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Counts are substantially lower and slower this time than from the 40k reports, but let's go ahead and get a tally started:

Chaos Daemons - 11
Dwarves - 7
Lizardmen - 6
Warriors of Chaos - 5
Dark Elves - 5
Empire - 4
Vampire Counts - 3
High Elves - 3
Chaos Dwarves - 1
Orcs & Goblins - 1
Ogre Kingdoms - 1
Chaos Beastmen - 1
Tomb Kings - 1

Credit was not given for Lemartes or djones' unsure 3rd place, and the St. Catharine's Ontario 1st place was assumed to be WoC, someone correct me if you have information to the contrary.

djones520 wrote:
Glad to see Teclis had a good showing somewhere. He did great for me, but just wasn't enough.

Teclis did very wel for me. He obliged me by casting with irresistable no less than 1/3 of the time and more often 1/2. Couldn't of done it without him. AND he killed an empire inner circle champ that caught up with him. He had a stellar day.

Gobstomp420 wrote:

djones520 wrote:
Glad to see Teclis had a good showing somewhere. He did great for me, but just wasn't enough.

Teclis did very wel for me. He obliged me by casting with irresistable no less than 1/3 of the time and more often 1/2. Couldn't of done it without him. AND he killed an empire inner circle champ that caught up with him. He had a stellar day.

I had him climb a stegadon and stab a Skink Priest to death. Then the Stegadon stomped him to death. Irresistable Force was probably about 75% of the time for me though.

Hit Point Hobbies Southern Pines, NC

Lizard Men 1st
Vampire Counts 2nd
Skaven 3rd

So it would be something like this now.

Chaos Daemons - 11
Dwarves - 7
Lizardmen - 7
Warriors of Chaos - 5
Dark Elves - 5
Empire - 4
Vampire Counts - 4
High Elves - 3
Chaos Dwarves - 1
Orcs & Goblins - 1
Ogre Kingdoms - 1
Chaos Beastmen - 1
Tomb Kings - 1
Skaven - 1

Looks right. Thought about updating that, but didn't see the point after the one additional post.

It does surprise me that there are so many armies with low representation, or none at all. We still have zero Wood Elves and Brettonians, and only one each of six different armies represented. Chaos Dwarves I understand, it takes a twisted person to bring them to 'ard Boyz (looking at you, 40kE), and I do know that these other armies are all considered to have been released before the power creep codex cycle began, but I've heard about plenty of prelims that had limited turnout, some as few as four participants. Honestly, as little as I had played Fantasy lately, that might just be the only reason I made it into this list. So was the field that heavily skewed in favor of the winning armies (i.e. nobody brought the armies that aren't represented highly), or did they just generally perform that poorly?

On the other hand, how exactly did the Dwarves do so well? I don't doubt that they fared better for survival than most armies against the magic heavy metagame, and they're a solid army, but I just can't see them scoring more than draws, maybe minor victories against the majority of the field. I would normally attribute it to saturation (being in the latest starter box), but our sample set doesn't seem to show the same results for their greenskinned compatriots (being in the last two (or more?) starter boxes). Anyone care to share how that worked out?

My skaven came in fourth, just a couple of points shy from third so maybe some of them were close. Also out of our eleven player five were daemons, and two out of those took first and third, Lizards taking second (our results already included in list).

The reason I think Dwarfs did so well might due to what at least at our store is the perfered Daemon army. LD Bomb + horror core + fiends or flesh hounds + Kairos. Dwarfs CAN beat that.

Because dwarves are broken!

Seriously though, while they're not broken, they're dead hard. Everything will be Ld 9 or 10, most of it immune to panic or fear for some reason or another. They, like daemons, can take multiples of the best runes, making all their characters equipped with 1+ re-rollable armor saves, and apparently being mounted on shieldbearers makes a lord immune to killing blow?

Dwarves don't need to sink a lot of points to make a "deathstar". I put it in quotes because it's not the traditional type. It's immune to march blocking because it's dwarves. It's likely ITP because they're dwarven characters. Its characters are nigh-unkillable and soak any attacks directed at them, likely from your most powerful, death-dealing character. It comes down to static combat res and since the unit is also likely stubborn, they can hold up a real deathstar worth way more points than they are just by being incredibly tough.

Meanwhile, they're 6 or 7 or 8 or however many S7 flaming re-roll misses boltthrowers they can take are slamming your lines, and Thorek's smashing his hammer in the back to reduce your movement and hurt your dudes.

Did I mention they can take lots of dispel dice and/or scrolls on the cheap?

Not broken, but definitely a tough nut to crack.

Check out Seer on their result posts. There is 2 wood elves armies and 2 bret armies in there as well. Plus a couple more O&G and Ogre armies to boot.

Is there any way to weigh the results against the number of people using those armies?

ZF-

There probably isn't a large sampling to be had, but for anyone that DOES post their field alongside their results, I don't mind crunching a few numbers to give those statistics.

Yeah, I figured the army win counts by themselves can be deceptive. If, say three quarters of the players were using DOC (not saying that’s the case), that in and of itself could skew the results.

I suppose if 90% of the players used Beasts, they’d look pretty good too.

ZF-

War Dogs, Jacksonville FL

1) Daemons (me!)
2) Empire (Popemobile, 2 stanks, B Gelt)
3) Brettonians (Fey Enchantress, 2 treb.)

I was surprised at the bret list, since it went up against a 7 bolt thrower thorek army...but apparently thorek blew himself up in the first or second turn.

Zad Fnark wrote:Yeah, I figured the army win counts by themselves can be deceptive.
I suppose if 90% of the players used Beasts, they’d look pretty good too.

If there were 3 Daemons players against a field of Beasts, and they didn't have to play each other until the final round, my money would be on the Daemon players taking top 3...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Zad Fnark wrote:Yeah, I figured the army win counts by themselves can be deceptive.
I suppose if 90% of the players used Beasts, they’d look pretty good too.

If there were 3 Daemons players against a field of Beasts, and they didn't have to play each other until the final round, my money would be on the Daemon players taking top 3...

My poor Beasts of Chaos need an update...thanks for kicking us when we're down JHDD....

At this point I'll remind you that I'm a Dogs of War player, who hasn't had a proper Army Book since 5th Edition. Pause for a moment and think about what that means.

Now go back to your Warhammer Armies: Beast of Chaos, and look at the copyright date.

Are you *sure* that you want to play this game with me?

JohnHwangDD wrote:At this point I'll remind you that I'm a Dogs of War player, who hasn't had a proper Army Book since 5th Edition. Pause for a moment and think about what that means.

Now go back to your Warhammer Armies: Beast of Chaos, and look at the copyright date.

Are you *sure* that you want to play this game with me?

As a dark eldar player I understand your pain and withdraw my early statement.

Believe me, I know the pain. Most DoW players would *gladly* be where BoC, or even DE, are today. At least we'd have a legal Army Book for the foreseeable future and be included as part of GW "official" events.

For The Realm in Brea, CA:

1.) Tombkings
2.) warriors of chaos
3.) demons of chaos

mortetvie wrote:For The Realm in Brea, CA:

1.) Tombkings
2.) warriors of chaos
3.) demons of chaos

Who played Tomb Kings?

That's interesting, as I head over to the Realm with frequency (Every Saturday, From either 1-4ish)

I played tombkings. I don't know if you played in the 40k 'ard boys but I got first there this year with my wraithzilla eldar if you remember/know who that is. =)

JohnHwangDD wrote:At this point I'll remind you that I'm a Dogs of War player, who hasn't had a proper Army Book since 5th Edition. Pause for a moment and think about what that means.

Now go back to your Warhammer Armies: Beast of Chaos, and look at the copyright date.

Are you *sure* that you want to play this game with me?

I'll play. I raise your DoW army with my Kislevite army (Oh and I do have the aforementioned beasts of chaos as well!)

mortetvie wrote:I played tombkings. I don't know if you played in the 40k 'ard boys but I got first there this year with my wraithzilla eldar if you remember/know who that is. =)

Ahhh, I see.

Well, congrats on your win!

Gamer's Haven - Colorado Springs

#1 Daemons
#2 Daemons
#3 Daemons

From memory there were also:
2 Warriors of Chaos
2 Dwarves
2 High Elves
1 Wood Elf
2 Vampire Counts

Warmaster wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:At this point I'll remind you that I'm a Dogs of War player, who hasn't had a proper Army Book since 5th Edition. Pause for a moment and think about what that means.

Now go back to your Warhammer Armies: Beast of Chaos, and look at the copyright date.

Are you *sure* that you want to play this game with me?

I'll play. I raise your DoW army with my Kislevite army (Oh and I do have the aforementioned beasts of chaos as well!)

Fail. Kislev came out after Dogs of War, so your army is newer.

Next!

The stupid allies list does not count. There hasn't been a real Kislev list since the Citadel Journel article. Which was out well before the last annual that published a Dogs of War list.

If you're not counting the Allies list, then I don't count the Chronicles reprint.

Yea, St. Catharine's Ontario's was WoC. Sorry, not used to Chaos being two different things.

1st - Brettonians
2nd - Orcs & Goblins
3rd - Lizardmen

@artyboy, where were these results from? Not questioning the validity (glad to see a second Bret), but just in case someone else posts the same set later, don't want to double up in the count.

Speaking of...


Chaos Daemons - 16 -- Note to self... tool army up against Daemons
Lizardmen - 8
Dwarves - 7
Warriors of Chaos - 6
Dark Elves - 5
Empire - 5
Vampire Counts - 4
High Elves - 3
Orcs & Goblins - 2
Tomb Kings - 2
Brettonians - 2
Chaos Dwarves - 1
Ogre Kingdoms - 1
Chaos Beastmen - 1
Skaven - 1