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dracomere wrote:I take offense to that

Alright! Gotta stay ahead of the curve.

I don't really mind; as long as there's good effort into it and all. Emperor protect you if you run into an Iraq war vet though.

I remember within a week of september 11th I played counter strike. nobody seemed to be adjusting their team choices; people were still filling out the terrorist team. it's a little surprising to me that anyone would get offended at this army concept. we have plenty of nazi IG around, why not terrorists?

and if someone does get all butt hurt over it just tell them they're based on the afghani freedom fighters of the 80s that we sided with to expel the russians

tothelastman wrote:I remember within a week of september 11th I played counter strike. nobody seemed to be adjusting their team choices; people were still filling out the terrorist team. it's a little surprising to me that anyone would get offended at this army concept. we have plenty of nazi IG around, why not terrorists?

and if someone does get all butt hurt over it just tell them they're based on the afghani freedom fighters of the 80s that we sided with to expel the russians

Here is an example of how background can change anyones view. I don't take a liking to a "Modern Terrorist" Theme, but I would agree with this idea for fluff. It give's my "Valhallans" a natural enemy.

also @ Pslotha: lol "open-minded", no such thing.

I take offense to that

Sounds to me like someone ruined your plans for a future diorama...lmao.

Honestly, I play 40k to escape real life, and armies like this one simply have no place here. 40k is not a platform for you to express your own political views or make some kind of statement. And in my personal opinion, it doesn't seem to me like you really have a good reason for making an army like this in the first place, it looks more like you're going for the shock value and trying to stir up controversy than anything.

But hey, at least it's not fething Nazis again...

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also @ Pslotha: lol "open-minded", no such thing.

Wait, are you speaking literally or metaphorically, because I'm pretty sure we can get the first one.

Another thing, I'm just curious as to why people like you insist on making these armies fit into 40k, especially if you don't plan on actually bringing it to the table. Why not look for someone who makes modern terrorist models and buy those if they're just going to be on display? I'm sure someone out there makes something like that.

Orkeosaurus wrote:In b4 the "Demo Charge" vest.

This blog is now full of win and Cake (or just Possibly win, as the Cake is a Lie).

I like your idea, I'm going to start working on an "airport security" themed IG army, equipped with metal detectors and nasty attitudes, who will constantly harrass and profile your army. Your army will never again board a Valkryie without first removeing their shoes and emptying their backpacks...Instead of Chimeras, I will model those little Zamboni-like baggage cars the handlers drive around on the tarmacs, and my rough riders will be mounted on segway scooters...

Don't forget the guy with a rubber glove telling you to bend over.

Yeah, I have no problem with this whatsoever - poorly imagined though it might be and hardly original (Tallarns meets Dune, and they're already a take on Dune, meets Al Quimflapper...).

As long as no one takes issue with my "Stars N Stripes" "Marine" chapter (nudge nudge) with greenstuffed religious texts being jammed down greenstuff toilets (wink wink) and enemy IG prisoner models posed naked on top of each other (say no more).

I look forward to the pics!

BTW, get a load of bolters, cut the mags off and stick them on the lasguns with their ammo boxes cut off - a cheap and fairly convincing "banana" or AK stlyed gun (bolters are fairly AK anyway, I always thought).

gruntboy wrote:(bolters are fairly AK anyway, I always thought).

Just to go totally off topic, Bolters are about as related to an AK47 as a Banana is related to the The Triangulum Galaxy.

AK47:


Bolter:

Its an interesting concept.

I once had the idea to make a Colonial native conscript army like native infantry white officers was sat mulling over the idea in my local GW and asked the staff weither they would find it.

A:Offensive
B:Racist

And not one of them had a problem with it had more of a problem with my Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets and all the boobage on display had to cover that up with copious amounts of greenstuff (As Leather plates). Before I could use that in store (Gotta think of the kiddies ya'all)

But yea awesome idea mind just good concept try to make the actual reality work and your onto a winner.Black Hawk Down has plenty of inspiration for vehicles plenty of flatbeds with all manner of low yield self propelled nastiness on them.

This idea is win.

Can't wait to see those jeeps if this idea becomes reality.

The main issue with this concept is simply the idea of calling them a terrorist guard.

The keffiyeh style headdress is traditional Arab male costume for centuries. While there are no formal army uniforms that include it (as far as I now) it is often worn by Arab and western forces (e.g. SAS) operating in desert regions for the same reasons you have given it to your guardsmen.

Tallarn Raiders are based on that same Arab/Bedouin styling.

Secondly, terrorism is a range of tactics involving bombing of civilians and such, which are not part of the tactics in 40K.

If you called them rebel guards instead of terrorists I don't think anyone reasonable would have a problem with it.

Kilkrazy wrote:Secondly, terrorism is a range of tactics involving bombing of civilians and such, which are not part of the tactics in 40K.

-Cough- If you say so. -Twiddles my thumbs at the Virus Bombs and Cyclonic Torpedoes in the bomb bay-

Instead of having them be hunted by SM and GK, just have them being chased out by PDF. Instead of inventing an anti-marine gun, have your space AK be the local variant of autogun. Instead of being "terrorist guard" can't they just be renegades? Much of what is done in 40k could be considered horrendous by modern standards, there is no need to say that your guard are terrorists.

Kilkrazy wrote:Secondly, terrorism is a range of tactics involving bombing of civilians and such, which are not part of the tactics in 40K.

Hmmmm Chaos Terminators teleporting into cathedrals full of congregations and gunning down the said masses.,

Night Lords legion driving entire populations to suicide.

Yes real civvie friendly lol

On the tabletop.

Furthermore, terrorism as described in the original topic clearly refers to current day events in the middle east.

If you look at 40K it is a fascist enough game already without introducing even more controversial elements.

Thank you for your help. I tweaked the fluff and renamed the post.

Sounds like an idea my friends and I had for a board at GD. A 3 way battle, consisting of Taliban mock-ups, Nazi mock-ups, and KKK mock-ups. Call it the "Offensive Table". Just hope we dont run into an african-jewish-iraqi war veteran. THAT'S an awkward conversation...

AJV - *blink blink*

Me - "So..."

AJV - "Seriously?!?!?!?!"

Me - "(shamefully) Sorry... "

AJV - "Ugh."

Me - "Wanna play then?... Or... not?"

I don't see what his problem would be.

Two of the three are going to get killed.

I don't find the idea offensive, I just don't think it's particularly clever or original. After all, GW already makes Tallarns. Also, "terrorist guard" would seem awfuly similiar to "traitor guard", who could (but generally don't) resemble arabs (or terrorists, if it's how you choose to depict them). The 41st millenia has a sort of character and style reminiscent of many time periods, yet also has it's own style, and I just don't see where non-tallarn "terrorist guard" fit in any better than would "Somali pirate" guard, or "Steroid useing athlete" guard or "corrupt politician" guard. Just because something is in the media, dosn't neccessarily mean it translates into WH40k, imho. That being said, I have to get back to working on tiny greenstuff briefcases for my "Wall street stock broker" themed guard army, they are especialy cool because they cost 50% less than this month last year, the downside is, when they lose a battle, they throw themselves out of windows...

gil gerard wrote:"Steroid useing athlete" guard

oh hai

gil gerard wrote:That being said, I have to get back to working on tiny greenstuff briefcases for my "Wall street stock broker" themed guard army, they are especialy cool because they cost 50% less than this month last year, the downside is, when they lose a battle, they throw themselves out of windows...

I lol'd

Hello Kitty Space marines are more offensive then terrorist theme guard. Have you seen those... they should have melted them down for musket balls to shoot the person who made them.

There's nothing offensive about terrorist guards lol. Geez. Some people are way too narrow minded - ever thought how offensive 'normal' soldiers are to some people? And let's not even get into the debate of whether terrorists are 'proper' soldiers or not, we all know that's just outdated and misinformed.




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Back to your army original poster! Let's get this project off the floor.

First your fluff needs a little work;

"There they founded the religion Dahij, a religion that went against many of the ways of humans."

Lines like that need working. Many players should know that the Imperium is not the place to be (at least I don't want to live there). So what is Dahij in relation to the Imperial Church (aka Ecclesiarchy and the Ministorum)? It can't possibly be that 'it went against the many ways of the humans' because the Imperium itself practices a list of acts that we today would say goes against 'ways of humans'.

If you're keen to produce an army based on fundamental Islam then maybe you should borrow from their messages.

On the other hand if you don't want to be 'political' then it would probably better if the Dahij were just 'seen' as a separatist 'cult' in the eyes of the Imperium - although they still fervently believe in the Emperor. So it's just the usual story of how a small sectarian group is targeted out by the orthodox government.

I just find it awkward and potentially dangerous for the project if the Dahij were - against humanity; when the Imperium, the last defenders of humanity have questionable record of treating their own people.

More importantly it's not as if the Imperialists actually say that they have a certain 'human' approach to things. Yes they are the defenders of humanity, but they are also a theocracy based on a religious view on humanity. If the Dahij rises, then it is just another religious view on humanity; so the conflict is between different religions - making the difference in how each group treats humans secondary. But as with pseudo-science meets real science in seeing whether lasguns are capable of penetrating armour or not; so do political theory fall into the flaws of comparing 'our' views with 'their views' in the 41st (42nd) millennium...

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K40K!!! I love it! although I wonder if Russians use 'k' to mean a thousand in their language.

It would be harder to mass produce a gun that is in real life mass produced lol. And I presume you know about the lasgun being the AK47 of the 41st millennium? It might be easier just to switch the barrels to look like the AK47; find a quick and cheap method of getting sickle magazines - not using green stuff though. That's hard I think.

There are sickle pattern magazines from bolters and some catachan lasrifles. I think. And plasticard is your easiest option I think. Draw out tonnes of them on a sheet of plasticard (say... 2-3mm thick?), get them cut ... and you have tonnes to spare.

Oh, and like real terrorists and fictional 'terrorists' in the CoD series it would be cool if some of them had lasrifles and other 'standard' guns.

Unless you want to deck them out like a Middle Eastern Army... but that wouldn't really be a terrorist guard would it?

I can't believe this gak gets to 2 pages without a picture to comment on and people are putting great work out there in this forum without people bothering to comment on it.

fething hyperbole, can someone bring back the nazi ork guy please?

dracomere wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:(As long as you don't have them flying a Valkyrie into a Hive Spire or something.)

I think the fluff could use some tweaking, though.

I take offense to that, but yes the fluff needs tweaking.

You're making an army of Terrorist figures, and what they do in real life offends you? What's next, we should kill babies but invest in the environment? Firebomb a man's car because he tests on animals? Your priorities amaze me. You'd think that after enjoying the trailers of CoD4:2 you'd be compelled to make a SAS or Force Recon battle group. Why terrorists? Why turbans? They don't all wear turbans, and all those who have a skin color different than ours with bushy, full black beards aren't wearing a few kilos of plastic explosive. And as Anticitizen said, figures representing real-life individuals who may be responsible for additional graves at Arlington probably won't be received gracefully by some.

Rico...


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FrantzFanon wrote:There's nothing offensive about terrorist guards lol. Geez. Some people are way too narrow minded - ever thought how offensive 'normal' soldiers are to some people? And let's not even get into the debate of whether terrorists are 'proper' soldiers or not, we all know that's just outdated and misinformed.

Eight soldiers died in Afghanistan recently. Roughly three thousand people died on September 11. Madrid's been bombed, London's been bombed, would you like me to go on?

Now, let's move on to intuitive thinking. In a complete sentence, concisely explain who has been responsible for said actions; I am looking for the name derived from their methods.

This all from perspective. That's all it comes down to. Radical Islamists are raised to think that the West as a whole and anyone who is not Islamic, especially Christians, should be killed. They hate Marines, they hate the Army, they hate the pilots flying the B-52s that drop very large bombs on their fellows, they hate the small squads on the ground pointing lasers that guide those very large bombs literally to their door.
On the other hand, Americans as a whole really don't like to see their countrymen in the armed forces dying. (The occasional asshat comes along and complains about that, which is disappointing, but that's another story for another day.) It comes down to perspective. But I will bet a tidy sum of cash the majority of people will not take kindly to facing a Terrorist Guard army.

Rico...

I'm not ganna lie, i was thinking bout doing a tallaran-terrorist IG army to, lol! I was going to make demolition-carring veterans with bombs strapped to them. Its a game, and you can customize your army however you want, so go for it! and fluff? really?.. the galaxy is a fairly big place. sooo, if there are creatures coming out of unreal portals and undead armies rising from million year old tombs, i think theres a place for a terrorist army. lol


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I'm not ganna lie, i was thinking bout doing a tallaran-terrorist IG army to, lol! I was going to make demolition-carring veterans with bombs strapped to them. Its a game, and you can customize your army however you want, so go for it! and fluff? really?.. the galaxy is a fairly big place. sooo, if there are creatures coming out of unreal portals and undead armies rising from million year old tombs, i think theres a place for a terrorist army. lol