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The scientific community has a similar problem defining heavy metal.

Wikipedia wrote:A heavy metal is a member of an ill-defined subset of elements that exhibit metallic properties, which would mainly include the transition metals, some metalloids, lanthanoids, and actinides. Many different definitions have been proposed—some based on density, some on atomic number or atomic weight, and some on chemical properties or toxicity. The term heavy metal has been called "meaningless and misleading" in an IUPAC technical report due to the contradictory definitions and its lack of a "coherent scientific basis".

I'm with Lemmy - it's just Rock&Roll. I likes me some Motorhead, but also some Dream Theater, and some Social Distortion.

"Metal" for me is anything heavy sounding with distortion on the guitars. From there it branches out into different types because people feel the need to label things, but it's all metal to me. For me, disturbed is metal, and so is bolt thrower and so is cradle of filth and so is black sabbath. even though they have different sounding music, they're still all "metal".

Unfortunately, the countless pointless sub genres, the petty elitism of many metal fans and automatic hatred of any act that gains any kind of recognition outside of the metal ‘scene’ pretty much killed metal for me quite some time ago. Go onto any metal forum and the whole community seems to be engaged in a permanent pissing contest regarding who can be the most ‘metal’.

I still enjoy some metal bands, but I have no time for the scene anymore, partly because I got sick of having to justify my liking of almost any band to random strangers.

LuciusAR wrote:Unfortunately, the countless pointless sub genres, the petty elitism of many metal fans and automatic hatred of any act that gains any kind of recognition outside of the metal ‘scene’ pretty much killed metal for me quite some time ago. Go onto any metal forum and the whole community seems to be engaged in a permanent pissing contest regarding who can be the most ‘metal’.

I still enjoy some metal bands, but I have no time for the scene anymore, partly because I got sick of having to justify my liking of almost any band to random strangers.

I have to agree it seems all people do now is have to justify what bands they listen to take for example the still ongoing Metallica vs Megadeth thing, this has been ongoing for over 25yrs! fans of each band still fight against each other rather than stand together and support the scene, and again back in the early 90's the whole Guns N Roses vs Metallica I got so much stick for meing a Guns fan from the Metallica fans, it's so petty and pointless

dietrich wrote:I have no use of your trivial designations. I have two designations that I use for all music. Stuff that I Like. Stuff that I Don't Like.

Some of what you call "metal", I do like. Motorhead. Old Sabbath.

Out of curiousity, is AC/DC or original Van Halen considered 'metal'? I've seen both groups listed as metal and both discounted as not being metal enough.

No hard rock for both.

Sunn 0))) are awesome when one is tripping, or so I have been told. However, the old addages of "oh, it's just noise" or "there's nothing to that" are woefully ill-equipped to describe what Sunn 0))) actually sound like.

The recent 'Domkirke' Vinyl in Bergen, Norway for example contains the song "Why Dost They Hide Thyself In Cloud?" and is perhaps one fo the most poignant and beautifal pieces of music I have ever heard. Along with the rather wonderful "Altar" (a wonderful split ep they did with Boris) and their more recent "Monoliths..." album, Sunn 0))) are capable of great depth and subtelty.

It doesn't bother me that other people don't get it, just like to inform folks ^^

In chemistry, a metal is an element, compound, or alloy characterized by high electrical conductivity. In a metal, atoms readily lose electrons to form positive ions (cations); those ions are surrounded by delocalized electrons, which are responsible for the conductivity. The solid thus produced is held by electrostatic interactions between the ions and the electron cloud, which are called metallic bonds.

Metals on the Period Table has atomic number of 3, 4, 11 - 13, 19-31, 37-50, 55-83. Above that they are radioactive.

all the bands listed in the video dould definitely be classed as metal

Frazzled wrote:

dietrich wrote:I have no use of your trivial designations. I have two designations that I use for all music. Stuff that I Like. Stuff that I Don't Like.

Some of what you call "metal", I do like. Motorhead. Old Sabbath.

Out of curiousity, is AC/DC or original Van Halen considered 'metal'? I've seen both groups listed as metal and both discounted as not being metal enough.

No hard rock for both.

Depending on the 'era' I would go so far as to say that Halen was Glam Rock, while AC/DC has always been, and always will be, 'High Voltage Rock and Roll'.

Metal is awesomeness deepfried in win and the tears of people who like pop/rap.
Thus this awesome creation was forged by useing guitars and drumming and vocals about sex,satan,revenege fantasises,drugs,Vikings.

C-C-C yeah!!!!!!!!!!!1

A big part of it comes down to where you hear it. Very rarely will a "mainstream" band be considered as metal as they could be because everyone wants to be part of an exclusive club. Dream Theater owns your soul regardless.

Lordhat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

dietrich wrote:I have no use of your trivial designations. I have two designations that I use for all music. Stuff that I Like. Stuff that I Don't Like.

Some of what you call "metal", I do like. Motorhead. Old Sabbath.

Out of curiousity, is AC/DC or original Van Halen considered 'metal'? I've seen both groups listed as metal and both discounted as not being metal enough.

No hard rock for both.

Depending on the 'era' I would go so far as to say that Halen was Glam Rock, while AC/DC has always been, and always will be, 'High Voltage Rock and Roll'.

Van Halen-Glam Rock?
BLASPHEMER! SINNER!!!

Frazzled wrote:

Oshunai wrote:

Wolfgang wrote:This question could open up a can of worms since there are many forms of Metal for example -

Nu Metal - Linkin Park, Disturbed,Stained,Slipknot
Thrash Metal - Slayer,Metallica,Megadeth, Anthrax
Heavy Metal - Iron Maiden,Diamond Head,Judas Priest
Death Metal - Dimmu Borgir and Cradle Of Filth

There are probably even more variations out there!

Adding...

Progressive Metal - Dream Theater, Symphony X, Ayreon
Power Metal - Hammerfall, Sonata Arctica, Nightwish, Blind Guardian
Folk Metal - Ensiferum, Equilibrium, Turisas
Black Metal - Dimmu Borgir (more commercial but still...), Satyricon, Cradle of Filth, Immortal, Emperor
Melodic Death Metal - In Flames, Children of Bodom, Amon Amarth (partialy viking)
Heavy Metal - Manowar
Gothic Metal - Old Within Temptation, Old Cradle of Filth
Metalcore - Avenged Sevenfold (arguably), Bullet For My Valentine, Sonic Syndicate etc
Death Metal - Old In Flames, Bolt Thrower
Cello Metal - Apocalyptica, Rasputina

The list (and debates of what goes where) will continue for all time!

What no speed metal? No Danzig? No Alice Cooper? Sweet children, they know not what they do.

THIS is metal


THIS is a weiner dog

*bows* You win the thread Frazzled, couldn't have said it better if I were a british english teacher.

Necros wrote:"Metal" for me is anything heavy sounding with distortion on the guitars. From there it branches out into different types because people feel the need to label things, but it's all metal to me. For me, disturbed is metal, and so is bolt thrower and so is cradle of filth and so is black sabbath. even though they have different sounding music, they're still all "metal".

This is where I stand. +1 to Frazzled winning thread.

Frazzled wrote:

Lordhat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

dietrich wrote:I have no use of your trivial designations. I have two designations that I use for all music. Stuff that I Like. Stuff that I Don't Like.

Some of what you call "metal", I do like. Motorhead. Old Sabbath.

Out of curiousity, is AC/DC or original Van Halen considered 'metal'? I've seen both groups listed as metal and both discounted as not being metal enough.

No hard rock for both.

Depending on the 'era' I would go so far as to say that Halen was Glam Rock, while AC/DC has always been, and always will be, 'High Voltage Rock and Roll'.

BLASPHEMER!

This reminds me... do we consider Ministry to be metal? Or is it just Industrial?

Metal is Lemmy jamming on his guitar, looking into the sky.
Metal is Iron Maiden bringing Eddie out on stage.
Metal is Judas Priest decked out in leather.
Metal is Metallica playing "Enter sandman".
Metal is life, and life is metal.

Without metal, I am nothing.

And for that matter, without rock and roll, I am nothing.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Metal is Lemmy jamming on his guitar, looking into the sky.
Metal is Iron Maiden bringing Eddie out on stage.
Metal is Judas Priest decked out in leather.
Metal is Metallica playing "Enter sandman".
Metal is life, and life is metal.

Without metal, I am nothing.

And for that matter, without rock and roll, I am nothing.

well put, I almost want to tattoo that on me.

Lordhat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Lordhat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

dietrich wrote:I have no use of your trivial designations. I have two designations that I use for all music. Stuff that I Like. Stuff that I Don't Like.

Some of what you call "metal", I do like. Motorhead. Old Sabbath.

Out of curiousity, is AC/DC or original Van Halen considered 'metal'? I've seen both groups listed as metal and both discounted as not being metal enough.

No hard rock for both.

Depending on the 'era' I would go so far as to say that Halen was Glam Rock, while AC/DC has always been, and always will be, 'High Voltage Rock and Roll'.

BLASPHEMER!

This reminds me... do we consider Ministry to be metal? Or is it just Industrial?

I've not heard of them, but I am older than dirt.

Frazzled wrote:I've not heard of them, but I am older than dirt.

And here I was thinking you were older than old. Oh well.

Lets just say I distinctly remember somebody saying let there be light and everything got real bright.

Norwulf wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Metal is Lemmy jamming on his guitar, looking into the sky.
Metal is Iron Maiden bringing Eddie out on stage.
Metal is Judas Priest decked out in leather.
Metal is Metallica playing "Enter sandman".
Metal is life, and life is metal.

Without metal, I am nothing.

And for that matter, without rock and roll, I am nothing.

well put, I almost want to tattoo that on me.

That'd be pretty awesome.

And I started to wonder, where did the "Sex, Drugs and Rock n Roll" saying come from?

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:

Norwulf wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Metal is Lemmy jamming on his guitar, looking into the sky.
Metal is Iron Maiden bringing Eddie out on stage.
Metal is Judas Priest decked out in leather.
Metal is Metallica playing "Enter sandman".
Metal is life, and life is metal.

Without metal, I am nothing.

And for that matter, without rock and roll, I am nothing.

well put, I almost want to tattoo that on me.

That'd be pretty awesome.

And I started to wonder, where did the "Sex, Drugs and Rock n Roll" saying come from?

Moses. Gak he was a party boy.

I love daemon metal. All members of the band must be possesssed by evil daemons whenever they play music.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:I love daemon metal. All members of the band must be possesssed by evil daemons whenever they play music.

G

WTF?! are you serious? Somebody hand me my NFW and my grimoire of ture names....

It's just hte Internet... Plus Gey Knights always get powned by daemons.

G


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Necros wrote:"Metal" for me is anything heavy sounding with distortion on the guitars. From there it branches out into different types because people feel the need to label things, but it's all metal to me. For me, disturbed is metal, and so is bolt thrower and so is cradle of filth and so is black sabbath. even though they have different sounding music, they're still all "metal".

it has been scientifically proven that heavy metals are elements that will eventually collaspe upon themselves can given rise to singularities. This property can be found in the elements that reside in the core of black holes. These singularities open portals to parallel universes. It might sound crazy but then again it has also been proven that the subatomic particle known as the Tacychtron travels faster than the speed of light and actually moves backwards in time. I love quantum mechanics.

G

True, but they get pwned with style! Besides that'll end when they release the new DH codex in 2092.

They are releasing the Dark Eldar one in 3005.

Another good reason for the use of time travel!

G

Shadowbrand wrote:They are releasing the Dark Eldar one in 3005.

Sounds like you got some inside information Shadowbrand. Do you know when the new BT are coming out? 'cuz that last prediction sounded pretty accurate

This is my simple opinion on the "what IS metal" question.
I've been asked in the past "what is punk" and answerd by saying it encomposess alot of varying styles,and honestly no one style can be labled as "punk".
Are the Ramones punk...yup.
Are the Dead Kennedys punk...yup.
Is Social Distortion punk...yup.
How bout the Misfits..yup.
and The Clash...yup.
Do they sound the same...nope.
And the same can be said for Metal
Is Hatebreed metal...yup
Is Judas Priest...you better belive it.
How bout Dimmu Borgir...sure is.
Is Iron Maiden..of course
How bout MotorHead...so metal they kill your lawn.
Do they sound the same....nope.
Basicly what I'm getting at is "Metal" is an all encomposing term,IMO,to describe a particular varity of music,some good,some not so good,all of it anoys the nieghbors.