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Shaman wrote:I always took the Alpha legion article at complete miss information. If the Ultramrines had killed alpharius omegaman whatever they would of recorded it.. their primarch wrote a book ffs.
Alpharius (or Omegaman) had a backup body in the form of the other twin. There is no reason he could not have simply lost one of his bodies and then gone to hide out for a while.
eh? What?
They're two bodies with one soul. If one got killed, then the soul now has one body in the form of whichever twin survived. In essence, a backup.
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It's not clear if Guilliman killed Alpharius, Omegon, or neither. The Ultramarines don't have a record of him killing Alpharius. Most of the Alpha Legion had a striking resembelance to Alpharius. I think it's quite possible that both Alpharius and Omegon are both still running around the galaxy, but it's unknown.
I didn't remember any references to Vulkan being at the Istvaan massacre, but I don't remember anything to conflict with it either. Anyone have a good reference?
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Vulkan didnt lead his troops into the Dropsite. I forget what drew him away. The only Primarch to drop with his legion was Ferrus Mannus and looked what happened to that guy.
And Guilliman is dead. His throat was slashed by Fulgrim with a poisoned blade.
Guilliman is in a statis field, and some people, despite the impossiblity of it, claim he is slowly healing. But, if they shut off the field 'today', he'd pressumably be toast. It's deliberately vague is Guilliman is dead or healing.
In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer
Ummm...according to Fulgrim he was at the dropsite massacre. Also, according to Salamander he was there. And according to the latter, it was the last time he was seen. Although the Salamanders believe he survived.
Thanks for the references. I haven't read either book.
In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer
This is a case of conflicting sources then. Although, for the record, you are right and Lexicanum does in fact claim this. They also cite their source as the article The Promethean Wars in Index Astartes IV
1. Lion el Jonson: asleep in the rock
2. ????
3. Fulgrim: Possessed/daemon prince
4. Purtubo(spelling?): Daemon prince
5. Khan: Webway
6. Russ: Lost (looking for the tree of life in the eye of terror)
7. Dorn: Dead
8. Curze: Assassinated
9. Sanguinius: Dead
10. Manus: Dead
11. ????
12. Angron: Daemon prince
13. Guilliman(spelling?): Preserved/Healing in stasis
14. Mortarion: Daemon prince
15. Magnus: Daemon prince
16. Horous: Dead
17. Logar: Daemon prince
18. Vulkan: Lost (said to return when all nine artifacts have been recovered)
19. Corax: Lost (headed to the eye of terror)
20. Alpharus & Omegeon: Dead & Daemon prince
These may well be wrong but its what I have found....
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Emperors Faithful wrote:With all tghe fients and double-dealing that the Alpha legion dabbles in (as well as how easily girlyman beat him) I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the dead Alpharius was simply a diversion. (After all, the Alpha legion wasn't fazed in the slightest)
First of all, it's "phased" not "faced". Second, this is because Alpharius had an identical twin, Omegon, who would sometimes play the part of his brother. The secret was very well kept. Ergo, Omegon simply stepped in and took over his brother's role.
First of all, he had it right. "Fazed" is the correct spelling in this case. Second, there's no -actual- confirmation that Alpharius died. You're made to think that, sure, but the lack of any physical records of this happening makes it kind of questionable. The Imperium says he died. but there's no body or record of the events to prove it, and it's not like Girlyman is talking any time soon..
And it's not like they print off hordes of false information and propaganda to keep people loyal and afraid. The Imperium is completely honest about everything. Really. Would we lie to you?
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Deathbot wrote:First of all, it's "phased" not "faced". Second, this is because Alpharius had an identical twin, Omegon, who would sometimes play the part of his brother. The secret was very well kept. Ergo, Omegon simply stepped in and took over his brother's role.
I love it when people try to correct someone else and gets it wrong themself. You didn't even manage to copy what he wrote properly.
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Yeh a few people in this thread need to read legion.
Emperors Faithful wrote:And how the hell does a primarch have an identical twin?
There would probably have been extensive surgery on one of his soldiers or something to make it *look* like him. I don't think ANY primarchs had twins running around.
Especially you. Although the reveal is a bit ruined for you now. Same as when I read it, I already knew, didn't spoil it one bit though.
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I think you should read the book. But FTR, theres no indication the Emporer even knows about it.
edit: from lexicanum. Legion spoiler...
Spoiler:
The greatest secret about the Alpha Legion Primarch is apparently told to none outside the Legion, and has always been thus. For, unlike any of the other Primarchs, Alpharius has an identical twin: Omegon. It is unknown if the Emperor designed this, or was ever even aware of it.
Alpharius and Omegon are both the Primarch of the Legion, although 'Alpharius' is the public face and appears as the more senior of the two. Though as both are identical it is possible for them to switch roles and have 'Omegon' play the public role. They have been described as "one soul in two bodies" and collectively have been referred to as simply "Alpharius Omegon".
While the Astartes of the Alpha Legion, once at least, made an attempt to all look alike, both Alpharius and Omegon were still somewhat distinctive. Taller than the rest of the Legion, slightly copper-skinned, bald and possessed of a heavy brow, they somewhat resembled their brother, Horus. Unlike him, Alpharius and Omegon had piercing eyes that seemed to glitter, appearing to shift colour from a cold arctic blue to a shimmering green. The overall impression was one of nobility and intelligence. One way to tell the two apart was when Omegon was performing as commander of Effrit Stealth Squad; large portions of his power armour and gear were painted black and otherwise darkened. The armour worn by Alpharius was not particularly different from that of an ordinary Alpha Legionnaire.1
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I don't know, maybe both. Since it has been sugested in the hh novels that the emporer had forseen the chaos gods spreading the primarchs across the galaxy and it was all part of his plan.
vodo40k wrote:
20. Alpharus & Omegeon: Dead & Daemon prince
Were does it say one is a daemon prince, I thought that the alpha legion was still loyal?
No it was said that Alpharius remained loyal despite his legion. It is stated that he said, "What I do from now on, I do for the Emperor," or something along those lines...
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My reading of Legion was the twins were exactly that
Two different people yet their embryo split - both ended up with identical physical attributes
Seems impossible Emp did not know - imagine them in
their vitamin tanks - kind of hard to hide there
From reading space wolf ominbus that chapter believes they needed the spear of russ to remain in the temple near the eye (tough ask when 1k sons out to get it..) yet old mate hurled it into a gate.. so there goes that chapters hopes..
For me cannot see a catalyst for GW to make any progress in this story, only document the detail of that heresy period in more detail then more vague references to current situ
Think its more likely they will bring in new races - Squats, Chaos Squats (Go the Bull Centaur!), Zoats..!
BTW saw there was a new fluff writer for GW who is in the Australian Army - so they are prepared to take on talent to fight the good fight and further the fluff - reckon there would be some quality fluff writing potential in this membership!
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Loricatus Aurora wrote:Seems impossible Emp did not know - imagine them in
their vitamin tanks - kind of hard to hide there
But if, like I have suggested, it was a choas mutation which was caused when the chaos gods spread them across the warp (like sanguinius' wings for example) then there would have been only one in the tanks when the emporer saw them.
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vodo40k wrote:
20. Alpharus & Omegeon: Dead & Daemon prince
Were does it say one is a daemon prince, I thought that the alpha legion was still loyal?
No it was said that Alpharius remained loyal despite his legion. It is stated that he said, "What I do from now on, I do for the Emperor," or something along those lines...
Propaganda and rumour-mongering entirely stemming from the sly, cunning methods of the Alpha legion.
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