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Yeah, they just keep telling themsleves that since they're paying less for it, it's okay to spend more.

Than they throw out all but 5 of the cards they got from their boxes because it isn't used in the hot deck of the minute.

It is because we SHOULD be charged extra to assemble and paint our own armies... what? That doesn't make sense to you?

RxGhost wrote:Yeah, they just keep telling themsleves that since they're paying less for it, it's okay to spend more.

Than they throw out all but 5 of the cards they got from their boxes because it isn't used in the hot deck of the minute.

Only chumps do that.

Protip: Don't buy boosters, only singles. Save money in the long run.

Yeah, cause that's what these hobbies are all about...saving money. lol

And yes Wrex, I am comfortable paying extra to not buy a 'painted' miniature that some worker/robot has crapped on.

Oh sure, they have paint on them, but I assure you sir that they are not 'painted'.

RxGhost wrote:
Oh sure, they have paint on them, but I assure you sir that they are not 'painted'.

Have you ever seen AT-43 ? or dis assemble them?

Im pretty sure they are painted.

I'm pretty sure they have paint on them, yes.

It's cheaper than golf.

darkprincewilson wrote:It's cheaper than golf.

Doesnt the production cost, engineering cost , material cost play a role ?

A nice paintball gun is a work of art, and many are assembled by hand. The same goes for a nice guitar, or set of golf clubs, the labor intensive and "special" ways in which they are made factors greatly into their ongoing prices.

The prices of these expensive hobbies also stay quite even, without having to expand the cost to the consumer every year as much as 10-20%.

The day that WH40k has walking and talking tiny little robots fighting each other at the players whims, is the day that arguing that other hobbies are expensive can rationally applied to this debate.

And these robotic miniatures will go along nicely with the golf clubs that hit balls by themselves and the guitar that plays music by itself?

They're completely comparable. All your argument for golf clubs and paintball guns is that they're "special works of art"? That's like saying "they're different because they're better". Maybe others don't agree? A sculpture is more of a piece of art than a golf club, is in my opinion. And I'm not sure how the manufacture of a golf club is more "special" than the manufacture of a model.

Yes my car runs on imagination-juice. I think it really works quite well don't you Orkeo?



This is my vacation ride, I like it quite a bit. Who needs and engine when I have plastic soldiers?

I guess you should have spent your gas money on golf clubs instead? (At least you can play 40k at home...)

All I am saying is that a bit of plastic does not have the intention behind it that a highly mechanized and/or balanced/crafted tool does. A golf club is a tool, as is a paintball gun, and they should be treated accordingly.

My plastic toys are plastic toys, they have no more or less value than plastic and some nice design, than I place onto them. Any cost incurred by GW from changing their molding process does not need to be instantly transferred to their customers, yet that is pretty much their first choice in any situation.

Value has a lot more to do with the actual materials in a product than most people would like. Just because someone says that there new fancy bit of art is worth more than the skill and materials used does not change the fact that it may be one of the cheapest pieces of art that I have ever seen. Telling me that some painting with no effort involved is actually worth millions of dollars is basically saying, "you better believe me... and I can fly as well ".

There's ways to save money on everything even in 40k. For example the basic supplies like brushes. You don't have to use GW brushes. You can buy great quality artist brushes that cost a little more but will last longer. The same thing with the paints. The base paints that you use the most (e.g. white, black, red) You can use a professional great quality arcrylic. Not only will you get more paint for your buck most artist paints come in those tubes so they wont dry out so fast. Plus you can get those in between colors that eat up alot of paint. Lucky for me my skills as an oil painter helped me save some money on supplies in the long run. As for the glues you can get hobby glues in such in larger bottles and won't dryout (like the ones from GW always does on me even before I opened the bottle!). The only thing that'll still cost you money is the models. If GW make all of their models in plastic that'll save us money. But we know theyt aren't going to do that...

It's only as expensive as you make it. Learn how to strip and repair models and you'll save a lot of money by buying used.

I thought we were talking about buying new, but I suppose the title negates that assumption .

Oooh, another way to save money is to buy them online for an extra 5% off then complain when all the local stores slowly go out of business!

It's a plan, man.

RxGhost wrote:Oooh, another way to save money is to buy them online for an extra 5% off then complain when all the local stores slowly go out of business!

It's a plan, man.

Are you talking about LGS or LGWS?

RxGhost wrote:Oooh, another way to save money is to buy them online for an extra 5% off then complain when all the local stores slowly go out of business!

It's a plan, man.

What if we save a *lot* more than 5% and don't care if the local guys go out of business because we never play there?

I think that's an even better plan.

Wrexasaur wrote: Any cost incurred by GW from changing their molding process does not need to be instantly transferred to their customers, yet that is pretty much their first choice in any situation.

You seem to be failing remedial business pretty hard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

RxGhost wrote:Oooh, another way to save money is to buy them online for an extra 5% off then complain when all the local stores slowly go out of business!

It's a plan, man.

What if we save a *lot* more than 5% and don't care if the local guys go out of business because we never play there?

I think that's an even better plan.

So it's more fun to play with yourself?

Bookwrack wrote:

Wrexasaur wrote: Any cost incurred by GW from changing their molding process does not need to be instantly transferred to their customers, yet that is pretty much their first choice in any situation.

You seem to be failing remedial business pretty hard.

There are ways besides just dropping all of your new cost on your customers in these kinds of situations. I do know that it is quite obvious to do so, but charging the customers more as a general rule is most definitely not their only option.

I'll answer your question with another: Why is your mother so cheap?

There are ways, but they are ones which GW doesn't care to use.

And so we are left in the position capitalism puts us; make one of the following choices!

i) Build a better mousetrap yourself
ii) Buy the expensive mousetrap
iii) Buy a competitor's mousetrap
iv) Put up with mice

Wrexasaur wrote:All I am saying is that a bit of plastic does not have the intention behind it that a highly mechanized and/or balanced/crafted tool does. A golf club is a tool, as is a paintball gun, and they should be treated accordingly.

A golf club is a finely balanced tool, but for what? For playing golf. It being a tool doesn't give it any worth that doesn't come from its usefulness; its worth as a tool is still dependent on how much you like golf.

Why do people like golf? I don't know, I'm certainly not a big fan of the game. I do like tiny plastic space monsters though. I place more value on an aesthetic piece I like than a tool that allows me to do something well that I'd never want to do in the first place.

RxGhost wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

RxGhost wrote:Oooh, another way to save money is to buy them online for an extra 5% off then complain when all the local stores slowly go out of business!

It's a plan, man.

What if we save a *lot* more than 5% and don't care if the local guys go out of business because we never play there?

I think that's an even better plan.

So it's more fun to play with yourself?

We have more fun playing by ourselves, yes.

We had a great little Apoc game over the weekend, 2 on 3.

The benefit of local stores is much exaggerated.

Orkeosaurus wrote:It being a tool doesn't give it any worth that doesn't come from its usefulness; its worth as a tool is still dependent on how much you like golf.

Wholeheartedly agreed - if I was offered a golf club (retail value $200) or a bunch of Empire Shield Sprues (value $4 each) I would choose the Empire Shield Sprues every time, because I need them. And golf is, in my view, a good walk spoiled. This, of course, assumes no resale value for either of them.

But a golf club is NOT worth anything to me - not as a tool. It is worth something if someone will pay me for it; but then it simply becomes a business transaction. What it is means nothing to me - a carefully sculpted pile of paperclips which I can buy for $100 and sell for $105 has $5 of utility to me.

Wrexasaur wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:

Wrexasaur wrote: Any cost incurred by GW from changing their molding process does not need to be instantly transferred to their customers, yet that is pretty much their first choice in any situation.

You seem to be failing remedial business pretty hard.

There are ways besides just dropping all of your new cost on your customers in these kinds of situations. I do know that it is quite obvious to do so, but charging the customers more as a general rule is most definitely not their only option.

This is why I made the crack about failing business. All costs have to be accounted for somewhere, and for a commercial business, that is done by selling things. If you don't pass the cost on to your customer, then it remains a red mark on the balance sheet.

dienekes96 wrote:I'll answer your question with another: Why is your mother so cheap?

Tough times. This economy, I tell you.

I will put it like this then. If I want I can actually make my own plastic toys that are really no better or worse than GW products on the whole. They may cost more for me to make, but that has little to do with me and more to do with GW and their corporate status.

On the other hand if I had the skill to make paintball guns and golf-clubs to the same level as the ones that I can buy, I would be some sort of genius . The cost and time I would have to invest just to enjoy my creation vary so drastically in this comparison, I have no choice but to say you are talking out of perspective alone.

As a few people have said before, they expensive because they are expensive. There really is no reason beyond this, especially when people continue to see these toys as more than bits of plastic in reality. I do not mean this as an insult, but comparing a paintball gun to a plastic toy, or even a whole army of plastic toys makes me laugh a bit.