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And a legal document was produced. Even Frazzled agrees.

I think the whole thing is ridiculous I'm just trying to clarify what the argument some people are making specifically.

I think the military should have dropped the hammer again here. It is bad for morale on a lot of different levels and examples need to be made by command that they will not tolerate this kind of foolishness.

Unless the mother is American, 21 and has spent 5 of the last 10 years in America at his birth he does not qualify as native born.

A search on the net will show she attended college in 2 different places at the same time. The first she claimed was not on American soil, the second revised account has her in Chicago.

Should be interesting...

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NeedleOfInquiry wrote:A search on the net

Well now I'm convinced.

a shady at best legal document was produced.
it didnt have the correct seals or stamps on it to prove it was legal.
maybe they just forgot that day.

the biggest question and one that would put all of this to bed is why wont he just present the documents to the public for all to see?

this is not the first time this has come up.
there have been several lawsuits filed and all of them have been dismissed basically under the premise of hes the president now, get over it.

what an awesome job hes doing too...

And the document he produced did not have the information needed to answer the legal questions. It was the short newer form used by states which Hawaii was not so the other form has to be produced and was not.


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Ahtman wrote:

NeedleOfInquiry wrote:A search on the net

Well now I'm convinced.

LOL touche

Every one knows the guy is doing it to avoid movement orders


But it is fun to watch the President squirm....He was voted for by a great many combat troops to either pull us out of this war or escalate to win, he has done neither.

Ahtman wrote:The problem, as is often the case, is that they never defined 'Natural Born Citizen' in the Constitution.

Perhaps we should only count vaginal births, and exclude Caesarians?

You guys are forgetting the most important and scary thing about the whole birth cert issue. If Obama is proved to not have been born on american soil, we get this guy as our president.

OHHHHHHHHHHH THE HORORR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




GG

This is just silly.

Dreadwinter wrote:This is just silly.

QFT, now who wants a twinkie?

Frazzled wrote:

BrookM wrote:Well of course he's a legal Yankee, otherwise he couldn't be prez in the first place. The CIA, NSA and FBI may be movie villains but at least they do proper background checks. Amirite?


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Only reason that guy is calling that is because the prick doesn't want to go.

You're not getting it Brook. Thats the argument being made. If Obama is not a native born son, so the legal argument goes, he can't be President. As such his orders of deployment are null and void.

The argument has been floating around for a bit. Surprising that they didn't drop the hammer on him, but instead released him...

The soldier could at least admit he just doesn't like having a Darkie for a President.

Tossers.

Is there any investigation as such as to whether or not Obama is a 'Natural born citizen' at the moment? And if so, would it affect his legitimacy as president. If the answer is yes, then I completly understand where the guy is coming from.

I, for one, would not like to get caught in enemy territory without the protection of the Geneva Convention. That means the enemy can legally do anything to you...ANYTHIIIIIIING!

A bit like being incarcerating and torturing you in a Camp neatly positioned in a different country, whilst denying you basic human rights (as guaranteed by the Geneva Convention for Prisoners of War) or a trial (as is the right of Civilians) by labelling you with the bizarre monicker of 'Illegal Combatants'?

Yeah. That would be terrible, and exactly the sort of thing America has never encouraged.

I mean a country is legally allowed to tortue and execute you under the premonition that you are a spie or subversive enemy. Not an actual soldier.

Methink's there is a malfunctioning sarcasm detector in the above post......

Touching but most of the countries the US is fighting don't adhere to the Geneva Conventions.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

BrookM wrote:Well of course he's a legal Yankee, otherwise he couldn't be prez in the first place. The CIA, NSA and FBI may be movie villains but at least they do proper background checks. Amirite?


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Only reason that guy is calling that is because the prick doesn't want to go.

You're not getting it Brook. Thats the argument being made. If Obama is not a native born son, so the legal argument goes, he can't be President. As such his orders of deployment are null and void.

The argument has been floating around for a bit. Surprising that they didn't drop the hammer on him, but instead released him...

The soldier could at least admit he just doesn't like having a Darkie for a President.

Tossers.

Lets not toss the racism element in here for absolutely no reason.

Translation: shut up you! Dern fereners....

Emperors Faithful wrote:

I, for one, would not like to get caught in enemy territory without the protection of the Geneva Convention. That means the enemy can legally do anything to you...ANYTHIIIIIIING!

I don't think the Geneva convention means anything to the people we're fighting against in Afghanistan/similar anyway.

Realistically I think it has to be taken as it having been proved ( or agreed upon ) that he is a US citizen.

If, in some odd twist it turned out he wasn't, and this fact had somehow been totally glossed over, woudl the election have to be rerun or would Biden assume the office by default ? I'm assuming there's no literal precedent for this is there ?

.... an election costs how much, and the economy is doing what at the moment ? I'm guessing this isn't the Govt. led spending they quite meant.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A bit like being incarcerating and torturing you in a Camp neatly positioned in a different country, whilst denying you basic human rights (as guaranteed by the Geneva Convention for Prisoners of War) or a trial (as is the right of Civilians) by labelling you with the bizarre monicker of 'Illegal Combatants'?

Yeah. That would be terrible, and exactly the sort of thing America has never encouraged.

And now we've hit the US is Evil Tour. We made it to 44 posts this time before determining the US is evil and everyone else is as pure as the driven snow. Excellent.

Meanwhile the guys we're fightin just blew up a bunch of civies in two airports...


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reds8n wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

I, for one, would not like to get caught in enemy territory without the protection of the Geneva Convention. That means the enemy can legally do anything to you...ANYTHIIIIIIING!

I don't think the Geneva convention means anything to the people we're fighting against in Afghanistan/similar anyway.

Realistically I think it has to be taken as it having been proved ( or agreed upon ) that he is a US citizen.

If, in some odd twist it turned out he wasn't, and this fact had somehow been totally glossed over, woudl the election have to be rerun or would Biden assume the office by default ? I'm assuming there's no literal precedent for this is there ?

.... an election costs how much, and the economy is doing what at the moment ? I'm guessing this isn't the Govt. led spending they quite meant.

Thats a good question. Probably Biden (shudder)

What happened when Nixon was kicked out (stepped down,) I'd assume it'd be the same deal if it indeed came to such a thing.

When was the rule about being a natural born citizen invented?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:What happened when Nixon was kicked out (stepped down,) I'd assume it'd be the same deal if it indeed came to such a thing.

Impeaching a President is a bit different from discovering he wasn't eligable in the first place though isn't it ? I can't see how they could do anything other than hold new elections.....so that won't happen.

This is the same clause that means that Arnie could/can never become President right ?

Kilkrazy wrote:When was the rule about being a natural born citizen invented?

Back in the Day....Its in the Constitution itself. Now thats Old School!

Vice President Ford replaced and pardoned Nixon, and then immediately tripped stepping off the podium.
Edit: Redy your 100% spot on. They would have to change th constitution to get Ahnold elected.

Vote Frazzled in 2012. He'll make the trains run on time!

Indeed. Arnies accent is a bit too obvious.


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Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:When was the rule about being a natural born citizen invented?

Vote Frazzled in 2012. He'll make the trains run on time!

Oh hi Il Duce!

The rule for Native born has always been in the constitution.

If found ineligible the Vice President would assume office.

As for the Geneva Convention protections in all the years of war the Iraqis and Afgans have killed every single American soldier they have ever taken.

Some they kept alive until they found a good high quality video camera and a large sharp knife to cut the soldiers head off his body while he struggles.

I have no doubt there will be another video soon for the one they recently captured.

Never trust the nationals, the three Afgans that "walked him off the base" should be tracked down and given a free ride at 12k. They sold him to the Taliban.

And people wondor why soldiers are so bitter over this "war".

How many on this forum even knew we take prisoners and they do not?

I know.




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BrookM wrote:Indeed. Arnies accent is a bit too obvious.


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Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:When was the rule about being a natural born citizen invented?

Vote Frazzled in 2012. He'll make the trains run on time!

Oh hi Il Duce!

BrookM wrote:Touching but most of the countries the US is fighting don't adhere to the Geneva Conventions.

True, but it would be universally LEGAL to torue the guy. I understand why he might be concerned. Breaching the Geneva convention is by no means a little thing.

Also, let's not get into who follows the Geneva Convention and such. I know it means little today with America also torturing people, and meant even less during WW2, but the Geneva Convention cannot be ignored blatantly and repeatedly without reprecussion. Basically, without the Geneva Convention, it would be no holds barred and nukes would be flying everywhere. (How Ironic is the saying "All is fair in love and war" at this moment?)

Um, no. Nuclear war has nothing to do with the Geneva convention. the reason Russia didn't nuke the USA was because of the 15,000 warheads we have, and vice versa.

To your point though, Obama as President is not relevant to the Geneva Convention. Our soldiers would still fall under its protections.

I meant nukes among other methods of war, like just carpet bombing civilian sectors to hell. Tactical nuclear strikes are legal (I think) but just aiming at random civi cites of the enemy with one is not. (unless it can be maintained that there was a direct military threat or somesuch situated there).

Killing civis, with the objective of killing civis, is not legal.