AT-43 - Special character Byron Samedi and Light Enforcer vehicle pics

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**Platuan4th**

whitedragon wrote:
Wolfen wrote:
Its not like in the Rhino can actually fit 10 marines isnt it?

Have you ever ridden in an APC? It's pretty cramped. And 10 Marines CAN fit in a rhino. There was an old picture floating around the web of an old style rhino where somebody had stuck either 10 landspeeder crew or attack bike crew in a rhino and they fit just fine. Seeing as how the new Rhino is bigger, it should be no problem.

Plus, using the FW diagram, I can see them fitting(Sergeant with Driver, 6 sitting, 3 standing).

**Gundam-Mecha**

The point with the ONI APC is that it is so badly out of proportion.

Yes Modern APC's are bulky and large, however the wheels and tyres while big are proportional to the rest of the vehicle.

It's not just the wheels on this ONI APC that are bad but the whole layout. The oversized bumper, the huge slit windows, all of the elements together make it look like a toy and not a model.

A rhino is small yes but its well designed and balanced unlike this AFV.

If you like the design then fine, I'm sure this could be converted to good purpose... but for me it's too much. I'm not saying that only as a scale modeller, of course no 40K vehicle is to scale, but at least they don't look too silly when compared to the dimensions of the infantry figures they are supposed to accomodate.

As a side note I actually love the AT 43 art work and concepts. I think Red Blok are great, and I really thought Rackham were on to a winner. Prepaints with their bad painting, material, and bad casting really killed this for me. I was so gutted as I was a huge Rackham metals fan of the confrontation sculpts... which also died out.

**Platuan4th**

Gundam-Mecha wrote:I was so gutted as I was a huge Rackham metals fan of the confrontation sculpts... which also died out.

Interesting fact: Confrontation plastics actually use the exact molds for the metals.

**Gundam-Mecha**

Yet they look rubbish

I'm sorry dude but the prepainted plastics are shockingly bad.

The metals were vastly superior

Rackham had such great IP and concepts... but for me just made a terrible business decision.

I appreciate that they hit financial trouble so that sped up their choices, but I think they really disappointed a lot of modellers and gamers.

**Platuan4th**

Gundam-Mecha wrote:I'm sorry dude but the prepainted plastics are shockingly bad.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

It's personal tastes, sure, but I compared my Wolfen Army Box models with my metal Wolfen metals and they have the same amount of detail, even though the plastics don't have them painted.

**Gundam-Mecha**

It would be interesting to see them side by side.

The photos I have seen from Rackham looked really bad though.

For me its also the issues of the type of plastic, and the mould lines.

Cleaning them up is very tough as from what I understand the factory paints over the top of the mini with no cleanup etc.

IF Rackham wanted to be more accessible thats great, but I think they should have left options open for experienced gamers or modellers who wanted the choice.

I've seen some AT-43 stuff painted well for sure by some really talented artists, and theres some nice Red Blok mechs that have been tempting me, maybe one day I might try to take one apart and work on it... but the price... they arent cheap.

**Platuan4th**

Gundam-Mecha wrote:IF Rackham wanted to be more accessible thats great, but I think they should have left options open for experienced gamers or modellers who wanted the choice.

I'm not going to get into that in public, but suffice it to say, there are those inside the company wishing for the same thing.

**whitedragon**

Gundam-Mecha wrote:It would be interesting to see them side by side.

The photos I have seen from Rackham looked really bad though.

You need to actually look at the models in person. They really are very well detailed, and easily cleaned up and painted over just like any other model. It's no different than any other model except they put it together for you and it has a coat of paint slapped on it. How this can upset anyone is beyond me, since there is no Law that states they can't be repainted.

**Hollismason**

AT-43 has such fantastic model i just wish that the rules were a little different or easier and that they would produce unpainted.

**LunaHound**

whitedragon wrote:
Gundam-Mecha wrote:It would be interesting to see them side by side.

The photos I have seen from Rackham looked really bad though.

You need to actually look at the models in person. They really are very well detailed, and easily cleaned up and painted over just like any other model. It's no different than any other model except they put it together for you and it has a coat of paint slapped on it. How this can upset anyone is beyond me, since there is no Law that states they can't be repainted.

I agree , their pre paints looks better then the average table top quality. Its also painted in a durable yet thin layer of paint ,
which means you can paint directly over it without stripping it or priming them.

Here is example of repaint:

**FOXHOUND**

**ShumaGorath**

Stubby little cute tank is cute.

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

Are his hands giant phillips screw drivers?

**LunaHound**

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Are his hands giant phillips screw drivers?

Need glasses

**Toreador**

and so I pay a premium for a prepainted bendy fig only to repaint it? Hmm... ok.

And the Confrontation figs are horrible compared to the metals. The Wolfen are probably the only ones that came out fine because of their size.

Like the game system, hate the minis as they are.

The scout car just looks,... odd. Like it's front bumper would make it so front heavy it would flip. Byron looks decent from a distance and painted well. Odd faction.

**JohnHwangDD**

Gundam-Mecha wrote:A rhino is small yes but its well designed and balanced unlike this AFV.

Aside from the lack of ground clearance, lateral track clearance, wheel suspension, and climbing ability, sure!

**DogOfWar**

WGXH wrote:

The real Byron Samedi. >_>

GAH! I knew I'd heard that name somewhere before. Well done, sir!

Sorry, nothing constructive to add on the conversation, just kudos where kudos is due.

DoW

**aka_mythos**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Gundam-Mecha wrote:A rhino is small yes but its well designed and balanced unlike this AFV.

Aside from the lack of ground clearance, lateral track clearance, wheel suspension, and climbing ability, sure!

I'm pretty sure this conversation has been had here.... but you need to compare a rhino to a marine off his base. In a comparison to a marine and a guardsmen the wheels are between 2.5 and 3 feet in diameter. With the ground clearance of the chassis being closer to the 2.5 feet. An M113 a comparable vehicle has a ground clearance of 1.3 feet and has less climbing ability. The fact that the Rhino's tracks protrude in the front and rear make it more adept at that then the M113.

**FOXHOUND**

Toreador wrote:and so I pay a premium for a prepainted bendy fig only to repaint it? Hmm... ok.

Premium? If your playing any GW games, then your already paying a larger premium. An at-43 army box costs $70 and you get a completely playable army right out of box. An equivalent 40k battleforce costs more and is not completely playable.

Byron and his afv costs $30. Last I checked a GW special character costs $15-20+ just for a single unpainted mini without an AFV.

**Myrthe**

I'm looking forward to the ONI ...

...and, moreso, to Rackham Entertainment FINALLY getting their release schedule under control to get these goodies into my waiting hands in a timely fashion (one can dream).

**Toreador**

and those plastic, unposable guys would be really cheap if they weren't "painted". Any game is as cheap as you are wanting to, or willing to play it.

Either way I am paying 3.50 for each plastic posable marine with a lot of options, or 3.50 for a basic UNA trooper without any, that is painted. Me, I am a modeler, so I would rather pay 3.50 for the model. Other people like the prepaints. I would much rather pay say, 2.50 for something not painted. To me at the same cost, it isn't worth it. It's all in how you value it. I would rather pay $15 for a substantial fig like Pedro than $10 for a little hero click bendy fig like Captain Newton.

The Karmas make me almost play the game. Heck, I almost bought one without playing the game. Nice design and very unique. But I still don't like a lot of the figs. Too much like a game I would pick up at Wal-Mart than what I consider the "hobby". Most of the vehicles and such look like that to me. Like this one. It looks like a toy. I like the rules and some of the figs, but it just doesn't do it for me.

**chris_valera**

Looks good, maybe a tad too small. Reminds me of the APCs from VOID, which were also nice.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

**kendoka**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Gundam-Mecha wrote:A rhino is small yes but its well designed and balanced unlike this AFV.

Aside from the lack of ground clearance, lateral track clearance, wheel suspension, and climbing ability, sure!

In ze future such things are no longer necessary:

That said, the AT APC is kinda nice (as a base for an Aliens APC conversion for 40k).

**JohnHwangDD**

The Mk-41A Pulse Rifle with integral under-barrel grenade launcher is pretty solid.

The M-577 APC is a good-looking vehicle, and has a number of integral tradeoffs when you consider it has to fit within a UD-4L "Cheyenne" Dropship...

As a pure mecha design for urban use, the M-577 beats the Rhino hands down. Especially as the base mechanicals actually work...