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Back OT.

It's human nature to want to be able to understand and explain everything around us, and death is a big part of this.

Science and philosophy will probably never be able to explain what happens to our consciousnesses when we die.

Religions have rules for entry into the afterlife that seem to be as badly written as a GW rulebook.

The best plan is: Don't worry about it.

If it's there great - Even if you're being used as a bucket by giant chipmonks in hell, you're still conscious right?

If there isn't an afterlife, what you gonna do about it?

generalgrog wrote:I don't think I said I was superior. However I do have a connection through the Supreme Being, God, through Jesus Christ. And as far as I'm concerned there is no may or, may not, about it. Only the truth that he was resurected and that I'm born again.

Until you experience God the way I have, he will only seem like a theory or a myth to you. I was once a staunch Dawkinesque atheist, like many gamers are now, but now I'm a born again believer.

That statement shouldn't offend you, but I know it will offend some.

GG

There was a certain level of implied superiority due to a supposed relationship with Jesus, that I felt. Sorry if it felt like I jumped you, wasn't trying to sound like that.

I'm usually pretty sensitive to this stuff really. Plenty of Christians haven't treated me very well in the past.

Typeline wrote: Plenty of Christians haven't treated me very well in the past.

I'm sorry to hear that typeline. But realize that not evryone that claims to be a Christian is really a Christian. But there are plenty enough people that claim one thing and act another, in the churches, that do a lot of harm.

GG

There a plenty of good people that are religous and they are plenty of good people that aren't.
Same goes for bad people.

Perhaps reincarnation is the answer? I don't think there is NOTHING after death. (For how can you describe oblivion?) The answer is that you must be the best you can in this life, and god-knows what is waiting for you in the next.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Perhaps reincarnation is the answer? I don't think there is NOTHING after death. (For how can you describe oblivion?) The answer is that you must be the best you can in this life, and god-knows what is waiting for you in the next.

That seems a very shallow reason to act as a moral person in life "If I don't be good God will spank my ass". It's a very childish line of thought. Even if God does exist, does anyone honestly think he will be so petty?

Falconlance wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

dogma wrote:Yep, Morality isn't the sole purview of religion. In fact, most of the thing that religion claims as sinful are pretty bad. A lack of faith does not constitute license to pillage.

Morality is a False Social Construct imposed by Religions to keep control.

According to dawkins, morality is an evolutionary survival mechanism.

You are both right imo. Because different times dictates different lvl of morale.

For example , back when people are born as slaves, die as slaves , they dont have the luxury of having a high moral
of not stealing an apple to keep themselves from starving. Thats also how i view religion , it was implemented in time of dire need.
When the world is beyond not fair , and chaotic in the eye of the weak. They would either find some form to hope to believe in , await some promise for salvation .
Or go insane .

Ok, well I'll just get this over with:

In my OPINION, people who believe in "Gods" and similar are mentally deficient.

There I said it. That is my view. Hate me for it, I don't care. I have never understood the Human need to try and make themselves better than animals, with "Morals" and "Religion", when we are not.

Well, I won't worry about it. If there's an afterlife, even a boring one, fine, I'll be happy and my soul will live on.

If not, I won't even know about it. Unconscious oblivion is better than nothing.

Isnt unconscious oblivion the same thing as nothing?

That is the most terrible fate of all, imo. At least in hell, you'd still exist. To be nothing is far scarier to me. Sometimes I wish I could trick myself into believing in an afterlife. It would make coping with losses in this life much easier.

No, because if you aren't conscious of anything around you, you can't possibly suffer.

Gwar! wrote:Ok, well I'll just get this over with:

In my OPINION, people who believe in "Gods" and similar are mentally deficient.

There I said it. That is my view. Hate me for it, I don't care. I have never understood the Human need to try and make themselves better than animals, with "Morals" and "Religion", when we are not.

America needs more people like you, Gwar.

So we can report them.

@Falcon: You say it is hard coping, just remember, you can go out, smoke pot, watch porn and do all these awesome things that they can't do!

Cheese Elemental wrote:No, because if you aren't conscious of anything around you, you can't possibly suffer.

Call me insane but an existance of misery is better than no existance at all, to me.


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Gwar! wrote:@Falcon: You say it is hard coping, just remember, you can go out, smoke pot, watch porn and do all these awesome things that they can't do!

Yeah dude but at the end of the day your buzz wears off and you remember.

How can you not see the logic here?

You can't be miserable if you're nonexistent.

Falconlance wrote:Yeah dude but at the end of the day your buzz wears off and you remember.

Only if you let the buzz stop :3

Cheese Elemental wrote:How can you not see the logic here?

You can't be miserable if you're nonexistent.

That is the logic. Nonexistance is WORSE than misery.

Only to those who are still existent.

This argument hurts my brain.

Gwar! wrote:

Falconlance wrote:Yeah dude but at the end of the day your buzz wears off and you remember.

Only if you let the buzz stop :3

Thats no respectable way to live. I dont need god's morals but I do certainly need my own dignity.

Falconlance wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Falconlance wrote:Yeah dude but at the end of the day your buzz wears off and you remember.

Only if you let the buzz stop :3

Thats no respectable way to live. I dont need god's morals but I do certainly need my own dignity.

The only respectable way to live is to live how you want to live it, not by some rules laid down by some Jewish Carpenter 2000 years ago.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Only to those who are still existent.

This argument hurts my brain.

What keeps you going, CheeseE? Why do you choose to continue living? I'm only curious.


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Gwar! wrote:

Falconlance wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Falconlance wrote:Yeah dude but at the end of the day your buzz wears off and you remember.

Only if you let the buzz stop :3

Thats no respectable way to live. I dont need god's morals but I do certainly need my own dignity.

The only respectable way to live is to live how you want to live it, not by some rules laid down by some Jewish Carpenter 2000 years ago.

Ill give you that one, sir.

Falconlance wrote:What keeps you going, CheeseE? Why do you choose to continue living? I'm only curious.

I can answer that one:
Mate Feed Kill Repeat.

That is what all Animals do, and Humans are no exception.

Gwar! wrote:

Falconlance wrote:What keeps you going, CheeseE? Why do you choose to continue living? I'm only curious.

I can answer that one:
Mate Feed Kill Repeat.

That is what all Animals do, and Humans are no exception.

Well I was more trying to get him to put his philosophy out on the table.

Falconlance wrote:
Well I was more trying to get him to put his philosophy out on the table.

Hmm , it would probably be easier this way:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/241475.page

followed by:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/241381.page

and then:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/243326.page

It gets sort of crazy :x

If Einstein believed in an afterlife, so do I.

It all comes down to faith, and that's something you'll have to develop yourself over the years.
My own quandry was why we were even created. I couldn't square an all wise and loving God who would create fallable beings that would end up in a fiery Hell for ages without end because they displeased him in some way. It especially made no sense to me in any way shape or form when, as a child, I was told the reason we were created was so God wouldn't be lonely.
It also made no sense to me that Jesus would proclaim "suffer the children to come unto me", yet unbaptized children were somehow barred from his presence.
Without getting into a lot of other things, I learned that we are literal children of God that lived with him in a pre-existance. We elected to come here to be tested and to return to him after the trials of this life are over. People that never had a chance to learn of him in this life get that chance after thay are dead, and children that die before reaching the age of accountability are immediatly saved. One of the big things I found is that there is no fiery Hell and everyone, except those very few who had perfect knowledge beyond doubt and sinned against it, will recieve a measure of glory.
I learned all this through studying things out and seeking knowledge from clergy, so I guess my point to you is to do the same. You'll find the answers you want if you're sincere in your search. I wish you good luck. It sounds like you're asking the right questions.

MasticatorDeelux wrote:If Einstein believed in an afterlife, so do I.

He also said:
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

And I agree

Gwar, you advocate enjoying yourself in this thread, regardless of religious dogma; what material benefit is it to you if they do so?

Orkeosaurus wrote:Gwar, you advocate enjoying yourself in this thread, regardless of religious dogma; what material benefit is it to you if they do so?

I don't understand the question. Are you asking why I care people believe in Rib Women etc etc? (not being snarky, serious Question).

If so, I don't. I really don't care. However, I will not just sit back. I'll let people know what I think. If they don't like it, well tough tits we aint in Iran so i can say pretty much what I want.

You aught to care. That kind of brainwashing is akin to child abuse. Assuming they were brought up on it. If an adult were to come upon that and accept it well... you cant help some people.