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Warhammer is a great game and is a little violent but avrething is .

deadratman wrote: You know when the the ant colony is invaded by fire ants and a long struggle begins? It is the same concept. The ants are humanity and the fire ants are the xenos threat. When will parents learn?

Hey! I for one am a fan of tau and eldar. The tau started out peaceful and the humans attacked them so I think you have it backwards.

no, the tau incited human worlds to revolt and then annexed them. The Damocles crusade was the Imperiums retribution.

Emperors Faithful wrote:no, the tau incited human worlds to revolt and then annexed them. The Damocles crusade was the Imperiums retribution.

Exactly. If it weren't for the IG stubbornness, humanity would be with the greater good although the whole greater good thing is kind of confusing about how they worship it...

...yeah, Everyone wants to be a space commie. Humanity has learnt from the past that trusting xenos gets you enslaved. Be honest mate, it's "The Greater Good...for Tau/Fishfaces"

To be fair to the parents. The fluff of the game is VIOLENT. This is a WAR game. It depicts daemons and burning heretics. As a game, it is no more violent then chess. However it is simulated war. Half the fun is in the imagining the scene as it takes place. No different then playing with GI Joe or transformers. However I do respect a parents decision not to allow their kids access to war toys of any nature. I would not empose this restrictions on my own kids, when I have them, but I do respect their decision. However if it was a choice between GI Joe and 40k I would let them do 40k in a heart beat. Reason...its creative (Painting, modeling and the like), teaches tactics, encourages social behavior (more or less), requires thought and planning and the like and is competitive in nature.

Moderation in all things. I played football, track, wrestling and basketball. Was also in theatre and played D&D. Did all these things till I finished collage. Parents can moderate what their kids do, but at the end of the day they are going to do what they want anyway. Best they can do is allow lots of options and gently knudge in one direction. Like buy 5 used marines a month but get brand new base ball bat and glove and take the kid to a base ball game. If after that they still wanna play...show some interest and see if it really is that bad. Hell my D&D stuff was old and beat up. But my kleats were always shiny and new. It worked on me looking back. But in the end I just did both but got to try lots of stuff.

Just what I would do...Sure not many would agree with that.

Its not the violence , just a parent's convenient excuse for not wanting to spend so much $

@Sha1emade: Yeah, spot on there. Qoute for Fething Truth.

@LunaHound: Mabye a bit of both? But it is true that 40k, while more creative, is definitley more expensive than video games. We don't know what the motivation of THESE parent where though.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Sha1emade: Yeah, spot on there. Qoute for Fething Truth.

@LunaHound: Mabye a bit of both? But it is true that 40k, while more creative, is definitley more expensive than video games. We don't know what the motivation of THESE parent where though.

Yup. All that we can do is imagine what their reasons might have been.

Probably cash.
(By the Immortal words of the ONLY wothwhile lines from Twilight)
"Sex.
Money.
Sex.
Money.
Cat."

cadbren wrote:There are people out there who think modern guns are too violent to be represented in toy form but who are happy to see toy knights armed with axes, knives and so forth. The sillier part is that more people die through road accidents than weapons and yet car related toys and games are considered acceptable.


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I just remembered this amusing fact about these parents who wouldn't let their son have anything to do with guns or other "violent" toys. One morning at breakfast the son bit enough out of his piece of toast to form an L shape; he then held the piece of toast like a pistol, pointed it at his mum and said bang. I'd loved to have seen the look on her face as she realised that her pc attempts at social engineering had failed.


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metallifan wrote:It's 40K related, so I don't see anything wrong with putting it here. What I meant by "40K was doing what again" was: "So... despite the fact that you let your kids play brainrot like Grand Theft Auto" and watch movies deemed 'anti-religious' when you're trying to teach your kids religious values, you won't let them play a miniatures game because it has guns and Catholic influences in the Imperial Religion?"

I still find it amazing that there are parents out there who wont let their kids have anything to do with Harry Potter because they think the stories promote witchcraft.

For me there is no dark witchcraft.

its the people who use it for dark you have to keep an eye out for.

hmmm, I would be thinking about whether or not THERE IS Witchcraft at all. But if there was, THEn it would depend on what you use it for. It is the person, not the power.

40k is violent.. the subject matter is war.

Children should stick to bullying each other, fighting and stealing.. Traditional children activities.

Says Starscream...

Who gets picked on by Megatron.

GO STARSCREAM.

There are 6-year olds who play CoD 5, one of the most violent games ever, and yet parents say that 40k is violent?

See, this is the thing that bothers me about this whole thread, yeah there are lots of violent video games out there,-but we don't know if that's what the kid is playing-, sure it'd be a monumental case of hypocrisy if the kid was, and it may not be the smartest move to keep a kid sheltered, but the simple fact is some parents can and do keep their kids away from such things regardless of media..

cadbren wrote:There are people out there who think modern guns are too violent to be represented in toy form but who are happy to see toy knights armed with axes, knives and so forth. The sillier part is that more people die through road accidents than weapons and yet car related toys and games are considered acceptable.

I understand what you're saying regarding guns. Weapons are weapons. But your last point is odd. It's because a car is a tool intended for travel, and not a tool for intended for killing others. Are you actually saying you don't recognize the difference?

metallifan wrote:They also won't let their kids play it because they think it could corrupt their childrens' "good Christian values", and because playing a game where their kids command armies to kill eachother is too violent and is not something "God would approve of" (...Crusades, anyone?)

At the same time, these kids own video games like GTA: SA, CoD4, and the AvP RTS, not to mention they have movies like the Matrix Trilogy in their collection...

Note that doesn't make a case against limiting what children are exposed to. That just means your relatives are clueless, hypocritical parents.

deadratman wrote:WTF?!? There are 6-year olds who play CoD 5, one of the most violent games ever, and yet parents say that 40k is violent?

Six year olds shouldn't being playing CoD either.

One of the biggest fallacies going in this thread is the implication that not allowing young children to play violent/adult games somehow shelters them from the real world. It doesn't. There's no connection.

How you make sure your children aren't sheltered is more about teaching them how make decisions, stand on their own, accept responsibility for their actions, etc. Children have been engaging in pretend violence, etc. with their play probably since the dawn of mankind. But that doesn't mean you should expose them to any amount of realistic violence regardless of age. Things have their place and time. You allow them things/expose them to stuff when you feel they're mature enough to understand and handle it.

I get the sense that many of you aren't that far removed from childhood, and you're still in touch with the childhood notion of parents keeping you down. When you're older and a parent, you'll see how parenting is far more complicated than you realize.

metallifan wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:EDIT- Now if I started yelling BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS! or started praying to the emperor etc. all the time THEN they might have a problem with me playing 40k.

I've said grace to the Emperor once

I pray to Slaanesh every time i throw my dice. I'm beginning to think there is no Slaanesh...

Did someone say Second Life? That is one massive exposure to the true nature of humanity. You are given an infinite world where you can do whatever you want and be whatever you want at any time. As soon as I got done with the tutorial, I flew 20 feet and ran into a forest of sex shops.

Also, Gorgon is on point.

What her parents really meant was: "we don't want you hanging around with creepy fat dudes in their thirties who play with toys..."

The above is QFT and probably the most on the money comment I've read in the 3 pages.


I'd love to get the # of posters on this thread that are parents. Having a parent and being a parent are far apart.

I have a good friend that says there are 3 things you can't claim knowledge or comment on until you actually have experience in the field.

1) having sex
2) being married
3) having kids

There are a lot of tough choices to be made as a parent. It is tough to know when and how you make the right ones for your kids (when they are young). Tough to know how to guide them in their decisions (when they get older) and when you allow them to make their own decisions (and mistakes). Me... I'll cross that bridge with the kids when I get there.

Yes.... 40K is violent. It is in a violent setting. It has very mature themes. The pictures in the books are adult in nature even especially some of the chaos stuff. More or less then video games? meh... actually it depends on the game.

Regardless... it doesn't mean that my kids won't get introduced to these things at the proper time and place. Until then..... we will work on our painting skills... How violent can the pink ones be any how?

I'm reminded of a favourite childhood book of mine called "Trouble for Trumpets" about these cute little miniature hippos called Trumpets that are at war with similarly cute but mean miniature hippos called Grumpets.

The difference being that the Grumpets are nasty violent arctic creatures and Trumpets guns tend to shoot flowers and whatnot. Someone should definitely buy up the property and produce a wargame for it.

On Amazon.

But back on topic, aren't the pink ones in 40k the most sadistic and depraved ones? Unless they're His Immortal Majesty's Pinkerton Legion (IX), tasked with the unending task of the gardening and interior decorating of the Imperial Palace.

Edit: Like the instrument, not the breakfast...

Wait, who are the Crumpets? Are they the same as the Trumpets?

Nurglitch you must make models and a ruleset immidately
i would play it

@jgemrich: Awwwww, thats sho CUUUUUTE!

I wonder what chapter that termy is in

Maybe hawk lords?

While I am not a parent if I was I would let my kids play 40k as an example take me I'm 14 the only cert that I have not played is 18 and grand theft auto and although my parents didnt know about it I was playing halo at 10 and playing 40k has taught me how to get on in life
(I'm home schooled and didnt learn much of it in the 3 or so years I was in school) oh and forgot to mention while I'm not so miffed about flies I won't hurt anything else for example the only game I refuse to play is big buck hunter where you go out and shoot animals but I will shoot humans, aliens, zombies (in video games) I refuse outright to shoot animals

When we got GorkaMorka in the storeI was working in we had to get the kids to yell out "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!"

Damn I hate that. It was the worst part of going to Grand Tournaments, aside from the occasional B.O.