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Hmm... yeah, that's not bad for slaaneshi. A little light weight though, her tongue didn't turn into a phallus nor impale the guy's heart like a bug on a dart.

Now, if they were tentacle beasts from the waist down and had some manner of eyes instead of nipples, then, yes, that would have totally nailed it.


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I still think the old metal daemonettes did the job just fine. Pity they're so expensive on eBay now that they may as well have been made of gold.

Who sculpted those? Fitzpatrick? Whoever it was is clearly a fan of ladies' backsides.

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Blue Orphen wrote:Well, there are still people who think that Slaanesh is the god of BOOBIES AND PRON!!!...but they aren't even close to correct.
Slaanesh's domain is desire.

   
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I actually bought 2 of these a few years ago for my Chaos army , but its so disturbing i threw them in the garbage the next day.

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Disturbing? Very. Sexy? Negative.

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Nurglitch wrote:Not really.
Yeah really.

   
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No, not really.

Slaanesh is pride (Vainglory), temptation (Avidity), greed (Gluttony), lust (Carnality), power (Paramountcy), and sloth (Indolency), and lies (pp.11-12, The Realm of Chao, Codex: Chaos Daemons).

The only relation Slaanesh has to desire is its perversion. The characteristic of the Eldar Fall wasn't the wild hedonism inherent in the Eldar nature, but the fact that it was driven to extremes, warping and debasing it. It was this debasement and degradation found by more and more extreme measures employed to sate desire, rather than the desire itself, that brought about the birth of Slaanesh.
   
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I see what you mean inasmuch as merely experiencing desire is not a moral fault of itself--rather in the same sense that violence could be considered amoral of itself. And yet Khorne is the "god" of violence. In this same manner, Slaanesh is the "god/dess" of desire. Whether it be the desire for food or wine or drugs or sex or power . . . and the desire need not be inordinate for Slaanesh to begin his/her work.

   
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I still say Daemonettes should look more like succubi.

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Nurglitch wrote:No, not really.

Slaanesh is pride (Vainglory), temptation (Avidity), greed (Gluttony), lust (Carnality), power (Paramountcy), and sloth (Indolency), and lies (pp.11-12, The Realm of Chaos, Codex: Chaos Daemons).

The only relation Slaanesh has to desire is its perversion.


Or the fact that you listed three attributes to desire - temptation, greed and lust.

Are you just trying to make an argument to be the one disagreeing here? Do you like interjecting your opinion just because it's contrary?

Greed is synonymous with "TO WANT".

Avarice is synonymous with "TO WANT".

Lust is definitely and probably, most recognizably synonymous with the concept of desire.

Look homeboy, Slaanesh governs the "Seven deadly sins" and is clearly a fictional analogue for the concept of Lucifer. There is nothing original about him that wasn't ripped from Satan besides his Boob Daemons. Excess is a vice, like desire and go hand in hand.

If desire was checked, there would be no excess. Since excess ran rampant in the Eldar community a billion years ago, obviously desire was left unchecked.

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Defiler:

Temptation, greed, and lust are all disordered desire.

From the standpoint of the Nichomachean or virtue ethics, you can think of desire as being the virtuous mean between both its absence and its excess, much like courage is the mid-point between cowardice and foolhardiness.

To want is not to be greedy. To want excessively is to be greedy. Likewise avarice is not mere want, but insatiable greed for riches; inordinate, miserly desire to gain and hoard wealth. Lust is uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite.

Notice all these properties of Slaanesh have a narrower scope than simple, all-encompassing "desire" or "want". To put it another way, a red truck is still a truck, but as the kids might say after the fashion of the "predicate object is predicate" meme: red truck is red. Disordered desire is disorder.

If greed is to want excessively, and avarice is to want insatiably, and lust is to want uncontrollably, then the proper inference to make about what these properties have in common is not that they're all about desire or want, because they are not about all kinds of desire or want, but a subset.

The colour-text about the gardens of Slaanesh emphasizes this notion of desire being perverted. If someone gives into the overwhelming temptation, or avarice, or greed, it becomes their undoing. It desire was merely the case, then the gardens of Slaanesh wouldn't be a terrible place; there would be good desire and bad desire, proper desire and disordered desire. But there isn't, there's perversion and debasement, the warping of means as well as ends and desires.

Daemonettes are a facet of this notion of Slaanesh that the authors of Codex: Chaos Daemons are trying to get across: their glamours and enticements mislead and misdirect, all the while hiding the Daemonette's hideous nature from its victim. That misdirection with the nasty twist at the end has far more to do with the nature of Slaanesh as described in the background materials than mere "desire".

If you're going to portray Daemonettes as desirable, sure, why not? That's how they portray themselves because it's their nature to dash hope and dreams. To suppose that's their nature, however, is to ignore what GW's been saying about them for 25 years.

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Actually, the reason that the gardens have no 'good' desires in them is that this is GRIMDARK. The idea of 'good' has been banished from the universe which has been painted in shades of turd.

Remember, the universe is being run by a perversion of Righteousness (the Emperor) the perversion of Honor (Khorne) Perversion of Hope (Tzeench) the perversion of the desire to live (Nurgle), the perversion of Love (Slaanesh), the perversion of the Natural Order (the Hive Mind), the perversion of aggression (Gork and Mork), ther perversion of Death (Necrons) and the tau, who GW hav't made up their minds about yet, but have strong communist leanings.

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As I said before, Nurglitch, I see your point: desire isn't enough; rather it must be perversion. I agree that what has been published by GW certainly supports that. But, as BI just pointed out concerning GrimDark™, equating the Chaos Gods with evil has more to do with marketing than anything else. Maybe the word "desire" is leading us astray. If so, let's try the word "concupiscence" in the Catholic understanding (i.e., as distinct from sin).

It may also clarify to say that the subject of the particular desire patronized by Slaanesh is Slaanesh him/herself. In this sense, I can see why you object to desire being overbroad: Slaanesh does not care that you desire. What is important is that Slaanesh desires.

Also on-topic, one of the few things I liked about Dragon Age:

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You want some good ones, go get some of those Reaper Warlord and mix and match the plastic Demonettes with them.

Darkspawn or the Overlords work great. cut off some arms, add some tenticlas from the mutation pack and go to town....

I remember the Clive Barker Spawn guys, saw one like 12 inches tall. He was pretty freakish.


Any word on any cenebite miniatures? Thought I saw a few of these guys a while ago, but I don't remember where.



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Nurglitch wrote:Defiler:

Temptation, greed, and lust are all disordered desire.

From the standpoint of the Nichomachean or virtue ethics, you can think of desire as being the virtuous mean between both its absence and its excess, much like courage is the mid-point between cowardice and foolhardiness.



I think I will turn my /troll off, just this once. I apologize about painting you with such an ignorant brush before, Nurglitch. I just so happen to massively disagree with your take on this issue.

To start with, I don't agree with what Aristotle has to say about ethics. Interesting read, and perspective but ultimately too subjective.

I was taking the stance of organized, stereotypical, christian - based ethics. I was under the assumption that (which Manchu pointed out for me) in the Grim dark future of 40k, you either follow the Emperor's wishes or you are summarily extinguished. The distorted ethics of 40k are very much extreme, and so one form of extreme can't really be labeled a middle ground amongst a sea of extremes.


To want is not to be greedy. To want excessively is to be greedy. Likewise avarice is not mere want, but insatiable greed for riches; inordinate, miserly desire to gain and hoard wealth. Lust is uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite.


That's up to personal interpretation. To want *anything*, to the Emperor is to be excessive. To feel *anything* (besides valor and hatred and justice etc obviously) to the Emperor is heresy. I don't get the impression your average Space Marine has any hobbies, fulfilling spiritual pursuits besides sitting in his room, polishing his bolter and waiting for his Sgt. to tell him to suit up and get in the Thunder-hawk. The average Space Marine doesn't have any personal freedom, he is a borderline mind-controlled soldier and he follows orders. Unless you're referring to his possible longing for bloodshed and destruction, I don't think they have the capacity to desire anything meaningful.

I'm not using the rest of the Imperium in this example because, as noted in the IG books, your average guardsman is in place to stall until the real heroes arrive. The life of anyone in the Imperium besides an Inquisitor, or Space Marine is meaningless and forfeit in most situations.

So under this assumption, "civilized" life in the universe has very few real, actualized personal freedoms to even being to develop concepts such as desire.


Notice all these properties of Slaanesh have a narrower scope than simple, all-encompassing "desire" or "want". To put it another way, a red truck is still a truck, but as the kids might say after the fashion of the "predicate object is predicate" meme: red truck is red. Disordered desire is disorder.


I don't disagree.


If greed is to want excessively, and avarice is to want insatiably, and lust is to want uncontrollably, then the proper inference to make about what these properties have in common is not that they're all about desire or want, because they are not about all kinds of desire or want, but a subset.


Based on my interpretation of the 40k universe, tone of the setting - and Manchu's words - I don't think they are a subset or an extreme variation of those emotions. I feel they are the baseline for those emotions.

The colour-text about the gardens of Slaanesh emphasizes this notion of desire being perverted. If someone gives into the overwhelming temptation, or avarice, or greed, it becomes their undoing. It desire was merely the case, then the gardens of Slaanesh wouldn't be a terrible place; there would be good desire and bad desire, proper desire and disordered desire. But there isn't, there's perversion and debasement, the warping of means as well as ends and desires.


Yes, I've read the Daemons of Chaos book, and I've owned the past three Chaos ones.


Daemonettes are a facet of this notion of Slaanesh that the authors of Codex: Chaos Daemons are trying to get across: their glamours and enticements mislead and misdirect, all the while hiding the Daemonette's hideous nature from its victim. That misdirection with the nasty twist at the end has far more to do with the nature of Slaanesh as described in the background materials than mere "desire".


Slaanesh, being the analogue for personal failings (or in the Christian world, doing anything that feels good) seems to sustain himself on corrupting subjects and followers. For Slaanesh, it's not about watching the guy eat himself to death, or listening to the tortured screams of his Daemonettes rending their victims apart, it's that moment when willpower is subverted.

It's simply a means to an end to entice with things that people normally want, and given the chance - would over-indulge in. I don't actually believe (personal opinion) Slaanesh controls his victims in anyway or even deceives them. He/she/it merely offers the subject what they want, and in very cliche and perverse terms, the Genie's wish always has a catch.

If you're going to portray Daemonettes as desirable, sure, why not? That's how they portray themselves because it's their nature to dash hope and dreams. To suppose that's their nature, however, is to ignore what GW's been saying about them for 25 years.


I guess that really does come down to how you view them. I think the Daemonettes, and the concept of their lord Slaanesh is about enticing - but never overtly manipulating and deceiving.

Maybe we're actually discussing the same concept here, homeboy?

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Shadowbrand wrote:I still say Daemonettes should look more like succubi.


Darkstalkers FTW!

   
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LunaHound wrote:I actually bought 2 of these a few years ago for my Chaos army , but its so disturbing i threw them in the garbage the next day.

Nurgle:


Tzeentch i guess


Slannesh:


Khorn

WHAT why did you throw away those beautiful tortured souls models HERESY!!!!!!
also can i have some money?
   
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Shadowbrand wrote:I still say Daemonettes should look more like succubi.


Darkstalkers FTW!


If daemonette's flew, I would totally start a Daemon army of succubi.


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Is that a beard????? It looks like they have platted beards!!
They look like people have had their scalp torn off and smashed in the head with a frying pan!!!!!

I like that guy with only arms though

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Yeah, Hellraiser.
More models here: http://resinkit.perso.neuf.fr/version_anglaise/galleries/Hellraiser/hellraisergallery.htm
What about using them for dark eldar (homunculi, warped or grotesques)?.

This one is great too:
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Can you please give us some info about the size?
Can you please send me your garbage next time?
They are worthy, how come you didn´t realize?
How come you thought they were not worth a dime?

Shadowbrand wrote:I still say Daemonettes should look more like succubi.


I think a Succubi is what you see when looking at a Daemonette (if he/she/it wants you to).

Nurglitch wrote: ... lots of great stuff...

I am going to search for your posts and make some kind of book out of them. Your insight of the background is amazing. A question however: Nurgle/Pestilence; Khorne/war. Slaanesh/Hunger?

Edit: didn´t read enough before posting.

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Old thread is old.

Thread necro is thread necro.

OTOH, that Jürgen Wagner cybernetic Daemonette is awesome.

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Ups

Didn´t realize it. Sorry

OTOH, another approach to the same problem (in eBay): http://cgi.ebay.es/FANTASY-CHAOS-5-DEVILLETES-PRO-PAINTED-/400163145001?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2b950529

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No worries. Your having added cool new content to the thread is the whole reason I didn't lock it.

Those "devilettes" are pretty nice. When I first started playing Slaanesh, I painted my Daemonettes (old Realm of Chaos original sculpts) vivid red head to toe, with black hair, to be reminiscent of the artist Coop's devil girls.

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Thanks.
I am starting demons (mostly Slaanesh) and need some bad girls. And there are many options. GW models, Hellraiser, Reaper, and many others.

Privateer Press: http://privateerpress.com/files/products/satyxis-raiders-unit.png

Helldorado (demons: sucubo):


Helldorado: (inmortals: litsu): http://creandootromundo.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/litsu1.jpg

This may become a Fiend: Helldorado: (inmortals: Naga): http://creandootromundo.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/kuan-lin_2.jpg

And there are Coop´s Devil too: http://www.coopstuff.com/products/category/coop_figures/
They are cool...perhaps not evil enough.

So many options! I am overwhelmed!

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The biggest thing is deciding on what tone you want to set, and what figures are going to look best beside whatever GW models you're using. Scale can be a big factor in that.

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The tone will be dark... Not as Wired Hellraiser but darker than average. Black, red and pink. I am using Rackham´s Ophidian as Fiends and I got a unit of GW new daemonettes. Need more troops.

Ah, I just found Reaper´s one.


And I almost forgot Rackham: they have awesome minis for everything. They have big, winged succubae. DP?


Succubae, Devilette, Daemonette, Naga, Lamia,... lots of them. It´s a hard tough decission, and that´s a good thing.

Thanks for your advise!

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