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Wow, sounds like ignorant parents to me. You would think this hobby would be great for kids because of the imagination and reading it involves. The only thing I can see is all the daemons scaring the little ones.

Introduce her parents to the phrase 'H4wt Cyb0rz' and see if they wouldn't rather have her play 40k than computer games...

I would never let a child play an online game for all the tea in China

As my T-shirt says "Some people are only alive because it's illegal to shoot them."

some parents use GW stores as creches

Hyperbole much? 40k is an explicitly violent setting that isn't everyone's cup of tea. Forbidding their kids to play it won't deny them any "real world" experience.

Digganob wrote:Hyperbole much? 40k is an explicitly violent setting that isn't everyone's cup of tea. Forbidding their kids to play it won't deny them any "real world" experience.

It's all imaginary. Kids wouldn't be exposed to it firsthand.

It's no more harmful than them playing with toy guns.

Anything related to sex - 18+

Anything related to violence in video games - Teen to Mature rating which is from age 13 to 17.

Its funny that this day in age we find it "ok" for kids to experince mutilating someone else physically in a simulation. So is it true then that our generation sees sex as something worse than violence against another person?

40k is violent, but not so much at other games out there.

Digganob wrote:Hyperbole much? 40k is an explicitly violent setting that isn't everyone's cup of tea. Forbidding their kids to play it won't deny them any "real world" experience.

Yes it will. It denies them the opportunity to learn why personal hygiene is important. It denies them the opportunity to learn why exactly they want to get a job and move out, rather than live in their mother's basement until they turn 40.

I am a product of the video game era. I was playing every game out there from 8yrs old on up. I actually stopped playing vidoe games to make more time for 40K. Painting takes time. Is the world violent? Yes. Is 40K violent? Yes.

I think one of the other posters had it right for the parent to monitor what the child does. I have a daughter who is 2 and I let her play with my dice, sprue cutters and paint bottles. Do keep a constant watch over her to make sure she doesn't put her eye out or swallow something? Hell yes. I don't let her play with glue since the fumes are not good for her but I want her to experience things.

Some parents do use 40K stores as a crutch. They drop there bratty kid off for a couple hours to annoy the serious well behaved gamers. Fortunately the parents in our group don't do that and supervise what their kid does and who the interact with. That is good parenting IMO

AdeptArtificer wrote:I am a product of the video game era. I was playing every game out there from 8yrs old on up. I actually stopped playing vidoe games to make more time for 40K. Painting takes time. Is the world violent? Yes. Is 40K violent? Yes.

I think one of the other posters had it right for the parent to monitor what the child does. I have a daughter who is 2 and I let her play with my dice, sprue cutters and paint bottles. Do keep a constant watch over her to make sure she doesn't put her eye out or swallow something? Hell yes. I don't let her play with glue since the fumes are not good for her but I want her to experience things.

Some parents do use 40K stores as a crutch. They drop there bratty kid off for a couple hours to annoy the serious well behaved gamers. Fortunately the parents in our group don't do that and supervise what their kid does and who the interact with. That is good parenting IMO

My younger sister is only allowed at GW if I'm watching her even though she's 9, meanwhile some other parents drop off their 8 year old for the day at GW. My parents would never allow my sister to be there alone. It's not the staffs job to watch kids. It's like dropping your kid off at walmart for the day and expecting the staff to watch him/her.

Skarwael wrote:It's all imaginary. Kids wouldn't be exposed to it firsthand.

Even imaginary things can be deemed inappropriate. Different parents will judge the game differently, and not solely based on the fact that it is fictional.

It's no more harmful than them playing with toy guns.

And no more valuable. I don't see the big deal, nor the big loss.

I have family that sounds exactly like the one described in the OP's post. They're heavily Religious, and already try and tell me I'm going to hell for playing a game in which a half-dead guy is worshipped as a god. If I reply to this at all it's usually with "I'd have to believe in Heaven and Hell first" which usually shuts them up.

They also won't let their kids play it because they think it could corrupt their childrens' "good Christian values", and because playing a game where their kids command armies to kill eachother is too violent and is not something "God would approve of" (...Crusades, anyone?)

At the same time, these kids own video games like GTA: SA, CoD4, and the AvP RTS, not to mention they have movies like the Matrix Trilogy in their collection...

Erm... so 40K was doing what again?

metallifan wrote:I have family that sounds exactly like the one described in the OP's post. They're heavily Religious, and already try and tell me I'm going to hell for playing a game in which a half-dead guy is worshipped as a god. If I reply to this at all it's usually with "I'd have to believe in Heaven and Hell first" which usually shuts them up.

They also won't let their kids play it because they think it could corrupt their childrens' "good Christian values", and because playing a game where their kids command armies to kill eachother is too violent and is not something "God would approve of" (...Crusades, anyone?)

At the same time, these kids own video games like GTA: SA, CoD4, and the AvP RTS, not to mention they have movies like the Matrix Trilogy in their collection...

Erm... so 40K was doing what again?

Ya sorry I had meant to put this in the dakka discussion.

It's 40K related, so I don't see anything wrong with putting it here. What I meant by "40K was doing what again" was: "So... despite the fact that you let your kids play brainrot like Grand Theft Auto" and watch movies deemed 'anti-religious' when you're trying to teach your kids religious values, you won't let them play a miniatures game because it has guns and Catholic influences in the Imperial Religion?"

metallifan wrote:It's 40K related, so I don't see anything wrong with putting it here. What I meant by "40K was doing what again" was: "So... despite the fact that you let your kids play brainrot like Grand Theft Auto" and watch movies deemed 'anti-religious' when you're trying to teach your kids religious values, you won't let them play a miniatures game because it has guns and Catholic influences in the Imperial Religion?"

lol oh ok. But ya I know what you mean. I'm a religious jew and my parents know that it's just a game and a hobby and don't care if I play it. Even some of the other more religious people I know said that the mini's look cool




EDIT- Now if I started yelling BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS! or started praying to the emperor etc. all the time THEN they might have a problem with me playing 40k.

CT GAMER wrote:What her parents really meant was: "we don't want you hanging around with creepy fat dudes in their thirties who play with toys..."

I think CT Gamer got it right. Parents tell her "too violent" but they mean "we can watch you play video games".

How old was she? This isn't exactly a game for 12-year-olds. (P.S. I'm surprised a young girl would even be interested).
Also, you could have told her she didn't NEED to play, and that lots of people just collect and paint them however they like. Gaming isn't mandatory.

orkishlyorkish wrote:EDIT- Now if I started yelling BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS! or started praying to the emperor etc. all the time THEN they might have a problem with me playing 40k.

I've said grace to the Emperor once

Whats so bad about violence anyway?
Let the kid know what the real world is like.
Its all not about puppy dogs and kittens.
sometimes its about blowing them up.

Yeah.... my parent's really tried to raise me in the dark, but i came too and looked around me.

nuff bout me yeah what's with that you won't let you'r kids see two people making babies, yet.... you will let them watch a guy strangle another with intestines.

*shrug* what's the world coming too?

War is violent. The stories of war, fictional or not, are violent. With that being said, 40K is nowhere near as violent as some of the video games out there. That, and when does a video game spark even a fraction of the creativity that this hobby does? Besides the amazing paint jobs I've seen, I have seen phenominal conversions or sculpture taken from the imagination of a player and executed with a skill and craftsmanship that takes years to achieve, and that you will never find from the same time spent in front of a video game.

I'm a big fan of video games and violence in video games doesn't really bother me, because I can seperate reality from fantasy. The fact that people can point to one medium and claim it's bad due to the same violence found in another medium that is embraced is a little silly IMO.

There are people out there who think modern guns are too violent to be represented in toy form but who are happy to see toy knights armed with axes, knives and so forth. The sillier part is that more people die through road accidents than weapons and yet car related toys and games are considered acceptable.


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I just remembered this amusing fact about these parents who wouldn't let their son have anything to do with guns or other "violent" toys. One morning at breakfast the son bit enough out of his piece of toast to form an L shape; he then held the piece of toast like a pistol, pointed it at his mum and said bang. I'd loved to have seen the look on her face as she realised that her pc attempts at social engineering had failed.


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metallifan wrote:It's 40K related, so I don't see anything wrong with putting it here. What I meant by "40K was doing what again" was: "So... despite the fact that you let your kids play brainrot like Grand Theft Auto" and watch movies deemed 'anti-religious' when you're trying to teach your kids religious values, you won't let them play a miniatures game because it has guns and Catholic influences in the Imperial Religion?"

I still find it amazing that there are parents out there who wont let their kids have anything to do with Harry Potter because they think the stories promote witchcraft.

I have to deal with someone who is 17 and parents still shelterd by his parents. There is some serious long term damage there man. I mean hes to soft and cant assert himself. So i have to then assert for him. When you shelter you kid from violence and sex and the world in general for to long they can end up real screwed up.
I wish i had the words and the time to show how messed up how screwed up he is.

You should suggest he does marital arts of some description.

Lanceradvanced wrote:And of course, there are absolutly no video games out there that somehow manage not to have violence in them... *goes back to bejeweled*

Fix'd

Love your Avatar btw

garret wrote:I have to deal with someone who is 17 and parents still shelterd by his parents. There is some serious long term damage there man. I mean hes to soft and cant assert himself. So i have to then assert for him. When you shelter you kid from violence and sex and the world in general for to long they can end up real screwed up.
I wish i had the words and the time to show how messed up how screwed up he is.

QFT. I used to have a friend that became a hardcore stalker after he found out this chick didn't like him. Why? Because he was sheltered and used to getting everything he wanted handed to him by his 'rents. We almost called the cops on the guy after he climbed into her living room window at midnight. But my buddy took da' Orky road and decided to beat the hell out of him instead

Moral of the story: DON'T SHELTER YOUR DAMN KIDS!

Billie_Joe wrote:I do recall reading a story either in the old Tau or Eldar codex about a group of rangers who get ambushed by a squad of Kroot. Anyone remember that? The last paragraph is about the reanger's last sight was the kroot shaper pulling her heart out of her chest and eating it. That story scarred me as much and M&M's song "stan" did (when I was in 6th grade)

I remember something along those lines. It's more likely the Tau codex than Eldar, but i'm not sure if it's in the old one or the new one.

Tyras wrote:That, and when does a video game spark even a fraction of the creativity that this hobby does?

Little Big World, Spore, Second Life, and my personal favorite... Visual Pinball (http://www.lanceradvanced.com/Gaming/vp.html)

Besides the amazing paint jobs I've seen, I have seen phenominal conversions or sculpture taken from the imagination of a player and executed with a skill and craftsmanship that takes years to achieve

Which I've also seen at IPMS/Garage Kit shows...

Fix'd

But I don't actually have that one...

How about Bella Sara?

Ridcully wrote:

Billie_Joe wrote:I do recall reading a story either in the old Tau or Eldar codex about a group of rangers who get ambushed by a squad of Kroot. Anyone remember that? The last paragraph is about the reanger's last sight was the kroot shaper pulling her heart out of her chest and eating it. That story scarred me as much and M&M's song "stan" did (when I was in 6th grade)

I remember something along those lines. It's more likely the Tau codex than Eldar, but i'm not sure if it's in the old one or the new one.

I also remember it. IIRC I believe it's the last story in the old codex.

TaintedSoul wrote:Wow, sounds like ignorant parents to me. You would think this hobby would be great for kids because of the imagination and reading it involves. The only thing I can see is all the daemons scaring the little ones.

Don't forget all the math that gets kids to buy that new IG army .

I would agree that WH40k is a great game for kids, perhaps 10+ though. There is a lot of math if you want to play smart, and most tactics involve a bit of strategical knowledge (a bit... wars are simply not won in inches).

After thinking about it I would say that in general war-gaming is a fantastic alternative to video games. Video games are fun, and when enjoyed in moderation have absolutely no negative effect on your average kid, besides they have age restrictions on some video games. Personally I think most people (yes kids are people too) can handle the more subtle nuances of the game, nothing wrong with gore objective markers, they are made of plastic and paint right?

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CT GAMER wrote:What her parents really meant was: "we don't want you hanging around with creepy fat dudes in their thirties who play with toys..."

I think CT Gamer got it right. Parents tell her "too violent" but they mean "we can watch you play video games".

How old was she? This isn't exactly a game for 12-year-olds. (P.S. I'm surprised a young girl would even be interested).
Also, you could have told her she didn't NEED to play, and that lots of people just collect and paint them however they like. Gaming isn't mandatory.

I think you've got it a bit wrong. It was the store employee talking to her. Me and some other people painting overheard since they were about 3 feet away from the painting table.

WTF?!? There are 6-year olds who play CoD 5, one of the most violent games ever, and yet parents say that 40k is violent? Ok, I admit that the theme of humanity struggling in a hostile universe is sort of more mature and not the kind of fruity everyone loves everyone and the fairies give magical toys out, but you can see it in the park!!!! It's like on the discovery channel. You know when the the ant colony is invaded by fire ants and a long struggle begins? It is the same concept. The ants are humanity and the fire ants are the xenos threat. When will parents learn?