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Night Lords wrote:
Its because Space Wolves are useless cowards with Ld8.

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Chaos has nothing to offer a Space Wolf.

They're already fighting anything and everything they like for glory, so Khorne isn't appealing.

As has already been pointed out, they dislike sorcery and scheming so Tzeentch doesn't hold much appeal.

Their codex allows them to indulge in furry-ism and wolf riding. I don't think even Slaanesh could come up with anything more perverted to tempt them. They are also encouraged to get drunk during battle. If the rumors were true, then there transports do have diminshed transport capacity. This is due to their need to bring kegs of ale to celebrate their victories and drown their losses.

They have lycanthropy at some stage. Is there a more appealing disease to borderline psychopaths? What could Nurgle offer?

They are already indulging in most of the things chaos lures many of the marines in with- for the Emperor. It is similar to tempting a bounty hunter to take up kidnapping. They're already doing it, plus they have the moral high ground.

Da Boss wrote:
Space Wolves are extra chaos resistant aswell now?
Bleh.

*shopping channel voice*
New inproved space wolves with added chaos resistance.
Now resists 99.9% of household chaos.

Some problems with the current discussion.

1. Here we have to Coexes (it seems, as I haven't read the recent SW Codex) that contradict one another!! SHOCK, hey!, you do realise GW has been doing this for some time.

2. @ Gwar.....no its not Chaos propaganda, its the plebs at GW designing army lists in isolation....that or they're inter-breeding with their own close familiy members, and each generation ends up uglier and stupider than the next....I'm batting for the second choice on this one!

3. Red Corsairs are actually pirates.....not saying some are not aligned to Chaos, but the book doesn't necessarily tie the group to any one Chaos god, sooooo, the Wolves might have gone rogue, but may not be bending the knee to Chaos!!

4. Its a game, anything goes......anyone for some Female Space Wolves?

I'm of the mind to model things how you want (within reason - and I think one power armored model for another is pretty reasonable) and let others nerd rage on the internet about the appropriateness of it.

Delephont wrote:
4. Its a game, anything goes......anyone for some Female Space Wolves?

Female Space Wolves and Wolfen. Throw in some Blood Angel vampires and I think you get critical mass for a fluff war, and bad movie references...

Bad movie references are awsome: now just put the above space werewolves and armoured vampires into a space hulk and have them all forget to turn on the lights or lock the doors.

Yes, GW don't check their own fluff, but hey: I don't have a SW codex, and I do have a CSM codex which has two different instances of traitor wolves (that's once more than the Black Legion). Score.

Ketara wrote:
Not only that, as anyone who's read the Space Wolf Saga will know, and aspirant has to go through the Gates of Morkai before they become a Blood Claw, and have the nature of chaos revealed to them. The Gates of Morkai are a psychic testing of an applicant to attempt to persuade them to give themselves over to Chaos. Hence, anyone who had that weakness in the personality is weeded out before they enter the chapter itself.

I believe all space marines go through incredible amounts of mental screening prior to becoming marines. Just because they pass initially doesn't mean they are completely immune to the temptations of Chaos. Look at Ragnar in the Omnibus. He has a strong dislike of the rune priests (due to the Gates of Morkai), he's afraid of death, and he has ambition (note this is all when he's a blood claw). All of those are weaknesses that the forces of chaos could exploit in order to try to tempt him.

Ketara wrote:I believe you could use Codex Chaos to represent the 13th company effectively, but if someone plonked down a chaos space wolf army on the table in front of me, I'd assume they didn't know the fluff.

If someone assumed I didn't know the fluff because I made a Chaos wolf army, I'd be forced to assume that that person did not have a sound grasp of the intricacies of Chaos.

Ketara wrote:EDIT: As to mutations, the longer a wolf lives, the more resistant he becomes to mutation. This is revealed through the Thousand Sons attempt to force all the Space Wolves to mutate to Wulfen. It is stated that the Blood Claws would succumb first due to not being used to resisting it, followed by the Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, etc.

All that proves is that the older a marine gets, the more used he is to dealing with his inner beast, not that he's super+1immune to all mutation.


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gameandwatch wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:Anywho, the events aboard the Wolf of Fenris seem at odds to the idea that SW are super chaos resistant.

The Wolf of Fenris is lies and Chaos Propaganda!

I will admit that the situation is pretty stupid. The Wolves just randomly go rogue? Lolwut? Course, SW seem to attract odd occurences. In the SW omnibus, Ragnar looks at a mural with a Space Wolf fighting Tyranids during the Great Crusade.

Actually, believe it or not the Tyranids have been in this galaxy for far longer than most know, the ambul and catachan devil, for instance, are actually tyranid shock troopers that were sent FAR in advance of any of the hive fleets, and obviously, if the devils have any psychic beacon connection like genestealers do, then catachan itself would present a pretty tasty morcel for the great devourer... In other words, its fairly possible that they might have encountered some early on...

Oh, I understand that the Tyrannic Wars were not the first encounters with Tyranid-like organisms. That said, IF a Space Marine chapter had encountered the gribbly menace before, one would think that the Imperial Army would have also encountered and catalogued it. An encounter with a hive fleet isn't an easy thing to forget.

Hive Fleets are not the only Tyranid Organisms. Genestealers are one very good Example. Others like the Catachan Devil and the Fenrisian Kraken are examples of Organisms that got seperated.

Gwar! wrote:Hive Fleets are not the only Tyranid Organisms. Genestealers are one very good Example. Others like the Catachan Devil and the Fenrisian Kraken are examples of Organisms that got seperated.

There are sea nids on Fenris?

Lord-Loss wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Hive Fleets are not the only Tyranid Organisms. Genestealers are one very good Example. Others like the Catachan Devil and the Fenrisian Kraken are examples of Organisms that got seperated.

There are sea nids on Fenris?

There are Kraken, which are theorised to be Tyranid Related.

Gitzbitah wrote:Chaos has nothing to offer a Space Wolf.

They're already fighting anything and everything they like for glory, so Khorne isn't appealing.

As has already been pointed out, they dislike sorcery and scheming so Tzeentch doesn't hold much appeal.

Their codex allows them to indulge in furry-ism and wolf riding. I don't think even Slaanesh could come up with anything more perverted to tempt them. They are also encouraged to get drunk during battle. If the rumors were true, then there transports do have diminshed transport capacity. This is due to their need to bring kegs of ale to celebrate their victories and drown their losses.

They have lycanthropy at some stage. Is there a more appealing disease to borderline psychopaths? What could Nurgle offer?

They are already indulging in most of the things chaos lures many of the marines in with- for the Emperor. It is similar to tempting a bounty hunter to take up kidnapping. They're already doing it, plus they have the moral high ground.

Actually, I'm thinking the exact opposite. Showing that your culture delves directly into chaos doesn't show you don't care, but that you've already signed the dotted line. No dark shadow has to whisper in your ear, you just kinda get a little wild.
Fights anything with legs, and some things without? Oh baby thats khorne. If we follow the third ed codex(I don't care, its the best chaos fluff next to an omnibus) that's pretty much how the world eaters got picked up. Most CSM walk around for a looooong time before anybody gets horns and tentacles.
Capable of dragging 4 runepriests? Kinda sounds like Tzeentch to me... didn't the SW ruin a planet(s) for too many/powerful pyskers?
Chose your leaders, warriors, and champions in prideful combat? Something sounds familiar. Oh wait, then you get really, really drunk in gluttonous revelry? I'm not gonna drop any names but I think we're all thinking the same thing here.
The only one I really can't pin my finger on is a connection to nurgle. Except maybe the whole planet has some genetic level lycanthropy disease? Feels like a stretch, I'll leave that alone.

I agree wholeheartedly with the above statement.
Three sorcerers (2 in 1k sons units) and a lord in my planned army.

I promise that I shan't mutate any of them (no tentacles whatsoever, though maybe some wolfy possessed (I figure being possessed by horrors is enough to damage anyone's physique)
Also no horned helmets (going with a real viking archetype here.
On the subject of archetypes, isn't the evil werewolf an EXTREMLY common one?

Ketara wrote:The Canis Helix is a mutation of the standard geneseed, however it grants them incredible resistance to the effects of Chaos.

Not only that, as anyone who's read the Space Wolf Saga will know, and aspirant has to go through the Gates of Morkai before they become a Blood Claw, and have the nature of chaos revealed to them. The Gates of Morkai are a psychic testing of an applicant to attempt to persuade them to give themselves over to Chaos. Hence, anyone who had that weakness in the personality is weeded out before they enter the chapter itself.

You're actually citing Black Library as a reference, they're less reliable than the codexes, that's like believing Wikipedia.

Crystal-Maze wrote:You're actually citing Black Library as a reference, they're less reliable than the codexes, that's like believing Wikipedia.

No offence, but since Space Wolves have not had any sort of fluff for 10+ years except Black Library, we don't actually have much choice.