire that I wiss people would read the entirety of the thread before posting, the OP is very misleading.

Oh, and Frazzled... dude stop trying to draw people to the 290/hwy 6 store damn it! I need people to fight at Willowbrook for the Eye of Terror event this summer.


Edit: The Typo Cannon hits and wounds on a 1+, no saves or invulnerables.

Fair enough comments Tyras.

I'll leave the thread open (obviously other mods may close at their discretion) for any final comments.

I'm just saddened no one offered to settle this Rooster Cogburn style. Next thing you know people will be thinking Texans are...normal...
To correct that error before it grows:
Family photo: Frazzled as a baby:

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