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Typeline wrote:I agree that tattoos can be incredible pieces of art, but I've never seen a tattoo in real life that was a piece of art. I usually see tattoos on people making my subs at subway or getting turned down for jobs or told that registration is filled for their program of study because they didn't register properly. The tattoos they have are usually stupid stuff too, thuglife in illegible scripts, tribal bands, japanese characters on people's necks.

I've seen tattoos on television and the internet that I'd definitely consider artwork. But I'm still waiting to spot one IRL.

Peoples tattoos are a matter of their personal expresion,and while I'll agree with you that some of the work I've seen is gak,some is amazing.
Also,as I have said in several other threads,having tattoos does not lock you into a life of poverty,I'm coverd in ink,have multiple piercings and support my family very well and even have money left over to blow on guitars or even little plastic soilders.

Also,as I have said in several other threads,having tattoos does not lock you into a life of poverty,I'm coverd in ink,have multiple piercings and support my family very well and even have money left over to blow on guitars or even little plastic soilders.

Kids don't listen to this statement. There may be the occasional situation where this occurs but you will not see visible tattoos in pretty much any environment where you need to wear a tie.

if you're going to have tattoos you'd better have them where they can easily be covered.

Frazzled wrote:

Also,as I have said in several other threads,having tattoos does not lock you into a life of poverty,I'm coverd in ink,have multiple piercings and support my family very well and even have money left over to blow on guitars or even little plastic soilders.

Kids don't listen to this statement. There may be the occasional situation where this occurs but you will not see visible tattoos in pretty much any environment where you need to wear a tie.

if you're going to have tattoos you'd better have them where they can easily be covered.

I'll agree with you as well Frazz,if one is going into a "suit & tie "line of work then visable tats are almost always a no-no,my point however was that having tattoos does not lock you into a life of flipping burgers.

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OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:

Typeline wrote:and people with tattoos usually end up looking like trash anyway.

Says you. But, everyone has their own opinions.

Personally, I think that a really well done tattoo is like a piece of art. It speaks dramatically for the person who has it. Of course, I'm not into getting tattoos for the sake of getting them. They have to mean something to me.

You must not want to work in business, medicine, science, or engineering then. Unless its an old military tattoo, don't even bother coming in for the interview.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be covered in them like most tattoo artists are. I plan for a few on my back and shoulders. I was taught to keep my appearance clean and professional looking. That's exactly why, despite my wife begging me to, I have no facial piercings.

I understand what you are saying but I think you can have tattoos and still have a professional job.

OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:

Typeline wrote:and people with tattoos usually end up looking like trash anyway.

Says you. But, everyone has their own opinions.

Personally, I think that a really well done tattoo is like a piece of art. It speaks dramatically for the person who has it. Of course, I'm not into getting tattoos for the sake of getting them. They have to mean something to me.

You must not want to work in business, medicine, science, or engineering then. Unless its an old military tattoo, don't even bother coming in for the interview.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be covered in them like most tattoo artists are. I plan for a few on my back and shoulders. I was taught to keep my appearance clean and professional looking. That's exactly why, despite my wife begging me to, I have no facial piercings.

I understand what you are saying but I think you can have tattoos and still have a professional job.

Exactly,not only am I covered in ink and make good money,but my younger brother also has a TON of tattoos and he's an RN,although 90% of his tattoos are easy to hide.

It sounds like your tats aren't visible. Thats fine then, ink away.

Frazzled wrote:You must not want to work in business, medicine, science, or engineering then. Unless its an old military tattoo, don't even bother coming in for the interview.

Ah, Frazz... You're showing your inexperience, buddy. The idea that having a tattoo will reduce or eliminate your chances for a job are anitquated and suppositional, at best.

I've got a half dozen and they've NEVER gotten in my way... and I work for a bank (very few industries are more conservative).
Since having tattoos, I've worked as a restaurant manager and for two banks in varying positions, including customer facing positions as well as management. The worst I ever experienced was having to cover the actual tattoo with a bangdage while in rest. mgmt one night when the AC went out & I wanted to roll up my sleeves.

LOL The customers thought it was a burn and, when I told them what it was, they ALL told me they'd rather see the tattoo than the bandage.
...but I digress...

It's not about having tattoos, it's about placement.

I was smart enough that all my tattoos are in places where I can choose when to show them (forearms and shins). The rest of them will be, too.
There are people in all of those fields you mentioned with ink. Some probably wear them openly. In fact, the trend in the last decade or more is to be more lenient with people in positions that require a higher degree of education than others. Ink is gaining acceptance far more rapidly than in previous decades (say, pre-90's).

Being in tech-support now, and no longer in the public eye, I'm allowed to wear shirts that expose my tattoos. Some areas of business are more lenient, even in the land of conservatism where I currently work.

Eric


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Frazzled wrote:Kids don't listen to this statement. There may be the occasional situation where this occurs but you will not see visible tattoos in pretty much any environment where you need to wear a tie.

Kids, don't listen to Frazz on this one. He's wrong.

Frazzled wrote:if you're going to have tattoos you'd better have them where they can easily be covered.

'Cept about that.
That's GOOD advice.


Eric


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Frazzled wrote:It sounds like your tats aren't visible. Thats fine then, ink away.

While it's a matter of choice that I do so (keep 'em hidden), I reiterate my point about visible tattoos.
They're not the stigma they once were.

Even in conservative-Virginia, they weren't a hindrance. In fact, the hiring manager and I had a nice long conversation about tattoos and what we each had.

Eric

It's true that they aren't the stigma they once were, however there are places where you might run into trouble.

If you're going to have them, having them in easily covered places is probably still the best policy.

In the corporate world, visible tattoos would get you laughed at. Its not acceptable to besporting visible ink when meeting with the CEO of a multibillion dollar corporation, so sorry.

Frazzled wrote:In the corporate world, visible tattoos would get you laughed at. Its not acceptable to besporting visible ink when meeting with the CEO of a multibillion dollar corporation, so sorry.

If you were meeting the CEO of a multibillion dollar corporation, wouldn't you be wearing a suit? That covers pretty much all tattoos except on the face, neck, and hands.

It's not about having tattoos, it's about placement.

And subject matter. That's pretty vital.

My tats are all "hidden" from everyday sight especially if I'm suited and booted. If yours aren't then I'm assuming you don't have anything especially offensive inked on you... can't see many banks hiring anyone with *checks page number.. too early for Godwin. damn.* ..with....WHITE POWER emblazoned across their eek.

You have to consider what other people are going to see and interpret as well. One of the chefs at work got a tattoo of his son's name done when his marriage ended and the kid moved in with his mum. To him, having the name "Craig" in a heart on his chest was showing his love for his son.... but he got no end of (good natured) leg pulling and comments about that when it was noticed at work.

Hordini wrote:

Frazzled wrote:In the corporate world, visible tattoos would get you laughed at. Its not acceptable to besporting visible ink when meeting with the CEO of a multibillion dollar corporation, so sorry.

If you were meeting the CEO of a multibillion dollar corporation, wouldn't you be wearing a suit? That covers pretty much all tattoos except on the face, neck, and hands.

Not always but often. But thats my point. No visible tats. If its under the collar/should then you can tat away.

whenever i start getting some, they'll all be in places i can easily cover, not just for job hunting and the like, but so i can avoid trouble with the little old church lady members of my overly large and spread about family

No offense to anyone to anyone who has them but, tattoos look trashy. Just my opinion. And for the record when employers are considering people for a job visible tattoos during the interview almost always = not hired. Same goes for outrageous piercings or gages.

If there was technology that could alter any part of my body I would have it be something that would have no outward signs.

What I would want:
Admantium skeleton, or some other kind of unbreakable bones (No more rugby injuries)
Regenerative flesh

Drooling is also right out.

If you're going into an office or business setting, wearing a short sleeve shirt is a no-no to begin with. Short sleeve shirt screams "Casual Friday? Hell, I'm casual everyday". Tattoos shouldn't be any sort of issue if covered up. It seems that half of the people I work with have a tattoo of some sort.

Actually in the South, short sleeved shirts are often quite acceptable, especially during the summer months. When its 105, wearing a suit can kill you.

I'm not counting the south as part of the civilized states. We're still trying to tame that country

Good luck with that Yankee boyyyy!!!!

We won once! We can win it again!

Tattoo's for me are personal, I have a couple I'd like to have done once I get the chance for lost ones, but they'd be in places I could cover easily.

Although I have no issue with those who go for coverage, seen some really nice ones. Although I draw the line at piercings, most of those kinda freak me out. Even iif I don't show it, especially the bolts/circlets in ears kinda ones.



Going back to my original question about the body alteration thing, do folks think its where we are headed, and what would be the effect on society if it does.

I could see it happening, taking one group as an example, I seriously could see hardcore Klingon fans (The ones who speak the language, dress up often) taking the option to actually be Klingons in look. Some fantasy fans the same, but how would greater society react.

Poorly I'd imagine, not sure what sort of looks the Tiger fella gets, but I doubt its 'awesome' from many when he goes shopping at the local store.

youngblood wrote:We won once! We can win it again!

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Thinking more along the lines of cybernetic enhanceements. Look at how many people walk around with bluetooth, get lasik, get plastic surgery. Look at the horror of Michael Jackson. Designer babies, steroids. Hearign aids. Organ transplants and artificial replacements. We're already doing it.

Yeah, I'm thinking on the path we are heading as a species, how far is too far.

I am partially joking about the looking like an elf thing, but at the same time, given time It may not be a joke.

A little scary when you think about it.

Kilkrazy wrote:I've started to see young guys in my office with Inca style 'orejone' ear plugs. Lip plugs have got to be next, and maybe those long hoop neck things.

Of course I think it's all nonsense, but that's only because I am middle-aged and middle-class. No doubt people will do all kinds of things once the technology is available.

I wouldn't do something just because of fashion, but I would certainly get my eyes fixed up and useful things like that if I could.

Don't worry you old fart who probably votes Tory!

I'm a young(ish) confirmed Goth highly active in his local alternative scene, and unlike many people I know, I find the concept of giving someone £50 and demanding they ram a bit of metal through a fleshy part of my body utterly ludicrous.

Tattoos I get, if done for the right reason (an artistic expression etc, and not just arse antlers because Celeb 'X' has got them) and although my skin is uncut, I am just looking for the right person to draw my design for me.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

A little scary when you think about it.

Scary? Elf Chicks are Hawt!

Just a shame Liv Tyler looks like the back end of a bus really.

She always looks like she's in the middle of besmirching her undies.

I would say Mr. KIllkrazy is more a horlicks and sandals lib dem actually.

It's tragic but he's one Guardian article away from becoming a vegan !



MDG : I'm afraid you need to realign yourself to your current lifestyle. You are a cabbie. You are one fare away from buying the Scum "newspaper" and wearing cardiagns. We'll miss and mourn you though.

If anything was possible :

Elephant man head.
3rd arm.

Full gender reversal.

Only for like a week or so, but just to try it.

I've always thought I'd make a great lesbian.

I just want the power to make everyone else do what I say. Is that too much too ask?

Frazzled wrote:

OverbossGhurzubMoga wrote:

Typeline wrote:and people with tattoos usually end up looking like trash anyway.

Says you. But, everyone has their own opinions.

Personally, I think that a really well done tattoo is like a piece of art. It speaks dramatically for the person who has it. Of course, I'm not into getting tattoos for the sake of getting them. They have to mean something to me.

You must not want to work in business, medicine, science, or engineering then. Unless its an old military tattoo, don't even bother coming in for the interview.

You should take medicine off of that list. As long as it can be covered up they really don't care. There are so many jobs in the medical field that they are hard up for, they really cant look at that stuff and say no anymore.

But other than that, I got 4 Tattoos planned out. I just need to get them drawn up and find a place that I can take them to and feel comfortable with what the end product will look like. Its my body, I'm not gonna let just anybody draw on it.

Frazzled wrote:

Scary? Elf Chicks are Hawt!

Nothing wrong with Elves, especially if that skin colouration comes in and we get sexy Drow girls.


I was refering more to the Klingon Outpost on an island somewhere, and the Orcs and Dwarves walking around.