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Yes that sounds like a great idea... if you will pay for half of the cost to buy and ship it to South Africa.

this is a terrible idea and the rule can be use in tournaments so not only make my army that i have be loving collated for donkeys of year imposable to play but even more imposable to collated.

Seriously Kid_Kyoto why do you hate Dark Eldar so much? Did a Dark Elder Player beat you as a child?

Not tourny legal! That's why!

robertsjf wrote :
Not tourny legal! That's why!

i think you have misunderstood me. Forgeworld rules are not allowed in South African tournaments thus if DE is made by forgeworld you will kill the race completely in my country

Being made by is not the same as "rules by".. South African rules actually prohibit specific models? Thats a bit silly considering models are fairly irrelevant to how the overall game plays

I've been pretty clear what I think the problems with the Elfs Who Are Dark and Also In Space are.

1 - They're a xerox of a xerox. Dark Elfs are Elfs who are Dark. Eldars are Elfs in Space. Dark Eldars are Elfs who are Dark and Also in Space. About as original and welcome as Chaos Squats, Light Beastmen in Space or Noble Fantasy Tyranids.

2 - They're a commerical failure. Despite being in the 3rd box they sold so poorly GW pulled them from stores. Something they have not done with any other army including SoB.

3 - Even their fans say the DE need new fluff, new models, a new overall design and new rules. So what exactly is worth saving? The logo? The best anyone can say is 'they have potential'. Well so do the Pan Fo.

4 - After more than 5 years of promises GW has not found a way to tap this potential, which implies there might not be as much potential as people believe.

5 - Sculptor time is limited. Artists' time is limited. Writers time is limited. Release slots are limited. Shelf space is limited. Money is limited. I would prefer all of these limited resources be spent on revising a successful army like the Inquisition, building on GW's established fluff with Lost and Damned or doing something brand new.

6 - GW's target audience of tweens to teens means they cannot give the concept of S&M freak slavers and torturers the treatment it deserves. So you'll always end up with a watered down version.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:6 - GW's target audience of tweens to teens means they cannot give the concept of S&M freak slavers and torturers the treatment it deserves. So you'll always end up with a watered down version.

It's not just "tweens to teens" that have problems with hardcore concepts.

It's pretty clear that GW gaming is about "adult flavor" (e.g. an occasional naughty nipple), not "actual adult content" (e.g. full-frontal genitalia).

It is what it is.

Whatsamatta JHDD? Afraid of a little Dark Eldar Dong on the board?

And it would be little, those minis are like, an inch and a half tall.

HIYOOOOOOOOO~! Play me off keyboard cat!

On a 28mm DE model, we're talking about 2 or 3 mm? No, my manhood won't be threatened by that. Heck, a mouse or hamster wouldn't be threatened by that.

But other posters have gotten wound up over Slanneshi Defilers with phallic Battlecannon.

Which is kind of wierd, because that battlecannon probably isn't more than an inch long.

Of course, what's really wierd is that somebody went through the effort of carefully sculpting a one-inch schlong for their Defiler.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Of course, what's really wierd is that somebody went through the effort of carefully sculpting a one-inch schlong for their Defiler.

Letting FW handle the ruleset is silly, no tourneys I've ever been to allow FW rules (and 2/3s of the DE players I know are tourney gamers[working on that])

Had they been designed by Jes (Hallowed be his name) Goodwin to start with, they would not have been an also-ran army.

QFT

@Kingcracker: You speak the most sense ive heard all day methinks. FW is a 'luxury supplier'. Basing an entire army off it is just cruel (ironic for DE but hey).

The niche that DE fill, yes has potential, and no hasn't been given justice.
My thought, such as it is, is that the fluff should be set and defined and they go from there.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:With the latest news from GD Italy we hear that the DE are not coming out until till late 2010 at the soonest.

As you might guess this does not exactly break my heart.

But before we have the traditional arguments about the merits of DE vs Squats or Lost and Damned or Chaos Legions or even the Pan Fo I want to toss out a new idea.

Let Forgeworld have them!

With the Death Corps, Estonian Drop Troops and the Chaos Renegades FW has shown they can do a whole army with infantry and vehicles. They've shown that these niche armies can sell when given the royal treatment.

So why not rebuild the DE base with some FW DE models, throw them into the next IA book and see what happens. Surely that would be better than constantly promising them and then yanking them away.

And it would let GW focus on L&D which are 28x cooler anyway...

Dark eldar are a traditional tournament army and many DE players play tournaments due to army speed and odd tactics that they can bring. Giving them to forgeworld prevents them from being a tournament army. Terrible idea, this would bother a lot of people. I'd love to see forge world models. I don't even really care if GW comes out with new models as coverting fantasy models isn't that hard anyway and i think the raider models are just fine. As far as codex goes it needs to be official though.

Everyone seems convinced this is an all or nothing deal. FW gets the DE and there after GW releases nothing for them.... ever. Its a very odd prespective considering how many FW models have ended up in general armies of late, new Dreads, new landraiders, drop pods, valkries. For to long the DE have been a perpetual also ran which would have been better served as a few pages of text in the core Eldar codex. GW's "Limited" time, money, and artistic tallent has never really been put to the task of making them a unique army. On the other hand FW's "Limited" time, money, and artistic tallent has consistantly proven that all they do well is "Unique." Stuff that needs consistance like rules and mass market products just isn't forgeworld material. I see no reason why FW shouldn't be given the option to weigh in on the models and backstory for this ground up DE revamp. Let the FW stuff float out there as options to hype the perspective relaunch. hell a limited run of forgeworld DE raiders would be great build up for a codex and battleforce launch party. and if giving the intellectual property to FW does mean an end to the product line at least the stagnation ends and DE players won't just die out but be nicotine patched onto better supported armies. And besides I think giving it to FW would mean we could all finally see wraithlord bondage and that is always worth it.